R9 CCMFC vs MCFC

[sydmariner]

With the amount of chances we had in the 1st 20 mins I'm supprised that we didn't score @ least 2 but Sorensen did very well in goals for $ity also not many people took part in the "throwback Thursday"

 

[Forum Phoenix]

Wonbats right, different game if Roy puts us two up, which he should have. But would we have gone on to win even then? Our performances suggest not.

I like Walmsley a lot, and his vision, but there's just no way around it, we very clearly lack enough quality, experience and depth in the squad.
Yes there is long term potential in possibly many of our young players, Austin, Liam Rose and Posc in particular continue to impress me, and we will likely continue to play some patches of great football.
But we are still very likely to go on losing, regardless of whether we change coaches or formation, because in every game the quality of other teams key players is shining through. A spine, of Fornaroli, Mooy, Paartalu, Kisnorbo... We simply can't match that over ninety minutes.
Last week it was, Topor Stanley, Nichols, Castelen etc.. you can do it with almost every other side... With Monty and Fab back, our balance is considerably better, but regardless, in my opinion we're still short 3 quality players just in our spine for mine, and at least five of 6 across the squad.
It means we leak goals when we shouldn't and squander our opportunities.

Charlesworth wants to break even, and I can appreciate that. We all know Mossball was a disaster, and he's right, us fans don't want to watch that. But you obviously still need to win some games, and to be frank, to do that, the most critical thing is you have to make sure you have squad which is capable of that. The entertaining/attacking football ideal has proven it's worth, as we've seen a greater degree of patience on these boards than we've ever seen before for a losing streak like this. But Middy and others are right, this is a football club, and you can now feel it's been pushed as far as it can.
Without a turn around now, things will only get worse from here...but I'm not sure we can with this squad? At the least at this time. Sorry to all the young lads. I really am. But if by Money ball what they actually meant was we will continue to recruit for as little as possible from the state and youth leagues... that's pretty concerning. Because it's not realistic to expect to uncover rough and over looked diamonds (state league) and talented rookies (youth league) to fill a whole squad, they are only a part of money ball. A huge part is the proven pros currently down on their luck for whatever reason.

Really we have always been Money ball... Mile, Matty Simon, Amini, Rogic, Ryan...most of our best players fit the bill to some degree. Reddy is a classic case, a talented player who was shit out of luck because he had issues so we got one of the best keepers in the league cheap and managed to get him to play nice for awhile. Fabio was being undervalued by AU. Roy good pedigree, decent age, had some weird issues and we picked him up, but tonight was a very poor night at the office for a striker. SFC and MVFC may get to buy whichever players have just had their best season, but we never do.
We live with that, but in truth watching our side and our subs tonight, we've never looked so penny pinched as a squad to me.

While City have players like James Brown and David Williams on the bench, our first sub is a player who was promoted from youth for a coupe of games last year and was then out injured for the rest of the year.
our second sub (and without talking ill of him because I hope he's the next Mile) is a defender that we just picked up from the state league 5 days ago. Our third sub, a player promoted from the youth last year for a few games.

Really, either Walmsley and Hutch are going to have to pull off a miracle, or something needs to change. Preferably the elasticity of Mister Charlesworth's purse strings. If he won't do it our love for this club. Which would be the ideal. Then it's getting time to protect his investment regardless.

 

[Forum Phoenix]

oh... and if AU get a win this weekend and Perth can win one on either of their next two, we go bottom.

 

[Atomic]

Good thing I left early & missed our penalty & their 5th goal also well done to YA for the boycott & carpark banner. As for the game

Atomic.....was he there at all???

I doubt it, but people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones (I'll explain that to you later, syd... using hand puppets). I've only been to one of our first five home games. Frustrating! But by the sounds of things, I didn't miss much last night.

 

[Blackadder]

With the squad we have atm, unless by some miracle MC opens the Purse strings in the next transfer window can't see the Mariners avoiding the Spoon.

 

[Luca Brasi]

Agree with all of the post from Forum Phoenix.
I was glad I went to the pre game and heard TW, he is very engaging and astute. No use calling for TW out because nobody could do much more with the squad we have this season.
Moss could have lost that game by less but we all would have gone home just as demoralized.
TW said that we spend the absolute salary cap floor, no marquees, no contracted youth league players and our turnover is $7m compared to City's $20m. The majority of the players are young and inexperienced and they are going to make mistakes - we sure saw that tonight. They dont have the experience of Zwanny, Sterj, Hutch, McBreen around them during the game. They will start winning however that may not be until the third round of games this season.
It is hard to be a fan when your team is not competitive, I dont doubt the commitment of the folk on this forum but what will happen to all the FWF's, those that crowded Kibble Park and Mann st when we won the championship? Given the fragile football culture on the coast, can the CCM prevail through another shit season or more?
Someone posted before: tight owner = no $ = poor squad = lose games = no crowds = more no $ = tight owner selling asset.
This is the doomsday scenario which I really really hope does not gain momentum.
Now is the time the club really needs its fans.
COYY!

 

[yorkshireman]

Can't see many positives from last night except maybe Austin down the left. Roy should have finished the first chance but Sorenson did well for the others. My main disappointment was Caceres AGAIN, he clearly isnt an attacking mid as his movement, distribution, desire and positioning is VERY poor.

Slight aside guys but I seem to have been blocked from making comments on Mariners Facebook posts as of last night? I wanted to reply to a scathing comment last night but have no option to comment. Any ideas?
Thanks

 

[shipwreck]

Kinda sucks doesn't it.

Worst part is we are starting to prove Reddy and Bosnich right

 

[localpom]

Hard to watch. I feel sorry for TW and the players who are doing their best but as lots of others have said we are clearly short on quality, experience and depth in the squad. If we can put together our full team with Monty, Fab and all we are competive, but take a few out and we will always struggle. The positive is that i have no doubt the majority of the young players will become very good, but it will not be this season. Tony will need to pick the troops up and get everyone firing for the Perth game. If we can sang a win there and Monty and Fab stay fit then maybe something can be salvaged from this season. COYY!

 

[BrisRecky]

I can see TW theory, and its a pretty good one BUT the Owner needs to lash out some coin and get some well experienced defence to give the younguns some guidance and support...Royo should of had a couple mind the the city keeper was on song...I dunno...I didn't expect a lot this year given that my tatts are older than the guys in the team...BUT an occasionally win would be good

 

[sydmariner]

I doubt it, but people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones (I'll explain that to you later, syd... using hand puppets). I've only been to one of our first five home games. Frustrating! But by the sounds of things, I didn't miss much last night.

You didn't miss much not sure about in the Kendall which was where ya was

 

[soccer mad]

It almost feels as Charlesworth is deliberately running us into the ground so he can get his north sydney franchise .The gap between us and the a league teams has widen dramatically, I feel for the squad but to get out played eachweek is not going to help with their confidence you could see tonight it's hard to lift when you're chasing games each week ,if we are a serious football club then to bring some quality to our game .The way things are going write now this can't be sustainable economics, as a football fan I couldn't stop to admire the quality of Mooy and Novillo and Fornarolli these players put bums on chairs that good economics . As you can see I'm just another frustrated mariner fan who believe our club deserves better.

 

[Bladesman]

Despite the thrashing given the constraints we have I have to say I am still pretty positive about what is on the park. I didn't like loosing but did enjoy some of the football we played.

At the end of the day we are not finishing our chances and silly mistakes were punished. The quality of the finishing was the difference between the teams last night. Roy puts his chances away and 2 - 0 up it is a very different game.

There are a few things though

Caceras - Needs to take at his work rate, also needs to stop trying to push the miracle final ball.

Defenders - We don't seem to do any home work on which is the preferred foot of the opposition players, the amount of times we show them onto their strong side allowing them to shoot or put a move on is scary. Some basic jockeying would also not go a miss rather than diving in, the 2nd and 4th goals we had men beaten very easily.

The bloke I would be looking to get on the coaching staff for a while is Damien Mori, one of the most natural strikers I have ever seen as his positional sense was fantastic, we are putting in plenty of good balls and getting into great positions in attack but we just don't seem to be getting people into the right areas. As few sessions with the forwards and I think he could improve them.

Interesting to see Patrick at the game with Dukey last night, as people have said if we can mend bridges with him he would be a great asset to have.

 

[sydmariner]

We really missed monty last night & TW should've started Sim

 

[Capn Gus Bloodbeard]

I turned off at their 4th goal, and I never do that. I knew it wasn't going to be their last.
I still maintain that unless we find a striker, we'll remain a wooden spoon contender. Our defence and keeping aren't up to the standard either, but if we consistently put some in their net then that's going to control the psychology of the game. We can handle a weak defence if we're winning 4-3 every game, which I think is what Walmsley's vision is. But we don't have anybody who can score 1 goal reliably, let alone 4.

And O'Donovan wasted 4 excellent opportunities, and Austin 1. A grand final contending team scores those opportunities reliable. MV? Would have sunk each one of those.

With each miss by O'Donovan, we became flatter and flatter. You could tell the boys are starting to expect losses, they seemed to think 'here we go again'. Had he sunk even half of those, it would have completely changed the tempo of the game. But we gave up - or to be specific, our back line gave up. The rest of the team kept trying, but the back line lost focus, stopped paying attention, stopped communicating, became flat footed.

We do not have the experience in the back line to keep it to a HAL standard. I know Walmsley came in too late to have enough of an impact upon the recruitment for this season, but I feel these are our biggest issues. It seems like a lot of players had absolute shockers last night. Izzo certainly did. Caceres had a very mixed game.

Austin was brilliant, set up so many amazing balls. While he blew a great goal opportunity, I think he was expecting O'Donovan (I think that was him on the inside of him) to make the effort, so he had no time to prepare.

And the funny thing is, Austin and O'Donovan worked so freaking well together. Brilliant balls set up, O'Donovan got himself into some great positions. It's only the finishing that's a problem - but that's a killer of a problem. I feel like there's no way to actually state how big a problem this is.

And we need results, because Walmsley is losing the support of the fans fast on this. But we won't get results until we do something about our strikers (and, to a lesser extent our defence).

I really think we're as good as we're going to get without some rostering changes.

At least we can't be too angry about the referee on this one - though the AR's were completely inept.....

Austin for MOM.

 

[localpom]

We really missed monty last night & TW should've started Sim

Agree with you on both points Syd...that's a first!

 

[Capn Gus Bloodbeard]

TW said that we spend the absolute salary cap floor,
COYY!

I really appreciate that honesty from him. Problem is, it really shows. So what can be done about this?
Aside from getting rid of the owner and finding somebody who realises that buying a sporting team isn't typically a wise investment

 

[FFC Mariner]

Walmsley making excuses to cover up the fact that he is out of his depth.

Yes we have an owner intent on killing us off but basic errors cost us week after week.

The lie about entertainment has run its course. We are a shit side, badly coached and the spoon beckons

 

[nearlyyellow]

Walmsley making excuses to cover up the fact that he is out of his depth.

Yes we have an owner intent on killing us off but basic errors cost us week after week.

The lie about entertainment has run its course. We are a shit side, badly coached and the spoon beckons

Hmm, not sure you are right:

We are a shit side

We are indisputably the cheapest team in the League
We are, on average, a young, inexperienced side.
We seem to be a badly balanced side, youth vs. experience, in all areas of the park.

badly coached

Nah, too soon to call. You can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear, or something like that. Gotta give the man and his team a bit of time to experiment with the talents we are able to afford, and to then do their stuff. And if after this season if their stuff isn't showing some promise then, and only then, would that comment be debatable, maybe. (imo)

the spoon beckons

Urrkk, Dunno. Maybe. Looks likely at this end of the season. But it's still early days in our big rebuilding, re-skilling season. Naturally I will be very disappointed if we do get the spoon. But hey, as an old NS Bears supporter I'm used to it.

Anyway, no need to get depressed about it. Onward and upward. COYY!

 

[MrCelery]

Let's face it. Anyone putting their hand up to coach the Mariners, with the funds we currently have available, deserves a medal.

The bit that hurts the most is that we have had 9 years of performing well above expectations. So we know it can be done.

Sadly it seems the gulf between the 'elite' clubs and the rest is growing wider, despite the salary cap.

Yet with a injury and suspension free squad and a 10% lift in performance, I still see us being competitive. Without that it looks like being a long road ahead with a wooden kitchen impliment waiting for us.