R9 CCMFC vs MCFC

[Wombat]

Ok
I've watched it on TV and it's nearly as bad as watching it live. Back 4 refuse to mark up and midfield give the ball away constantly.


Isso 3. Didn't make a single save. Trott like.
Roux 3. Pathetic. My friend dubbed him the rover...as it no fixed position. Positionally the worlds worst fullback ( apart from Micky
Neill) since Ian Harte of Leeds.
McGing 6. Still raw but tried hard.
Posco 5.5. Poor game but still put in a good effort. Simple marking errors killed his game.
Rose 5. Poor. Not sure if he passed to feet all game?
Caceras 6. Another weak display. Played one sublime ball to Austin but game the ball away a lot.
Rose 5.5. Gave the ball away every single time he had it but still showed some glimpses of a useful player.
Fitz 5. A couple of quality moments but overall simply rubbish.
Ashcroft 7. Did pretty well to contain Mooy.
Austin 7. Mom
Paddy 5.5....missed some easy changes.

 

[Rowdy]

After 9 rounds it is time for a review. We have played the top 5 teams in 6 games and haven't got a point.

The Review ? Its already been DONE !
( Think it occurred in the 5 mins of extra time)

TW stated after the game,

'We'll be playing with x2 Defensive Midfielders for the rest of the season'

I'm pretty sure Tony didn't think it would happen this early in the season, but it's safe to say that Robbie Williams has been deleted from his playlist & he WONT BE singing it during his trip to training each morning in the car. 'Let Meeeeeeee .....

 

[Forum Phoenix]

Did he really say that Rowdy?

A positive I guess is that this is not just head in the sand approach, there obviously needs to be change, but an extra screener will still not fix the decision making on when to jockey, when to go to ball, and when to track the other runner. This is largely experience. This is why experienced defenders like Dutchy who read games are so invaluable and they also don't compound problems when they occur, they solve them.

At the moment, one bad decision in our marking or tracking is usually compounded by a second bad decision by the player next to him. Not really their fault, in that they're all young and they're often against much better footballers than they've ever played against before. But the number of goals that could have been prevented just by staying tight to your man and tracking runs is depressing, because that's not something that requires a great deal of experience.

An extra body in the middle should help with how often we are letting teams just play straight through the guts of us with in all honesty what are often just a few simple passes, and that will mean less of the critical decisions needing to be made by our defenders. So that's something. But it's obviously not going to help our to be fair active, but ineffective attack.

Is it really just a change in luck, and no new players are required? I haven't given up completely on Roy and Ferreira and Austin I like.

Or do we have a problem that only a couple of proven goal scorers and an AM capable of pulling the strings for ninety minutes can solve?

You can't tell me MVFC is winning trophies because Muscat is the leagues best coach. It's because he's cashed up and rolling in high quality players.

FFC, must be something wrong with my sense of humour as that earlier post the whole forum disagrees with re how shit we are and Walmsley the pretender, made me chuckle for a good minute or two.

Anyway, I played the who would start in another side with my youngest when leaving the match. We settled on Monty and depending on the side possibly Ferriera and for a couple of sides maybe J Rose and Storm with one of Wombats under 6's in his ear. But other than that everyone else barring Austin would struggle to make most teams benches, and too many even the squads.

That might be very different in 3 years. But that's a long time in football.

Anyway, I think Luca nailed it. We're in a rough spot, again, but unlike some other rough spots, at least we have likeable coaches and great communication from the club. So going to try and stay positive for a while longer.

 

[Coach]

I have been a Mariners supporter almost from the beginning. I go to every home game, I have enjoyed this forum until this season, I kept trying not to bite but I have given in to temptation. The negativity is awful guys! I agree with Localpom this is going to be difficult for all the reasons stated above but that is where the supporters should maintain positivity and let the ‘Fans’ please themselves.

You have to love Wombat, he never lets complete ignorance of football structure or strategy get in the way of him giving his opinion. Firstly it was Roux that was the defensive problem, then Neill, then Rose was too slow and Posco making too many mistakes, then Neill again plus of course Izzo wasn’t as good as Reddy, now back to Roux, you get my drift? These guys have been put in an impossible situation, when you play so high, against guys like Castilian and Mooy, and turn possession over so often in the mid field and up front, it is inevitable that YOU WILL GET BURNT, I don’t care how old / good you are. Wombat mentioned that now Neill was benched the defence would improve, exceptional call Wombat, we leaked 5. It’s the structure! If I was them (our young defence) I would be on the next bus out of here before my reputation is completely tarnished. We all want Wilko back, if you were him, in the twilight of your career, would you return to play in a structure that would have you exposed each and every game – not a chance.

So, except we will leak, but, if we stop giving the ball away cheaply and take our chances things will change, I’m just not sure that we have the cattle up front or in the mid field to achieve that, make no mistake that is where the problem resides. I am referring to Austin, O’Donovan, Cas, and Rose Jnr.

Finally I can’t understand the admiration for Austin. I hear he was the MOM. Look at the facts, he provided one fantastic pass, apart from that he crossed 4 times without one landing in the field of play, he dribbled over the by-line, completely missed a pass and performed one successful tackle. Of course he ran miles with the ball without any benefit to the team, it looks sensational but adds little. He has not scored a goal (apart from the penalty), has not provided one goal assist in 8 games. His successful pass completion % would be less than 20%. Couple his with him being a ‘non defender’, and on balance, his impact is negative. The coaching staff know this. I do think he could be better than O’Donovan up front, at least he will get there first and will have one target.

I understand the frustration, I share it. Last year Roux, Posco, Rose Snr, Neill were mostly admired here, they have all not gone backwards, that’s too much of a coincidence, it’s the high risk strategy we are employing!

 

[Capn Gus Bloodbeard]

Austin did more than one pass - he was the hardest worker in the forwards and set up O'Donovan perfectly a number of times. Sure you don't have him confused with Caceres? ;-)

 

[Luca Brasi]

Good post Coach. I dont agree with all the opinions posted but atm i dont think the negativity is all that bad given the situation and compared to other club fan forums i have read in the past (give it another 6 losses). As Inspector Harry Callaghan would say - opinions are like ass holes, everybody has one - and facts have never stopped anybody from posting on a forum. The high line and the inexperience of the backs is one of the problems, the first goal on the break was as a result of Posco? losing the ball in the middle third from a throw in and Roux on the other side being too high up. Citys second was all class. Their 3rd was as a result of McGing losing possession just outside the box. By then it was all over but the back 4 wouldnt be under so much pressure if we converted our chances early, confidence would grow. I think Neill is on the steepest learning curve of the young defenders, but Castellan was red hot when we played WSW. These are all young guys who would not be getting this opportunity at any other club, they will be much better footballers by the end of the season. I would love a dominant play maker in the middle of the park. I think Austin is a bit one dimensional and I dont like it that the wingers dont track back, but he does give us better balance by providing a threat on the left with his pace/touch, in addition to Fabio on the right.

 

[Spacks]

There has to be some versatility in tactics when vsing teams with better quality players, you can't just play the way we are now and not expect to get absolutely destroyed by teams with better players. We can't play attacking football if our strikers can't actually score either. We had plenty of chances that just went begging.

 

[gull]

I have been a Mariners supporter almost from the beginning. I go to every home game, I have enjoyed this forum until this season, I kept trying not to bite but I have given in to temptation. The negativity is awful guys! I agree with Localpom this is going to be difficult for all the reasons stated above but that is where the supporters should maintain positivity and let the ‘Fans’ please themselves.

You have to love Wombat, he never lets complete ignorance of football structure or strategy get in the way of him giving his opinion. Firstly it was Roux that was the defensive problem, then Neill, then Rose was too slow and Posco making too many mistakes, then Neill again plus of course Izzo wasn’t as good as Reddy, now back to Roux, you get my drift? These guys have been put in an impossible situation, when you play so high, against guys like Castilian and Mooy, and turn possession over so often in the mid field and up front, it is inevitable that YOU WILL GET BURNT, I don’t care how old / good you are. Wombat mentioned that now Neill was benched the defence would improve, exceptional call Wombat, we leaked 5. It’s the structure! If I was them (our young defence) I would be on the next bus out of here before my reputation is completely tarnished. We all want Wilko back, if you were him, in the twilight of your career, would you return to play in a structure that would have you exposed each and every game – not a chance.

So, except we will leak, but, if we stop giving the ball away cheaply and take our chances things will change, I’m just not sure that we have the cattle up front or in the mid field to achieve that, make no mistake that is where the problem resides. I am referring to Austin, O’Donovan, Cas, and Rose Jnr.

Finally I can’t understand the admiration for Austin. I hear he was the MOM. Look at the facts, he provided one fantastic pass, apart from that he crossed 4 times without one landing in the field of play, he dribbled over the by-line, completely missed a pass and performed one successful tackle. Of course he ran miles with the ball without any benefit to the team, it looks sensational but adds little. He has not scored a goal (apart from the penalty), has not provided one goal assist in 8 games. His successful pass completion % would be less than 20%. Couple his with him being a ‘non defender’, and on balance, his impact is negative. The coaching staff know this. I do think he could be better than O’Donovan up front, at least he will get there first and will have one target.

I understand the frustration, I share it. Last year Roux, Posco, Rose Snr, Neill were mostly admired here, they have all not gone backwards, that’s too much of a coincidence, it’s the high risk strategy we are employing!

Forum definition: "A meeting or medium where ideas and views on a particular issue can be exchanged. ie we hope these pages act as a forum for debate." Perhaps you weren't aware of this?

You also then decide to post to complain about the negativity, and then post a negative comment yourself? Man you mustn't have been on here much last year I you think this is bad...

In general this year the forum has been great. Lots of opinions, ideas and discussion as per the definition.

 

[adz]

If you think this is bad, maybe have a browse through the Facebook comments.

 

[Rowdy]

Did he really say that Rowdy?

ABSOLUTELY! verbatim.

It was either during the post game show on Foxtel being interviewed by Richard Bayliss, Andy Harper & Dean Heffernan. Or it was during the official HAL post game media conference.

But, Yeah he said it. I heard it and thought his language is becoming more & more contradictory, as to what's actually
happening on the pitch.

"We'll keep continuing with what were trying to achieve" (open- attacking-entertaining football), then the in next breath it's "We'll be playing with 2 defensive mids for the rest of the season".

2 DM's (Hutcho/Monty) was what Arnold introduced for x3 seasons and Moss continued it for another x1.

Maybe he's taking 'Throwback Thursday' quite literally.

I have to go, I've got Noel Spencer on call waiting

 

[Wombat]

I have been a Mariners supporter almost from the beginning. I go to every home game, I have enjoyed this forum until this season, I kept trying not to bite but I have given in to temptation. The negativity is awful guys! I agree with Localpom this is going to be difficult for all the reasons stated above but that is where the supporters should maintain positivity and let the ‘Fans’ please themselves.

You have to love Wombat, he never lets complete ignorance of football structure or strategy get in the way of him giving his opinion. Firstly it was Roux that was the defensive problem, then Neill, then Rose was too slow ROSE HAS NEVER BEEN TOO SLOW? and Posco making too many mistakes, then Neill again plus of course Izzo wasn’t as good as Reddy, now back to Roux, you get my drift?
I AM SIMPLY REPORTING WHAT I SEE IN A GAME. WHEN WE GET FLOGGED 5.1. ITS UNLIKELY TOO MANY PLAYERS ARE GOING TO COME OUT SMELLING OF ROSES. WHEN THEY PLAY WELL THEY GET THE BOUQUETS. WHAT WOULD YOU HAVE ME SAY.......LEAVING PLAYERS UNMARKED IS GOOD FORM? These guys have been put in an impossible situation, when you play so high, against guys like Castilian and Mooy, and turn possession over so often in the mid field and up front, it is inevitable that YOU WILL GET BURNT, I don’t care how old / good you are. Wombat mentioned that now Neill was benched the defence would improve,(IT DID) exceptional call Wombat, we leaked 5. NEILL GOT MUGGED FOR THE 5TH GOAL. It’s the structure! If I was them (our young defence) I would be on the next bus out of here before my reputation is completely tarnished. We all want Wilko back, if you were him, in the twilight of your career, would you return to play in a structure that would have you exposed each and every game – not a chance.

So, except we will leak, but, if we stop giving the ball away cheaply and take our chances things will change, I’m just not sure that we have the cattle up front or in the mid field to achieve that, make no mistake that is where the problem resides. I am referring to Austin, O’Donovan, Cas, and Rose Jnr.

Finally I can’t understand the admiration for Austin. I hear he was the MOM. WHO WAS YOUR MOM??? ONLY AUSTIN & ASCROFT GOT A PASS MARK IN MY BOOK.Look at the facts, he provided one fantastic pass, apart from that he crossed 4 times without one landing in the field of play, he dribbled over the by-line, completely missed a pass and performed one successful tackle. Of course he ran miles with the ball without any benefit to the team, it looks sensational but adds little. He has not scored a goal (apart from the penalty), has not provided one goal assist in 8 games. His successful pass completion % would be less than 20%. Couple his with him being a ‘non defender’, and on balance, his impact is negative. The coaching staff know this. I do think he could be better than O’Donovan up front, at least he will get there first and will have one target.

I understand the frustration, I share it. Last year Roux, Posco, Rose Snr, Neill were mostly admired here, they have all not gone backwards, that’s too much of a coincidence, it’s the high risk strategy we are employing!

ROUX GOT DROPPED LAST YEAR FOR POOR FORM.

I ADMIRE YOU FOR ACTUALLY POSTING RATHER THAN JUST LURKING. KEEP POSTING AND ADD SOME BALANCE IF YOU FEEL ITS NEEDED.

 

[Wombat]

Did he really say that Rowdy?

A positive I guess is that this is not just head in the sand approach, there obviously needs to be change, but an extra screener will still not fix the decision making on when to jockey, when to go to ball, and when to track the other runner. This is largely experience. This is why experienced defenders like Dutchy who read games are so invaluable and they also don't compound problems when they occur, they solve them.

At the moment, one bad decision in our marking or tracking is usually compounded by a second bad decision by the player next to him. Not really their fault, in that they're all young and they're often against much better footballers than they've ever played against before. But the number of goals that could have been prevented just by staying tight to your man and tracking runs is depressing, because that's not something that requires a great deal of experience.

An extra body in the middle should help with how often we are letting teams just play straight through the guts of us with in all honesty what are often just a few simple passes, and that will mean less of the critical decisions needing to be made by our defenders. So that's something. But it's obviously not going to help our to be fair active, but ineffective attack.

Is it really just a change in luck, and no new players are required? I haven't given up completely on Roy and Ferreira and Austin I like.

Or do we have a problem that only a couple of proven goal scorers and an AM capable of pulling the strings for ninety minutes can solve?

You can't tell me MVFC is winning trophies because Muscat is the leagues best coach. It's because he's cashed up and rolling in high quality players.

FFC, must be something wrong with my sense of humour as that earlier post the whole forum disagrees with re how shit we are and Walmsley the pretender, made me chuckle for a good minute or two.

Anyway, I played the who would start in another side with my youngest when leaving the match. We settled on Monty and depending on the side possibly Ferriera and for a couple of sides maybe J Rose and Storm with one of Wombats under 6's in his ear. But other than that everyone else barring Austin would struggle to make most teams benches, and too many even the squads.

That might be very different in 3 years. But that's a long time in football.

Anyway, I think Luca nailed it. We're in a rough spot, again, but unlike some other rough spots, at least we have likeable coaches and great communication from the club. So going to try and stay positive for a while longer.

This hits the nail on the head....

At the moment, one bad decision in our marking or tracking is usually compounded by a second bad decision by the player next to him. Not really their fault, in that they're all young and they're often against much better footballers than they've ever played against before. But the number of goals that could have been prevented just by staying tight to your man and tracking runs is depressing, because that's not something that requires a great deal of experience.

.....well written FP.

 

[Rowdy]

ROUX GOT DROPPED LAST YEAR FOR POOR FORM.

100% correct. It was then that Posco was given his shot at RB and more than performed.

Posco was then pushed into LCB to replace a shite Zac Anderson. Moved back and forth between the 2 position as needed throughout the season.

 

[bikinigirl]

when vsing teams

. dibo! what's going on?

 

[kevrenor]

. dibo! what's going on?

At least it isn't being passed off as poetry.

ps. Dibo is a little otherwise engaged (actually he has moved on from that).

 

[true believer]

Can't wait for next week.

 

[dibo]

At least it isn't being passed off as poetry.

ps. Dibo is a little otherwise engaged (actually he has moved on from that).

At the point you posted this I was with my bride giving our speech!

 

[bikinigirl]

At the point you posted this I was with my bride giving our speech!

. and yet here you are already posting on the forum

. congratulations dibo

. commiserations new mrs dibo

 

[nebakke]

At the point you posted this I was with my bride giving our speech!

Wait... You're saying there are people on here with a life outside the forum and beyond CCM!? What IS THIS!? Is this place even real!? Has everything just been a lie!!?

Congratulations though Dibo May it be a good and joyful life

 

[style_cafe]

At the point you posted this I was with my bride giving our speech!

Dibo, you really need to get your priorities in order mate!!!
ps. Congratulations anyway...

I`ve been away for past few weeks but managed to catch the game from the Fitzroy Hotel in Windsor (great beer & steaks on wed & Thurs $10-)

Although disappointed with the scoreline, I just thought we looked really flat.(short turn around, missing Monty maybe),however,we can`t make excuses.

The money isn`t there, neither is the quality of players at the moment but there is a great deal to be hopeful for.
1. Austin has improved immensely. His speed, footwork & the quality of his crosses are all a lot better than 9 games ago. Add to that the fact that he is a marked player now shows what an improvement he has made.
2. McGing although still raw is coming to grips with the speed of the game. He is reading other teams a lot better & shows that he will emerge as a tough uncompromising defender.
3. Roux has returned to the attacking fullback we loved a few seasons ago. He just needs someone to cover for him when the goes forward, which will come as players mature.
4. Paddy has shown he can score. Once the defence is sorted he can concentrate on getting forward, but while he is using up miles helping in defence he just can`t cover the ground to be on the end of the crosses.
5. Posco has cemented his place in the defence & has shown his controlled aggression

TW just needs to keep tweeking the side to get the best out of the players.

MARINER`s Til I Die!!