R13 - NYE vs Welly - it's time to get a win!

[Rowdy]

I thought our mids kept WeeJudas pretty quiet.

I think he sorely missed Albert Riera's 'slickness' coming out of the Nix midfield.

His red card last week/out against us, was a factor in helping us get the win imo.

 

[bikinigirl]

I'm just as uneducated as you, BK. Some cursory reading on wiki suggests Powell was indeed offside, even though he was behind the ball when it was passed. It has to do with the interpretation of "active involvement". It's beyond my comprehension... I'm sure other, more learned forumites can elaborate.

A player is in an offside position if he's in his opponent's half, closer to the opponent's goal line than the 2nd last defender (usually the keeper is the last, but not always), and in front of the ball. While the scorer was past the 2nd last defender, he wasn't in front of the ball, so this was definitely not offside.
Also it can be any body part - even just a shoulder or a knee (but not the arms - enough to put a player off, and when it's a close call the freeze frame doesn't really have the resolution to show that level of detail.

. Cap'n ... so he is 'played on-side' by one of his own players (with the ball) rather than requiring to be 'played on-side' by one of our players?

 

[Capn Gus Bloodbeard]

I'm just as uneducated as you, BK. Some cursory reading on wiki suggests Powell was indeed offside, even though he was behind the ball when it was passed. It has to do with the interpretation of "active involvement". It's beyond my comprehension... I'm sure other, more learned forumites can elaborate.

'Active involvement' is only relevant if the player is in an offside position. Active involvement basically means the player will only be penalised if he touches the ball (including a deflection from a defender, goalpost or keeper), or if he is blocking the keeper's view, or physically in the way of a defender (in

. Cap'n ... so he is 'played on-side' by one of his own players (with the ball) rather than requiring to be 'played on-side' by one of our players?

Played 'on-side' by the ball really!
Directly from the Laws of the Game:

A player is in an offside position if: • he is nearer to his opponents’ goal line than both the ball and the second-last opponent

http://www.fifa.com/mm/Document/Foo...ng/02/36/01/11/LawsofthegamewebEN_Neutral.pdf
p36.. Goes into much more detail from p110 onwards, if you care to read that much

So, because the 2nd attacker was behind the ball, he wasn't in an offside position (and don't forget, offside is 'reset' with each attacking touch. So, he may have started his run in front of the ball, but the moment there's a touch by a teammate and he isn't in an offside position, he's in the clear). Make sense?

Look at it this way - if there wasn't that requirement to be in front of the ball for offside, then an attacker would never be able to play a square ball to a teammate after they've beaten all the defenders!

Not that it's relevant here, but just because it comes up so much and it's such a misunderstanding, direction of the ball is irrelevant as well - you can be penalised for offside if the ball is played backwards (say, you're in an offside position, ball is played into space behind you, and you run back past the defenders to retrieve the ball).

 

[Big Al]

Rugby league might be the simplest way to describe it.

If a player ran through the defence heading to the try line and no defenders are in front of him but a player from his own team runs next to him to support.

If the support stays behind the ball runner he can receive the pass because he is onside. If he runs in front and he receives the ball he is offside.

The difference being rugby can only pass backwards but in football you can pass forward as long as the support is behind at the time of the pass.

The defence is irrelevant.

 

[bikinigirl]

http://www.fifa.com/mm/Document/Foo...ng/02/36/01/11/LawsofthegamewebEN_Neutral.pdf
p36.. Goes into much more detail from p110 onwards, if you care to read that much

. thanks but no

So, because the 2nd attacker was behind the ball, he wasn't in an offside position (and don't forget, offside is 'reset' with each attacking touch. So, he may have started his run in front of the ball, but the moment there's a touch by a teammate and he isn't in an offside position, he's in the clear). Make sense?

. that was what i needed help with ... thanks, it's very much appreciated. i wasn't sure if somebody who was in an otherwise offside position had to be played on side by the defending team

Look at it this way - if there wasn't that requirement to be in front of the ball for offside, then an attacker would never be able to play a square ball to a teammate after they've beaten all the defenders!

. i wouldn't have queried it if the 2nd attacker had 'come through' with the attacking move - he was in an 'offside position' when the ball was played through to attacker no. 1

 

[Capn Gus Bloodbeard]

. thanks but no

Haha, don't blame you. There's some confusing and not-entirely-logical things about when an attempted intercept by a defender does/doesn't cancel out the offside....that's changing all the time.

Glad to help anyway

 

[Gratis]

Neill and Austin both made team of the week
www.fourfourtwo.com/au/news/final-whistle-toms-league-team-week-round-13

 

[Forum Phoenix]

Well deserved I think.

 

[nearlyyellow]

Neill and Austin both made team of the week
www.fourfourtwo.com/au/news/final-whistle-toms-league-team-week-round-13

Better than this TW made it as Coach of The Team of the Week
http://www.a-league.com.au/photo-ga...pping-the-mariners--six-game-losing-streak-12

 

[Gratis]

Better than this TW made it as Coach of The Team of the Week
http://www.a-league.com.au/photo-ga...pping-the-mariners--six-game-losing-streak-12

and Roux and Ferriera made this team of the week too

 

[style_cafe]

I`ve been away for a while anyone know where I can get a replay of the game please

 

[Big Al]

I`ve been away for a while anyone know where I can get a replay of the game please

On fox now. Just started. 11.00am

 

[style_cafe]

On fox now. Just started. 11.00am

Bugger!!

 

[Big Al]

http://www.foxsports.com.au/video/?v=ccm-v-wel-full-match-replay_1227694318639&vc=207

If you have Foxtel you can watch full replay on foxsports.com.au

Go to videos, select A League on left column then page 3 at the moment

 

[BrisRecky]

if there is one positive out of todays game , we wont have to listen to the Foxtel Four denigrate us while not calling the game in any way shape or form....um, we havent pissed off Fred in any way have we?

 

[adz]

if there is one positive out of todays game , we wont have to listen to the Foxtel Four denigrate us while not calling the game in any way shape or form....um, we havent pissed off Fred in any way have we?

At least the Kiwi commentators are consistent. They have always cheered for their team so we can expect more of it today