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Mariners Squad - HAL 11 - 2015/2016

Rowdy

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Given that he hasn't played a professional game since the start of June I'd want to hope it's absolute bollocks...

He'd be a waste as ATM we couldn't provide him the service anyway .................

other than our constant 'loopy-bombs' when were taking corners :confused: that would suit his aerial presence.
 

Forum Phoenix

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Georgios Samaras linked with us by SST.

Given their track record I'd say it's absolute bollocks

Yep. But be nice if they could imitate a stopped clock for once.

Personally I think he would be an amazing signing if true.

As long as he hasn't let himself fall apart, which I would doubt, his pedigree should not be dismissed and at 31 is a decent age. Think you're looking at this one wrong RBS, if he's still playing for West Brom, we are never signing him, but adrift for six months at his age where he really can't afford that, and with his pedigree... he's a perfect example of a genuine money ball signing.

ATM we have reason to hope that with Austin and Fab back our service can improve again. Austin has put in a higher number of decent aerial balls this year. (More than anyone else - unless you include Mooys set pieces) And Roy alongside a proven high quality striker could be one solid step forward for us.
 
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dibo

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I worry about SST; a little close to one agent I suspect, so basically it's TribalFootball for a new generation.

That said, as an academic prospect chasing Samaras and hitting up FFA for some cash isn't the dumbest idea I've heard this year by some stretch.
 

Gratis

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Can't open link due to subscription:

A-League: Mariners boss to back coach with cash for players
The Australian
Defiant Central Coast owner Mike Charlesworth is believed to have given his full support to embattled coach Tony Walmsley and confirmed the ...
 

rbakersmith

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Think you're looking at this one wrong RBS, if he's still playing for West Brom, we are never signing him, but adrift for six months at his age where he really can't afford that, and with his pedigree... he's a perfect example of a genuine money ball signing.

Sure, if we had a full pre-season with him where he could fit in properly with the rest of the squad. But if the intent is to get off the bottom of the ladder this season then I don't see how signing someone who almost certainly isn't up to match fitness is going to help us.
 

rbakersmith

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A-League: Mariners boss to back coach with cash for players

Defiant Central Coast owner Mike Charlesworth is believed to have given his full support to embattled coach Tony Walmsley and confirmed the possibility the club will invest in a marquee player.

Sources close to Charlesworth told The Australian he is looking closely at providing Walmsley with some financial resources in a determined bid to win back disenchanted fans and get the club off the bottom of the A-League table.

Despite a poor run of 12 games without a win, including six straight losses, Charlesworth is refusing to panic and is determined to stick with his plan to take the club forward.

The Englishman, who took control of the club in 2013, has come under pressure from Mariners fans who have watched their team slip from being a competitive, championship-winning club four seasons ago to one that is almost certainly assured of a first wooden spoon this season. Doubts have been raised about the future of Walmsley, who was appointed midway through last season but has so far failed to lift the Mariners above mediocrity.

Walmsley raised eyebrows at the start of the season when he said he would adopt an all-out attacking philosophy with the aim to entertain — a decision fully supported by Charlesworth, who has subsequently raised the ire of club diehards by suggesting results are not important.

Speaking to webste theworldgame.com.au in October, Charlesworth said: “I think I am the only one (owner) out there to say it publicly, but the reality is that we are in the entertainment business and for me, that overrides results at this stage.”

Insiders say Charlesworth, who could not be contacted yesterday, maintains nothing has changed in his thinking, even though the Mariners are dead last spot with just five points from a win and two draws.

However, it is believed he has conceded he has to release funds for Walmsley to venture into the transfer market next month in a bid to shore up the relatively young squad.

And it has been suggested he could be in the market for a marquee signing, provided the player fits the Mariners culture and comes at the right price.

The Mariners, who are reportedly operating on 85 per cent of the $2.55 million allocated salary cap, have been reluctant to commit funds for a high-profile overseas player despite the club faithful clamouring for one. It is also understood an offer from former Mariners coach Lawrie McKinna to help the side out in its hour of need was rejected because it was not part of the new path being taken by the club.

McKinna made the offer last week amid calls from Mariners fans for him to get involved with the club again in the wake of the disastrous past couple of seasons.

Now mayor of Gosford, McKinna has led a revival for the city and believed his experience on and off the field would have been ideal for the Mariners. Certainly, McKinna’s managerial style could have been put to good use given it is believed the Mariners’ dressing room is divided, with a number of players not seeing eye to eye with the way the club handled the recent departures of goalkeeper Liam Reddy (now at Western Sydney Wanderers) and Eddy Bosnar. Meanwhile, Sydney FC striker Matt Simon, who joined the Sky Blues from the Mariners at the start of the season, has been cited by the independent match review committee over an incident in the match against his old club on Saturday night.

Simon was caught on camera in an off the ball incident in the 42nd minute in which it is alleged he used a forearm to the back of the head of Harry Ascroft.

He has been issued with a ‘‘show cause’’ notice and has until 3pm today to submit a response.


http://www.theaustralian.com.au/spo...s/news-story/076aff9eeecbfb92085c2b26727c3eb1
 

Rowdy

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Fallen Mariners rebuff McKinna's help:
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Central Coast Mariners have snubbed an approach by former title-winning coach Lawrie McKinna to help the troubled Gosford outfit out of its current malaise.

McKinna, who took the club to its first premiership, said the dire state of the Mariners sparked him into action – but his offer of help was rebuffed.

The club has just one win this season, sits rock bottom of the A-League table on five points and is on course for its worst season ever.
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McKinna during his days as Mariners coach

McKinna now Mayor of Gosford told The Australian: “I couldn’t sit back and watch what was happening. I got in touch with the club the other day and offered my services.

“I told them I didn’t want the coaching job, but thought I could help with my experience on and off the field. I’ve been through these tough times before so I know how to handle these situations.

“I have had so many people ask me to come back and help and I really thought I could do something to get the fans back.”

He added: “I know the people, the fans, the football.

“But the club got back to me and said they didn’t need me.

“I tried. I put my hand up. I can’t do any more than that. At least I tried to do the right thing.”

The former coach attended Saturday’s game at Allianz Stadium when Tony Walmsley’s men, down to 10, were thrashed 4-1 by rivals Sydney FC.

He described what he saw on the pitch as “awful” and a far cry from what the club delivered under the McKinna-Graham Arnold reign.

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Arnold shakes hands with Mariners after Saturday's loss.

Post-match Arnold, now coach of the Sky Blues, stoked the fire saying there was no pressure on the Mariners or Walmsley who has emphasised "entertaining" football.

“At the end of the day, I don’t know why there’s this sudden panic and depression about why the Mariners are losing,” Arnold said.

“Tony was given a mandate that he didn’t have to win by the owner Mike Charlesworth, which puts him in a very secure position.

“So I don’t think it matters that he hasn’t won a game since the first round, as my understanding was that winning didn’t matter, for them it’s all about being entertaining.”

The Mariners ended last season in 8th, at that point an equal all-time low for the club, which is now on track for the wooden spoon.

Central Coast Mariners 10-year record

05/06 3rd

06/07 6th

07/08 Premiers

08/09 4th

09/10 8th

10/11 Runners-up

11/12 Premiers

12/13 Runners-up, Champions

13/14 3rd

14/15 8th


Read more at http://www.fourfourtwo.com/au/news/fallen-mariners-rebuff-mckinnas-help#wlvWXuL1Cp2gYo18.99
 

Rowdy

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"At the end of the day, I don’t know why there’s this sudden panic and depression about why the Mariners are losing," Arnold said.

"Tony was given a mandate that he didn’t have to win by the owner Mike Charlesworth, which puts him in a very secure position."

I'm surprised he didnt end that statement with,
"It's a shame Phil Moss wasn't afforded the same licence to lose and job security from the owner of the club"
 

Forum Phoenix

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Sure, if we had a full pre-season with him where he could fit in properly with the rest of the squad. But if the intent is to get off the bottom of the ladder this season then I don't see how signing someone who almost certainly isn't up to match fitness is going to help us.

Mori was never anywhere near full match fitness. Del Piero nowhere near as physically able as the players around him, both scored frequently. Skill and experience still account for a lot. They even know how to preserve themselves etc... Besides, 6 weeks and a player can go along way towards match fitness.

Crazy I think to say that with signing someone like Samaras is a bad idea because he won't be match fit yet. Don't know if you watched him play much, but he's quality.

Fitness is important, but we need experience and quality far more. And besides this is conjecture, he might have a really good base of fitness still and will only take a few weeks but still able to provide quality inside those weeks. As long as he's not a whale right now or injured, he's a very high quality signing.
 

Forum Phoenix

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"At the end of the day, I don’t know why there’s this sudden panic and depression about why the Mariners are losing," Arnold said.

"Tony was given a mandate that he didn’t have to win by the owner Mike Charlesworth, which puts him in a very secure position."

I'm surprised he didnt end that statement with,
"It's a shame Phil Moss wasn't afforded the same licence to lose and job security from the owner of the club"

Loves his passive aggressive whinges does Arnie.

"The sudden panic and depression" Sudden, a lot of people have been in depression since you took our best players and coaches and lumbered us with your best mate. ;)
 

dibo

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Between Samaras and his 2004 strike partner Charisteas I'd take Samaras every time. But that's getting on for 12 years ago now!

He was contracted to WBA and loaned to Al Hilal in 2015 but only played a few matches though before suffering a hip injury and going back to England. Became unattached at the end of June and remains so.

But less than two years ago he was a pretty regular player for Celtic, scoring 11 in 32 total appearances in 13/14.

I'd back him in.
 

Rowdy

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Ascroft: Struggling Mariners 'working hard':

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Central Coast Mariners defender Harry Ascroft says there are no excuses for the performance against Sydney FC as they look forward to the vital New Year’s Eve clash with Wellington Phoenix.

The central defender’s goal against the Sky Blues on the weekend was a rare highlight for the struggling Mariners, and he admits that it’s back to the drawing board for Thursday’s clash.

“It’s a lot of hard work and refocusing for the New Year’s game,” Ascroft said.

“Just that lack of concentration and cutting out those mistakes.”

Despite an early shower for goalkeeper Paul Izzo, Ascroft believes there were more technical issues as to why the Mariners were outplayed at Allianz Stadium.

“You could say our structure and our shape was a little bit all over the park,” he said.

“It was unfortunate that we went down to 10 men, and it was a lot harder on the players.”

Despite sitting bottom of the league ladder, Ascroft believes the team has never been more dedicated as they strive to end 2015 on a high note.

“You’ve got to keep driving each other as much as you can,” he said.

“It’s a tough time but the way is up, and then we’ll see the real mentality of the players now and improve.”

With competition for starts heating up and no-one’s place in the team made certain, Ascroft hopes he can be part of the side that turns around the Mariners fortunes on New Year’s Eve against Wellington.

“It’s up to the gaffer, but Tomi (Uskok) was there today and he swapped out for (Jacob Poscoliero),” he said.

“Whoever comes in, whether it’s me or someone else we’ll hopefully do the job and hopefully we can make it stick.”

Ascroft added: “I mean we’re trying to have a laugh with each other, and it’s a tough time so you got to bring out the best in people and still enjoy yourself.

“We work hard, and the best way is to make people smile, and hopefully we did that today."


Read more at http://www.fourfourtwo.com/au/news/ascroft-struggling-mariners-working-hard#2cR6Iz31vogGaoYF.99

 

kevrenor

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http://www.smh.com.au/sport/soccer/...elegation-they-wont-sink-20151228-glw25o.html

Michel Lynch writes: "Central Coast Mariners have been described in recent times as the best example the A-League could get of the need for relegation, so poor is their record this season.

Mariners coach Tony Walmsley looked like an unlikely 007 at the start of the season, but when he announced the Mariners' modus operandi would be to attack in all games and pick promising youngsters, it seemed he'd been given a licence to thrill.

In theory, the strategy looked fantastic. Here was a club prepared to throw caution to the wind, give every game a real go and put faith in talented kids who could surely only benefit from their exposure to the big time.

Yes, they would probably struggle, but, so the thinking went, the benefits over time would outweigh the negatives.

That may still be the case, as only time will tell how their careers will progress. And players like Nick Fitzgerald, Anthony Caceres and flying winger Mitch Austin have drawn admirers at times this season.

But it's fair to say that far from thrilling, the Mariners have been killing – themselves.

After 12 games, the team from Gosford has one win and five points from a possible 36 points. And that win was on the first day of the new campaign, when they edged past Perth Glory in front of their own fans.

Since then, there has been precious little joy for the hardy faithful who have seen their team crash to some heavy beatings both home and away.

Still, the experiment continues, and given the way the A-League is structured, with no penalty for failure, there is no real reason to stop except to salvage some pride.

But parking the bus and going ultra-defensive at this juncture would only be to repudiate everything Walmsley and the Mariners have done this campaign.

Despite growing calls for a second division and a promotion-and-relegation system, Football Federation Australia is holding out against the introduction of a tiered structure, the kind of football pyramid that exists in almost every other league in the world.

The arguments given against it are always financial: how can investors be expected to pump money into clubs if there is no assurance they will be in the top division – and thus providing television exposure – every year?

And, say those in favour of a closed shop, what if the sole team from Perth or Brisbane was relegated? How could the competition survive without clubs from those major markets playing in the elite competition.

They are arguments that have merit, but at the same time they are arguments that lead to frustration and a lack of opportunity for clubs, investors and officials outside the A-League.

Where is the incentive to really spend on the rest of the football infrastructure and develop players if you know that the best you can ever aspire to is to be top dog in your state league, with the occasional prospect of pulling an A-League side in the FFA Cup?

And what of the sporting element? Shouldn't there be reward for success? Shouldn't the team that is the best in NSW or Victoria or anywhere in the country get the chance to step up the ladder and pit itself against the big boys?

If it isn't good enough, it will come straight back down anyway.

Australia's sporting history is one of closed competitions – the AFL, the NRL, Super Rugby and every other major league here does not have promotion and relegation, so it could be argued that the culture here doesn't care for it.

But soccer, unlike footy and league, is a global game; its fans are plugged into a wider world, where promotion, relegation and the ability to dream is open to all.

It may never happen here, or at least not for a long time, especially if the bean-counters and the marketing men have the final say, which they invariably do.

But it's impossible to think that the game would not be richer for a promotion-and-relegation system, one which rewards enterprise and initiative, and punishes failure.

For now, at least, the Mariners have nothing to fear".
 

Forum Phoenix

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There's merit to this discussion - but Ange is right. For the most part we just dont seem to want to talk football in this country.

But anyway, i think there's room for some celebration on the boards today if the MC news is true.
  • It will prove MC cares and is willing to pitch in if/when we hit the wall. I think this is a big deal.
  • Gives us a chance to becone more competitive.
  • Experiencrd players and a marqee will help grow the younger players and inspire them.
  • Hopefully give casual fans more incentive and help some others to persevere.
  • Help us determine how good a job TW is actually doing as a coach.
Not going to blow up over the Lawrie situation. They may genuinely feel he's not required. And in some ways id have been a lot more worried if they'd jumped at it. Because they really should be on top of it - for mine they just need to sort the onfield performance and recruitment issues. If MC is willing to do what was SO OBVIOSLY required and fork out to strengthen the squad. Nothing but goodwill from me.

3 quality signings and we will be a very different prospect moving forwards.
 

FFC Mariner

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This may be unkind but as an ex defender, there is nothing worse than having no faith in your keeper.

It causes you to be nervous and you are always looking behind you.

Regardless of the level you play at.

It's possible that Izzo may have been more of a problem than we think.

He has only played 60 minutes but I wonder if a more competent keeper will settle the back 4 a bit. I liked the look of young Hewlett Packard (sic)

I'd still go 4411 with Monty and (try) Tomi in the middle, heff as a target and Roy playing off him. As a duo they were working well away to the scum until we went to 10 men.

Fab and Austin out wide and Caceres can sod off to the NPL where he may well end up if he continues to drift out of games

Sorry Fitzy on the bench
 

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