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R11 CCM v WSW at Gosford

Forum Phoenix

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Great post, but I'd take it one step further, it sucked the enjoyment out of any game of sport I have been to in my entire life.
I was embarrassed to be a football fan tonight.

Ironically the 3 people I brought to the game - including one whose first EVER football game she’d seen - loved it. The controversy and booing was crazy and i guess entertaining in a sick way to people not attached to the club or the result.
 
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LFCMariners

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I got home not long ago. Now I am sitting at my laptop, beer in hand. In 10 years of supporting CCM either here or living interstate, I have never walked out of a game early. Keep note of that and read on...

I woke up this morning having had a dream we got beaten 2-1 by the Jest in Newcastle and feeling pissed about it. Premonition? My sister and her b/f are here for the holidays, and I encouraged them to come to the game tonight. I figured we were a good chance to beat WSW, especially given recent form and WSW's shambolic 5-0 hammering last weekend. What better occasion to showcase the A-League than a warm summers' evening in Gosford with a big crowd and (hopefully) the 3 points?

So I got my sister and her bf (a British native) keen to join me tonight- I would have gone regardless- and we rocked up to the ground 20 minutes before kick-off. They bought their tickets and then I was lucky enough to be handed a freebie. To whoever that random guy in the baseball cap was? Thank you SO f**king much! In hindsight, you saved me feeling a lot worse than I could be at the moment...

We got in and sat in Bay 15, just next to the YA. Give them a first hand taste of the atmosphere that we generate at our picturesque ground. My sisters' b/f got us some beers. The sun set down behind the palm trees. Game on-

From early on, WSW hacked away at us in defence, yet CCM looked the better team and appeared to be in control of the game. I said to my sisters b/f "Even if WSW score first, I reckon we'll get 'em back." Plus the way they kept hacking at CCM players and shoving them off the ball- surely they'd end up with less than 11 on the field if they continued?

Their first goal didn't even concern me too much- defence was lopsided and they capitalised. It happens. Even early in the second half, I figured if CCM stuck to their game plan and WSW kept to their hack-job, we'd be fine...

...Then the complete and utter cluster**k unfolded...

Is it clouded judgement to think that the FFA pulled out all stops to keep the profitable WSW fans interested in the season after the demoralising hiding they copped last weekend? My parents later commented on "how young the ref seemed"- was it just inexperience or something else?

I don't know.

What I do know, is that my sister sat across from a bay of (rightfully) irate men, full of booze and using language that I've never heard her utter in her 24 years. I felt like shit, that I'd roped her into coming, in the hope she'd see great football and enjoy the best a Saturday night atmosphere in Gosford can offer- that she'd understand why I love going to the games whenever I can. Yet it had now degenerated to THIS. I should stress I'm not having a go at those intoxicated men- I was having a hard time restraining myself from letting fly with everything I wanted to. By now it was 15 minutes to go, 2 men and 2 goals down and our usually fantastic active support reduced to a chorus of boo's and all sorts of justifiably flowery language being hurled at a single clown in blue who'd just f**ked what could have been a great game. A Policewoman and security guard appeared at the top of Bay 16, trying to calm down some older men making a racket. I looked at the officer and said "You should arrest that referee out on the field for committing a robbery- we've all witnessed it and I'll happily sign the form and appear as the jury!"

Then I made the call: I turned to my sister and her b/f and asked if they wanted to go? It felt pointless staying any longer. People were already making their exodus of the stands. Had it just been me there, I probably would have stayed until the end. But it had grown beyond underwhelming- it felt more like a local league game gone to shit than what was (apparently) one of the 'Must watch' fixtures of the round in (supposedly) the top flight league in our country...

So the three of us got up and followed most of Bay 16 (plus a large number of the 7k crowd) in traipsing out of the stadium, all around me people muttering about the complete and utter robbery we'd just witnessed. That's what it was. Santalab is a piece of human garbage, and a reminder of why I take such great joy in seeing the westies get flogged or lose another GF. For a team and fanbase so full of wankers and grubs, watching them fail is great- and may they lose another 3 GF's. Like I said, I can't help but wonder if tonight was influenced by the FFA, realising they needed to give WSW's profitable fan base a reason to keep watching after last weekend's mauling and so pulling all the strings they needed. After all, when have they ever cared about CCM getting dicked if it's to the advantage of the large support, demographically important teams?

But the thing for me tonight is that I feel like crap for encouraging my sister and her b/f to come. Of all the games they came to, they had to watch that garbage. What kind of example does tonight set for the state of the game in our country, or for the people who won't support the HAL because of bad publicity or the belief that it's not worth watching? I tell you what- thank f**k the Socceroos qualified for the WC otherwise we'd have BIG problems with the game in our country right now. I should point out that my sister and her b/f both thanked me for inviting them, they said they had a good time and my sisters' b/f enjoyed the YA in full flight....but....this feeling still...

Best way I can put it is- imagine you were a big fan of a movie franchise and you talk up every new movie when it comes out. Then you invite your close family/ friends to the latest release in the franchise- and the movie turns out to be a complete dud. So bad you walk out before the final credits. I feel like an idiot for hyping up something that was such a complete and utter cluster**k of an inept, incompetent, amateur hour display tonight...

We talk about the drop in crowds, and the FFA wants to know why?

Why is a fixture like CCM v WSW drawing barely over 7k on a beautiful Saturday night?

Why are the Jest pulling low crowds even though they're having their best season in 10 years?

Why are SFC's crowds underwhelming despite their dominance and the size of their city?

The FFA should watch the Jest v Adelaide game and then this state-league, NSL-esque shambles. Watch it on repeat. Watch it until they need to keep their eyelids open with match sticks. Watch the 7k who bothered to turn up- including a bay full of die-hards- streaming out. Watch the post-match analysis. Watch the press conference from Okon.

Watch it all.

Maybe read this post even, and try to comprehend why I might feel like such a f**king idiot for selling a family member and her partner a complete f**king lemon on a Saturday night when they could've been doing anything else. We keep talking about growing the game in this country and getting more people interested- people like my sister and her b/f- and THIS is what we have to show for it?

THIS?

Star Wars round, Spanish round, blind referee round, FFA paper-bag round- who gives a f**K?

Like I said, before tonight I'd never left a game early- but that just happened. And I feel like a complete f**king muppet for convincing a family member and her partner to waste their time and their money on such an abysmal, amateurish, anticlimactic, steaming load of garbage like that. If they'd kept the receipt for their tickets, I'd have told them to mail it to the FFA and asked for a refund. Thank f**k I didn't have to pay to watch that shambles.

And if any of you have a last minute Christmas gift idea? I want that incompetent cretin of a referee brought here tonight- with a great big ribbon on his head- preferably with the FFA's $64 refund cheque stapled to it:
 
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Gratis

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I always thought the VAR should be limited to deciding only on matters pertaining directly to goals - that is penalties and goal-line decisions.
Everything else should be left to the on field refs, touchies etc as previously.

With how it's bad is been it goes to show how subjective it is and how big an impact of can have.
 

NoDiggity

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We were shit really and we were probably going to lose anyway. The defending on both goals was appalling.

BUT that Ref and the VAR should both be immediately suspended.
Dunno what game you were watching but we were all over them before the cards.
 

Gratis

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Mariners coach Paul Okon says VAR is turning A-League fans off football
Dominic Bossi

Central Coast Mariners coach Paul Okon says fans are being turned off football by the Video Assistant Referee and has urged Football Federation Australia to scrap the use of the controversial system after two farcical incidents overshadowed yet another A-League match.

Two players were sent off in the Mariners' 2-0 loss to Western Sydney Wanderers on Saturday after intervention from the VAR, with accusations it is being used to re-referee games in breach of its protocol. Wout Brama and Jake McGing had yellow cards upgraded to red cards after the VAR suggested referee Alex King was too lenient with his officiating.

The VAR is only meant to step in on rare occasions to address clear and obvious errors, not provide constant support to guide referees in the centre of the match. In the case of Brama, his tackle from behind on Bonevacia was perhaps deserving of a straight red but it is arguable whether it was clear enough to justify the upgrade from the referee's initial interpretation.

However, the dismissal of McGing was shrouded in controversy after his tackle on Kearyn Baccus seemed to be harshly met with a caution, before the VAR somehow found grounds for a dismissal.

Fans were furious with the decision, hundreds stormed off in protest despite 13 minutes left on the clock as the contest was killed off due to the intervention of the VAR.

"If you came to this game tonight and you left here no longer in love with football, who could blame you?" Okon said. "I think it's probably what everyone is talking about and that's not the reason why people are turning up watching, it's not why we turn up to play and coach."

Okon was bemused with the two decisions, which fell into a grey area of officiating yet were dealt with so severely after intervention from the VAR.

"I just don't understand it. If both challenges were violent I think we would have seen protests from the Wanderers players or the Wanderers bench … there was no reaction. The reaction came from the gentlemen sitting upstairs," Okon said.

Central Coast Mariners will appeal the dismissal of McGing during the week, hoping to free him from an automatic one-match ban.

"I think it's within our rights to do that so hopefully people who hold the power will bring it to justice I guess," Okon said.

http://www.smh.com.au/sport/soccer/...league-fans-off-football-20171216-h05xh8.html
 

marinerbhoy

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Kinda funny what Okon said during the presser as I was saying the exact same thing on the way home. The FFA and the VAR have killed the game and I am no longer in love with what football in Australia has become. I had a season ticket for every season of Northern Spirit and I am foundation member of the Mariners. With everything that has happened in our game I never fell out of love with it. Angry, sure, but never out of love. Now in fact I just don't care, I don't even care enough to be angry about this. The game is dead and the A-League will fail because of this, and there is nothing I can do other than boycott. That is the only message the FFA will listen to. Not that this will happen, but the fan groups should get together and coordinate a boycott until the VAR is removed. No point discussing it criticising it to the FFA, they won't listen. Otherwise, after attending football in this country for over 20 years, I am done.
 

MrCelery

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He's not a particularly articulate coach, but Paulo summed it up beautifully "... if you came to the game tonight and you left it no longer in love with football, who could blame you?"

After 50+ years I've never been so angry at a game ever. We deserved a 0-2 result, falling yet again to a team that, with the protection of the ref, enjoys a bit of free biff to put us off our game. But the circus that was on show tonight was as comical as it was sinister. Comical in the clear lack of consistency - how Santalab's butchery is ignored and then rewarded with the opening goal. Sinister in that the VAR is rapidly reducing the game to one which fans are rejecting. It's become a collection of video replays with some live football thrown in. I'm hating it. Very, very close to chucking it all in.
 

LFCMariners

Well-Known Member
“We are seeing a very different dynamic about the teams that are winning and those not winning. You have the Jets and Mariners in the top four and Victory and WSW in the bottom half,” O’Rourke said.

^ This from an article in The Australian yesterday about lower crowds and TV figures this season.

Let's face it, the FFA plan to save the entire season by finishing it with a Sydney Derby GF. Jest will get f**ked in the finals. We'll get f**ked in the finals (if we make it).

*EDIT*

Most telling is how the FFA reports two highly controversial games, compared to other publications:

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pjennings

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Before I get onto the officiating we played well in patches before the red cards but couldn't finish. WSW did finish their chances and on that basis deserved the win.

We ended with 9 men after 3 card offences. They ended with 11 men after 7 card offences (and they didn't get all the cards they deserved).

It is quite conceivable that if the VAR and referee officiated both teams consistently they could have ended up with 4 sendoffs and 7 players.

Liam Rose got a yellow for stopping an attack when they really was nothing on. Bonaveccia fouled Hoole when we would have had 3 attackers on 1 defender - no card. He then later got another card.

Risdon elbowed Liam which I thought was worse than the one last night - I would have given a red - the least it should have been was yellow - no card. He then gets a yellow for a tackle of Pain.

Santalab's yellow was as bad or worse than Jakes's red. Llorente's tackle was more of potential leg breaker than Brama's.
 
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Psycho Chicken

Active Member
sigh...Where do I start and where does this all end? I love football and I love the A League but right now it's hard to keep the flame. I have never known such negativity surrounding the comp. There's a few factors feeding into this but right now, let's look at the VAR. It should be helping the officials make the correct calls and eradicating controversy from the decision making. Well, there's never been so much controversy! The inconsistencies are breathtaking. Here's one; on Friday night, in an ugly off the ball incident, Bobo raked Muscat with his studs and...no card. I would suggest that's worse, much worse, than the Brama tackle which the ref had already dealt with by brandishing a yellow. But of course, Bobo plays for a so called big club and the Mariners are regarded as small. The McGing decision was ridiculous and I hark back to last week we there's a clear penalty not only not awarded but there is absolutely no mention of it afterwards by FOX. For me this is the most disturbing development. Refs the world over have always been more inclined to favour bigger clubs in big decisions because there's less blowback for them (by the way, I'm writing this as a Manchester United supporter). It's an unfortunate but understandable quirk of human nature. THE VAR is multiplying the bias and this is truly terrifying. This is bias by the establishment. This is bias institutionalised. This is where normal people start to question the integrity of the competition. This is where supporters start to question their commitment. This is where, for the good of the game, for the future of game, the FFA needs to scrap the VAR!
 
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BrisRecky

I'm an idiot savant without the pesky savant bit
Thankf**k for migraines , I missed most of it....quickly fast forwarded through the ONE replay just now, the ref is a f**ktard and I agree with Psycho Chicken and Celery completely
 
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Fishsdad

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Shaun, I know you look at this forum from time-to-time (how you get the time to do it I'll never know, but credit to you for keeping in touch with the supporters groups).

I'm really hoping you read the comments in this thread. I don't think individuals have a direct avenue to the FFA to provide feedback, but perhaps you can send these comments through on our behalf.

There are perhaps 50 of us on the forum, representing maybe 150-200 supporters, and it seems that the FFA have lost some of our group - and we are the "rusted on" supporters. I can guarantee you that there are large multiples of this number that do not write on forums that are just as pissed off, and will not be attending A League games in the future.

Do ref's cheat? Is the FFA pulling the strings and getting ref's to ensure the larger clubs succeed? I don't know, but it absolutely seems like it, and this was the opinion of just about everyone that was walking out of the ground last night - it was as close to "group think" as possible.

If the FFA has set out to destroy our club's support, please let them know that they are succeeding - massively!
 

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