R13 - NYE vs Welly - it's time to get a win!

[patjennings]

Looking back on it now I don't think it was a penalty, but looked like it at the time.

I didn't think it was at the time - but am not so sure now. Rose initially was behind the Nix player but his superior speed got him in front. Then, he gets bumped in the side/back and goes down. It is only after that does the Phoenix player gets the ball and Rose gets him. Happy to take it - we have been ripped off so many times this year - including a handball in the area after about 3 1/2 minutes last night.

 

[Pirate Pete]

By the way Fitzy was with Caceres in the car park. They got into a car and drove off. Caceres was driving. It wasn't a great car if it was his and supposedly paid well, as mentioned by his agent.
They did come back, which was when I spoke to them.

Anyone else see Liam Reddy there last night? I'm sure it was him in the car park. Had a truck parked up against the water front side. Having a tailgate party with family.

 

[nebakke]

I didn't think it was at the time - but am not so sure now. Rose initially was behind the Nix player but his superior speed got him in front. Then, he gets bumped in the side/back and goes down. It is only after that does the Phoenix player gets the ball and Rose gets him. Happy to take it - we have been ripped off so many times this year - including a handball in the area after about 3 1/2 minutes last night.

Just rewatched the replay... Can't really make my mind up about the pen... I think the commentators have it wrong - surprise surprise - I think Rosie was entitled to go for that ball, but then so was Muscat... However Rosie's movement starts first, isn't that supposed to be part of the decision? That is to say, once Rose's started going for it Muscat is supposed to take that into consideration on his actions?
Not that he could've 'cos there's now way he could see but still...

Anyway, as you said... it only goes a little way to undoing some of the more shocking calls against us this season, so I don't feel too bad about it

 

[nebakke]

My fault for stating CEO not owner (hey, it was late) - and I'm not too proud to admit that on there either - little disappointed with the response though.
Interesting to see how closely they're following social media though. Actually, good thing that the CEO keeps an eye on things.

I actually took the response to be to the OP not to you mate... The reply was done to the OP by the looks of it at least

 

[Capn Gus Bloodbeard]

. Happy to take it - we have been ripped off so many times this year - including a handball in the area after about 3 1/2 minutes last night.

Fox sports didn't show a useful replay of that - just the long distance view, where you can't see a thing.

Just rewatched the replay... Can't really make my mind up about the pen... I think the commentators have it wrong - surprise surprise - I think Rosie was entitled to go for that ball, but then so was Muscat... However Rosie's movement starts first, isn't that supposed to be part of the decision? That is to say, once Rose's started going for it Muscat is supposed to take that into consideration on his actions?
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Sort of...depends on the situation. If they're both going for the ball and Player A kicks the back of Player B's leg, it's going to be a foul against Player A. A few exceptions though - say, if Player B sort of steps off the ball a bit and puts his foot in a position blocking Player A and gets collected? Then it's a foul against Player A, and I reckon that's what the ref thought he saw. Another common scenario is when Player A comes from behind, sticks his leg in from behind but in the way of the swinging leg, that's often going to be a foul against that player. Hard to explain in text. I just thought it was a fairly straightforward, both going for the ball but coming from a bit further away, Rosie's timing was slightly off so he got the opponent instead. No malice at all, both going for the ball. Lot of WP supporters saying he dived, which is just absurd though.

I actually took the response to be to the OP not to you mate... The reply was done to the OP by the looks of it at least

Only as part of the thread. I think he just didn't hit the 'reply' button. It was definitely a response to myself, but I responded stating I didn't mean to refer to him. He probably won't see it, but it's only fair if I've accused the wrong person.

 

[nebakke]

Sort of...depends on the situation. If they're both going for the ball and Player A kicks the back of Player B's leg, it's going to be a foul against Player A. A few exceptions though - say, if Player B sort of steps off the ball a bit and puts his foot in a position blocking Player A and gets collected? Then it's a foul against Player A, and I reckon that's what the ref thought he saw. Another common scenario is when Player A comes from behind, sticks his leg in from behind but in the way of the swinging leg, that's often going to be a foul against that player. Hard to explain in text. I just thought it was a fairly straightforward, both going for the ball but coming from a bit further away, Rosie's timing was slightly off so he got the opponent instead. No malice at all, both going for the ball. Lot of WP supporters saying he dived, which is just absurd though.

Thanks Cap'n, appreciate it as always... That's sort of what I thought.. Thing is, looking at the replay, Rosie's going for the ball before Muscat, which probably would also be what leads to the ref perceiving it as Muscat trying to block - but that's why I'm not sure whether I think it's a pen or not... As a pen, I think it's unfair to Muscat and I think that's probably where it really lands I guess.
Most definitely NOT a dive though... You can see it in the slow-mo as well... But for whatever reason - even before the incident with Roy - we seem to have a lot of detractors this season, not just based on our style but also on how we play it, so-to-speak.

 

[Capn Gus Bloodbeard]

He might be going for the ball, but he also needs to take into consideration that he's further away and that Muscat is going for the ball first. While I thought it was the wrong decision, we've seen far worse.

And we've always had more detractors than anybody else for no reason at all.

 

[nebakke]

Ray Gatt tweeted:

"Roy O'Donovan will be cited for his head butt in last nights game. He was carded but will be cited under the obvious error rule."

and

Manny Muscat will also be cited for an alleged elbow in the match

So I'm guessing it'll be a while before we see Royo' again...

 

[VicMariner]

Chance for Heff to step up and show what he can do.

 

[nebakke]

Wasn't Bingham actually a forward that's being played as a wing right now as well?
I was pretty impressed with his work ethic yesterday - he seems to present much of the same will to come back and defend that Roy does.

 

[BaysideMariner]

After watching the replay, when the team grew in confidence the communication and passing got better.
My observations:-
-Austin and Ferreria were a real handful.
-Michael Neill looked better in midfield than in defence.
-Heward Belle looked his age at the start of the game but will get better every game.
-Roux was more balanced in attack and defence and it helped the team hold it's shape.
-Roy will get a rest but his pass to Austin was fantastic and we will miss his energy up front.
-Austin needs to do a lot of work on his right foot. If he does he will improve his game immensely.
-Great to see the players enjoying each goal.

 

[FFC Mariner]

Agree. I'd give Bingham a go.

 

[nebakke]

After watching the replay, when the team grew in confidence the communication and passing got better.
My observations:-
-Austin and Ferreria were a real handful.
-Michael Neill looked better in midfield than in defence.
-Heward Belle looked his age at the start of the game but will get better every game.
-Roux was more balanced in attack and defence and it helped the team hold it's shape.
-Roy will get a rest but his pass to Austin was fantastic and we will miss his energy up front.
-Austin needs to do a lot of work on his right foot. If he does he will improve his game immensely.
-Great to see the players enjoying each goal.

Agree wholeheartedly Hits the point of most of what I was going to say about the game itself... It struck me that I actually thought Neill was downright excellent in the midfield... Played to his strengths too I think, he's fast and likes getting forward... He does have some defensive qualities, so he was decent at pulling back as well... To be honest I'd like to see him play some more in that role

And I LOVED the heart with which he celebrated his goal, that alone puts him back in my good books

 

[Ancient Mariner]

Austin needs to back himself more, a couple of times he should have continued his run into the box instead of stopping and waiting for support.

When he makes these long breaks most times no one will keep up and if he takes it into the box anything can happen, maybe even a goal.

 

[Rowdy]

Hutch was pretty fired up before the game in the Kendall.

Perhaps he got the turn around in attitude and performance from the boys with the offer of 5 slabs & a party after the game ............... at Lawrie's place.

 

[Forum Phoenix]

Agree re Austin, it's the decision making that is still challenging him most. Sometime he should have laid it off earlier also. The other thing about dribbling into the box is tackling for defenders becomes harder and higher risk. I wonder how much he's out of legs though sometimes... He gets through a lot of long sprints per game and at the end of some of those runs his legs must be getting heavy and then the finer motor skill stuff really starts to suffer.

Anyway he's doing very well I think.

 

[bikinigirl]

. I think the recent comments on Austin are all related to the fact that I probably have more faith in my right foot than he does in his:

• it is why he is keen to get his cross in before numbers arrive in the middle - he doesn't want to have to cut back on his right
• it is why he is reluctant to shoot and/or push into the box ... because it increases the likelihood he needs to use his right
• it is why his decision making can appear off - because it takes him time to decide how he can get the ball onto his left

. one example yesterday was when he was clear(-ish) the ball was played to him (not in-front of him) and he had to try and work the ball onto his left foot to shoot (too late) whereas another player would have just hit first time with the right ... no wasted time, no wasted thoughts, no real reason to think

 

[Forum Phoenix]

Hutch was pretty fired up before the game in the Kendall.

Loved what Hutch said about players who play for the badge not the name on the back. Gee that showed last night.

After Monty's comments and MC apparently going to dig in and help out. Thinking we may yet just find the light at the end of this tunnel.

Realised I never gave a rating to TW.

10.

Must have been a fair few restless nights and soul searching of late. He stood up, smiled, made the brave changes required, even though all the football experts were saying he's crazy blah blah and got the performance needed.

Love to go on a run now, but Roy will be a big loss in the coming games. Can try Bingham and Heff, I'm sure we will, but personally I'm not feeling too optimistic. Our best option might be to deploy Fab and bring in someone else to the right wing. Less than ideal though.

 

[nebakke]

Whoop there it is...

Muscat elbowing Roy before the head-butt incident.

https://mobile.twitter.com/Outside90/status/682497813435920386/video/1

 

[Forum Phoenix]

. I think the recent comments on Austin are all related to the fact that I probably have more faith in my right foot than he does in his:

• it is why he is keen to get his cross in before numbers arrive in the middle - he doesn't want to have to cut back on his right
• it is why he is reluctant to shoot and/or push into the box ... because it increases the likelihood he needs to use his right
• it is why his decision making can appear off - because it takes him time to decide how he can get the ball onto his left

. one example yesterday was when he was clear(-ish) the ball was played to him (not in-front of him) and he had to try and work the ball onto his left foot to shoot (too late) whereas another player would have just hit first time with the right ... no wasted time, no wasted thoughts, no real reason to think

Yeah this makes a lot of sense. Very Leckie like. Though personally I think he controls the ball better at high speeds than Leckie used to. When Leckie switches sides you see him forced to cross with the outside of his left, but then he gets to cut back onto his left to shoot.