R13 - NYE vs Welly - it's time to get a win!

[Forum Phoenix]

Whoop there it is...

Muscat elbowing Roy before the head-butt incident.

https://mobile.twitter.com/Outside90/status/682497813435920386/video/1

That's the one that hit. The second one he threw which was more malicious and intentional missed. Doesn't make the offence any less because his aim is shit imo.

 

[nebakke]

That's the one that hit. The second one he threw which was more malicious and intentional missed. Doesn't make the offence any less because his aim is shit imo.

Heh - well I think, by the look of his facial expression, the follow-up there, was pretty clearly intentional... The arm across isn't much, it's the elbow that follows...

 

[rbakersmith]

Roy O'Donovan says victim of his A-League headbutt 'deserves an Oscar'

• Central Coast Mariners striker says Manny Muscat deserves an Oscar
• FFA match review panel has cited both players for possible suspension

A-League referee Kris Griffiths-Jones cautions Roy O’Donovan of the Central Coast Mariners after his spiteful clash with Manny Muscat of the Phoenix on Thursday. Photograph: Paul Miller/AAP
Australian Associated Press

Friday 1 January 2016 15.52 AEDT

Central Coast striker Roy O’Donovan has apologised to Mariners fans for his despicable headbutt on Wellington’s Manny Muscat, but said the defender deserved “an Oscar” for going down.

Football Federation Australia have confirmed that both players will be cited by the match review panel and are likely to face suspensions. The Mariners import said he was “embarrassed” that it had taken the gloss off the side’s first win in 11 weeks, but suggested he wasn’t the only one at fault.

“I’ve got elbowed in the face not once, not twice, and the referee hasn’t seen fit to react to that and book Manny Muscat,” O’Donovan told Fox Sports. “I walked away and had a player run into my direction, I leaned my head in and I’ve reacted to it. He’s gone down like a movie star there. He should get an Oscar for that. He timed it perfectly.”

The former Irish international admitted he could have easily been given his marching orders by referee Kris Griffiths-Jones, who showed both players a yellow card. O’Donovan felt Griffiths-Jones had dealt with it “sensibly”. “He felt there wasn’t enough force behind what I did,” he said. “I got yellow-carded and nobody got hurt. Manny played out the rest of the team, he didn’t have a scratch or a bruise. We shook hands after the game and I’m the only one that has any wounds from the whole event.”

The 30-year-old, who has scored three goals this season, was apologetic to supporters and said he regretted his part in the ugly incident. “We’ve got a lot of young fans in the A-League and the Central Coast Mariners and it’s not what their parents want them to see and not the Roy O’Donovan I want people to see either,” he said. The 3-1 victory was the Mariners’ first since their 3-2 win over Perth in round one.

http://www.theguardian.com/football...im-of-his-a-league-headbutt-deserves-an-oscar

 

[Rowdy]

why his decision making can appear off

Some nice stuff from Austin in the first half when TW, innovatively switched him and Fab at the 35 min mark.

3 mins later Austin was playing wide right, recieved the ball just outside the 18 on the sideline, quick shimy with the feet and he beats Rodriguez & he was off down the line.

Starts coming inside with a nice diagonal run and was able to get a great ball away with his left foot, to Fab who played in MNeil outside him who squares into the box straight through the penalty spot and out the otherside.

If only Mitch had kept up his pace/ anticipated Neil's square ball he'd easily have had a clean shot with his preferred left foot. He was only 5 yards too late.

Only confirming your points, it's his decision making/failing to anticipate, that lets him down a lot.

 

[Rowdy]

Slowing down and pausing the live footage from Fox, Roy appears to not have mark on him until after his 'Cork Kiss' to Muscat.

So his stated wounds are more a case of 'self-inflicted', which I think helped to sway the Ref in keeping it a thinking they're both guilty of 'something ???' in that he failed to see the incident in backplay.

Also perhaps thinking:
"SHIT !?
I'll leave this one to the MRP -They dealt with Matty Simon this week, they can deal with these 2 too".

I predict a minimum 3 - possible 4 game ban for RO'D. Whipping Boy.

Muscat will be lucky to get a week if that

 

[patjennings]

Slowing down and pausing the live footage from Fox, Roy appears to not have mark on him until after his 'Cork Kiss' to Muscat.

So his stated wounds are more a case of 'self-inflicted', which I think helped to sway the Ref in keeping it a thinking they're both guilty of 'something ???' in that he failed to see the incident in backplay.

Also perhaps thinking:
"SHIT !?
I'll leave this one to the MRP -They dealt with Matty Simon this week, they can deal with these 2 too".

I predict a minimum 3 - possible 4 game ban for RO'D. Whipping Boy.

Muscat will be lucky to get a week if that

Can't agree with that - at 26 secs into the FoxSports video with Moss talking the elbow happened - at 39 secs just before the headbutt you can see his full face and considering it is only 13 seconds later you can see the shiner already developing. Added to which the headbutt seems to use the top of his head against Muscat's ear.

 

[marinersince2006]

Wombat, in a word.

Determined.

We were dogged in midfield, conceding our ineffective possession of other games for a counter game - via fast and physical closing down in numbers and then looking to feed Fab and Austin quickly and directly.

It was mostly effective.

We won a lot more second ball and looked dangerous in possession. They had a lot more possession and completed passes. We had a lot more shots and shots on target. Except for around a ten minute scare, we looked largely in the ascendancy and deserving winners.

This was also a game where we we finally got the rub of an incompetent referee. And they were plagued by injuries leading in and then during the match also.

Our first goal; Austin breaks, puts in a perfect cross, Fab obviously prefers his feet to his head and it should be one nil, ball rebounds, Rose runs in, it's neck and neck with a defender (Was it Muscat) so tries to go around him, Muscat semi shepherds the ball, rose off balance goes down, looked like it could be a pen at first, but replay shows defender got to the ball first. Still it's awarded. Fab steps up, Durante tries to put him off with a few words in his ear... Fab blasts it into the top of the net. Bluey erupts. Canon fails to fire. Hey this is the Mariners. Can't have everything.

News articles around the country start running: "rumours canon unhappy at Mariners" "Canon unrest" "Canon says - nobody fires me!" Some suggestions from CCM camp that we may be willing to let Arnie stick it up his ass if he asks nicely. Other rumours confirm 5 players were lingering suspiciously around said canon pre game. Canons manager says "this is disgraceful, the canon must play!" Everyone wonders WTF is he talking about.

Defence:

We had a period where we're looking unstructured and shaky, but after about ten minutes or so we firm up, however we are definitely helped by the Kiwis making a lot of errors. I think our intensity and game plan had them a bit confused. (Was glad Sarpong was out).

Overall, our defence was considerably improved. Which it should be with 8 of them on I'll give you, and maybe not so much from better marking, but we contested very well, each player is determined and committed, it shows, and it works. We still look poor at defending set pieces however and there was plenty of opportunity if they'd used their possession better.

Second goal, fantastic steel by Roy, feeds Austin with a beautiful and intelligent ball across the box when he could have shot form a poor angle. Austin slides in to convert. Nice goal.

2 - 0

2nd half - Austin and Fab tiring and need to be pulled for safety, Bingham and L.Rose on and do ok, but the loss of the two fast wingers as an outlet is clearly hurting us. Kiwis get some momentum and score a fairly simple goal with Rosey pulled too central to shut down the cross, Powell taps in.

2 -1

Somewhere around this point... Roy who has been terrific, winning most battles and thereby frustrating the shit out of Durante and Muscat - is contesting with Muscat so Muscat decides to give him some treatment... and Roy decides to teach him a very important lesson about the Irish.

The end result makes Zinidine Zidanes liverpool kiss look like the pathetic limp necked french effort that it was.

Roy should not just go. You watch it, and you think, oh f**k, that's 6 weeks if its a day. Maybe 6 months? But cue the incompetent ref and his 3 blind mice - who missed all the build up, and of course also miss the biggest in HAL history.

They don't know what's happening. Players are rushing in wanting to lynch Roy. Muscat is whimpering on the ground in the 18yd box. So Roy tells them he was elbowed, and shows them the blood above his eye to prove his point. And it does, as it is still flowing freely from the cut he received from head butting Muscat. Gotta love the irish.

The ref gives them both a yellow. Roy is still on. And we plead the sackwhacker amendment.

Harper and Simon are livid in the commentary. Harper suggest the rules should now change because it's CCM.

Phoenix know they're still not out of it, until we score our 3rd goal... Neil with a great tackle and steal, pushes into the 18yd box, turns past a player cuts back inside and shoots with the kind of precision that our midfield has been so horribly absent of and takes us to a safe margin again and you know it's over when it goes in.


Player ratings.

Heward Belle 6.5 - one miss hit ball that almost cost us, some of the other distribution not brilliant, but otherwise ok - made a double save and another decent reflex save as well. Not a stellar performance exactly but one to be reasonably happy with.

Roy, Fab and Austin all played great games. 8

Fab would have been a 9 if he used his head.
Roy would have been a 9 if he hadn't used his.
Austin would have been 9, if his decision making on when to pass and when to shoot was better.

Neil, McGing and Monty gave no quarter - and it was great to see the level of activity and also for it not to look like Monty was playing all positions.

McGing and Monty 8.

Neil 9. Terrifically taken goal at an important time, some good runs and solid defending. Was a real asset tonight - took his chance - my MOM.

Roux - 8 - quiet game in attack - but his best game in defense this year.

Rosey 7.5 was too central on the goal, but earned the pen that got us believing and mostly solid otherwise.

Ascroft - 6.5 solid - but needs to improve aerially to get the best out of him. Missed a clearing header he should have had, that could have put us a goal down and also missed a good scoring opportunity.

Posc - 7.5 - welcome back - no special highlights - but didn't put a foot wrong that I saw - I'd take that every week.

Bingham - 6.5 - tries hard, couple of moments of promise, but no super sub either.

Heff - no score - only 4 minutes. Still was enough to see he that he is still slower than a wet week and will never be able to defend from the front, hard to see how he will ever adjust to this pace of football. Will require a very dominant midfield where he can camp in the opponents box.

L.Rose - not a lot of minutes - no score - just some bits and bobs when we were mostly just playing down the last 12 minutes.

 

[shipwreck]

Can't agree with that - at 26 secs into the FoxSports video with Moss talking the elbow happened - at 39 secs just before the headbutt you can see his full face and considering it is only 13 seconds later you can see the shiner already developing. Added to which the headbutt seems to use the top of his head against Muscat's ear.

100% agree, he uses the entire top of his head and is about 6 inches shorter than Muscat, couldn't have connected with the let eye which sustained the elbow injuries.

 

[Rowdy]

Can't agree with that - at 26 secs into the FoxSports video with Moss talking the elbow happened - at 39 secs just before the headbutt you can see his full face and considering it is only 13 seconds later you can see the shiner already developing. Added to which the headbutt seems to use the top of his head against Muscat's ear.

Yeah I regress, was going off the full match footage.

On having another look at the video on Foxsports - Roy's 'eye/cheek bone' only makes contact with Muscat's shoulder which wouldnt cause the damage Roy's sustained.

It's the top of Roy's head that makes any 'hard' contact. So Muscat will have a case to answer for.

Still think Roy will get more weeks than Muscat ..............

'Retaliatory Striking of an Opponent'
........ doesn't have nice ring to it, eh.

 

[marinersince2006]

Coach . 8
Would be 9 if he played Kalik 20/30 mins.Another great tactical game from coach.

Ref/assistants 2.

Ground. 6

Crowd/Fans 9.
10,100 in ground.
25,000 outside the ground.

68 per cent Possession to Nix. They are a stunning looking patient passing team.If we could play like Nix and win I am sure our casual support on match day would sky rocket.With Fab/Austin we are a great counter attacking team and great to watch.

Player ratings

HB. 7

Roux. 7
Posc. 7
Asc. 7
RoseJ 7

Monty .8
Jake. 7.5
Neil 7.5

Fab. 8.5
Austin.7
Roy. 6

JB 6.5
LR. 6.5
Heff. 4 mins

Amazing decisive selection by coach. Never thought I would see Caceres,Fitg and Sim dropped from a CCM game squad this season.

Sim has been in career best form and I really feel for him. Great to see him at half time centre stage.

Maybe career defining moment for caceres/Fitzg.

Our centre forwards possible suspension opens up opportunity and game time for the rest of our squad.

A win and 3'points.

Amazing developement of young Australians .Congratulations to coaching team/group.

 

[shipwreck]

It's going to blow up massively, the twitter comments from current and former players (Vukovic, Zdrillic etc) combined with the commentary and the fact we are ccm means this will get severe, I am fully preparing for a minimum of 8 weeks.

 

[Pirate Pete]

this is eight weeks
As I said before Muscat seems to have got away with two weeks for violent conduct.
But you could be right. I have a feeling the FFA don't like us.

 

[Capn Gus Bloodbeard]

Good to see the refereeing controversy continuing in the WSW match - Williams missed 2 obvious penalties so far (disallowed a goal too, but that was actually a good decision). How he was allowed to referee this week after missing Simon's strike, I don't know.

 

[nebakke]

Good to see the refereeing controversy continuing in the WSW match - Williams missed 2 obvious penalties so far (disallowed a goal too, but that was actually a good decision). How he was allowed to referee this week after missing Simon's strike, I don't know.

At this rate, you might want to sit ready by the phone mate - I think they're going to need to scrounge up everything they've got to referee the next couple of weeks

 

[Forum Phoenix]

Muscat had no provocation - gets 8 weeks.
Roy will likely get six.
Manny Muscat 2?

Frustrating stuff. Good referees and good refereeing protects players from themselves,

 

[Capn Gus Bloodbeard]

Williams actually apologised on camera and explained what he thought at the time. Good to see actually.

 

[Wombat]

Thanks FP.
Good review.
Thanks 2006 although im scared of your scores after your last effort

 

[Wombat]

Saw the headbutt. On news.......not terribke. More a f**k u tap rather than anyreal malice

 

[Gratis]

I know it won't help but from Royo's perspective a guy that just elbowed him twice in the face and gave him a black eye came running at him -again- from behind. Royo throws his head in, in both defence and retaliation. It was at an attacker coming from behind that he couldn't see properly. It's not like he went at the guy directly. On the street you'd say he'd put up with enough and acted within his rights...but unfortunately this is a nationally televised sport with kids watching. Not going to go well.

 

[Big Al]

. yep, i agree. i haven't seen a replay (Roy)
. but i don't think the ref saw it either - perhaps the assistant did see it,

I was sitting on west side and was approx 10m further up from the linesman.
I saw Muscat hit the floor and thought oho what happened there. When the player doesn't get up to join in on the handbags there are two thoughts
a) hurt b) faking for a card
He got up straight away after Only a yellow was given
Anyway I looked to linesman who did put up his flag however it was a little late. More a better pretend I saw it then I actually did (especially after Simon incident). Ref looked around for a while and took his sweet time to get over to him. Roy had enough time to get involved in the handbags and run over to the sidelines to get treatment and show the fourth official his shiner. Ref constantly looking to the 4th official.
Gets to linesman who I guess says I don't know I'm on the other side of the field but i saw him on the ground. 4th official says yep he has a shiner you have missed. Touchy says we've sent a few CCM off already this year prob a good night to leave him on. It's New Years and I'd like to watch the fireworks safely.
Yellow card issued

Basically I think they were guessing and Roy fooled them.