Central Coast Mariners Squad for 2009/10 HAL Season

[marinermick]

Marniermick

Given that there is a cap and our resources it is a massive achievement that the successes outweighed the mediocre performances over the past four seasons, so his arguement is not BS
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Are you saying we spend under the cap or cannot afford a decent marquee or both.
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No, I am saying our performances the last four seasons have been good considering that there has been a cap evening out the talent pool.

To say we have been mediorce in 2009 is correct, but we have been far from mediorce over four seasons. In fact, we have been excellent and it has been an honour to support this club.

Let us see what pool up next season and judge from there. The club has acknowledge that its performances have been far from adequate and appear to be trying to fix the problem with the resources they have.

And while you bring up the subject, I do not think we can afford a marquee - especially $700K on Sterjovski.

 

[fruitbat]

Doig?
Travis?

I guess even McKinna cant screw up 100% of the time-perhaps he fluked a couple. Maybe they will have the desired effect (just as Huke and Rizzo were supposed to turn last year around).

Because both of those were on the books to turn last year around?????????

I'm VERY, VERY SURE that neither were bought until we were out of the league. And were only bought for the ACL!!!!

May wanna get you're facts right before carrying on like King Shit!!!! (BTW, am very happy for anyone to point out that EITHER of those players were on our books before the end of the last season.........)

Saffron, I am not trying to carry on like king shit. I am a very frustrated fan that has watched an initially successful club steadily decline and which seems intent on spiralling further downward. Until good players are bought and retained fewer fans will attend matches and more will lose interest.
OK so Huke & Rizzo were bought for the ACL.... and the result was.....???????? I am happy to acknowledge when I am wrong, but my point is that new signings have been  feted in the past too.

 

[fruitbat]

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Please explain the Websters def in conjunction with homosexuality as I am confused.


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And just a little bit curious I bet!

 

[marinermick]

  Get over the fact we have the smallest supporter base and look at the fact we have the exact same cap as everyone else, thus the same resources

You really do not understand, do you?

Let me spell it out in words of one or two syllables.

"Cap does not equal money"

No I get it - but are you saying we don't spend our cap - then our club gets what it deserves...

Have you stopped to think for a minute that we cannot afford to spend the cap.

The other clubs you mention have owners that have net worths over $100 million in which they can risk losing the odd million gfor their own ego, or in Melbourne's case a large crowd and corporate base to draw dollars from.

Con's net worth is now worth over $200 million, Palmer is Australia's third richest man and Sydney have a billionaire owner.

We have two guys who are property developers and merchant bankers who have been hit particularly hard during this crisis.

It is not a defeatest attitude, it is realism, and you cannot spend money you do not have.

 

[fruitbat]

it doesn't have anything to do with homosexuality. my point was i don't care if they're flagrantly heterosexual either. it's irrelevant. i just want good footballers.

The point I utterly failed to make..........seemed a good idea at the time.

Statistically, there's a chance that there is already at least 1 gay footballer in our squad. But that's not the point.

Couldn't care if a player was a goat masturbator from Taliban controlled Afghanistan, if they can play football better than the players we currently have, we need them (oh, and if he can leave the local goats alone for a full season  ;D ).

Now why did I have an uncomfortable mental picture of an inflatable goat as team mascot/cheerleader?????

 

[jaypee]

  Get over the fact we have the smallest supporter base and look at the fact we have the exact same cap as everyone else, thus the same resources

You really do not understand, do you?

Let me spell it out in words of one or two syllables.

"Cap does not equal money"

No I get it - but are you saying we don't spend our cap - then our club gets what it deserves...

Have you stopped to think for a minute that we cannot afford to spend the cap.

The other clubs you mention have owners that have net worths over $100 million in which they can risk losing the odd million gfor their own ego, or in Melbourne's case a large crowd and corporate base to draw dollars from.

Con's net worth is now worth over $200 million, Palmer is Australia's third richest man and Sydney have a billionaire owner.

We have two guys who are property developers and merchant bankers who have been hit particularly hard during this crisis.

It is not a defeatest attitude, it is realism, and you cannot spend money you do not have.

Hang on Mick 4 posts ago you said we spend our cap - which one is it!!!!

Your latest excuse I can wear for this season - after all that when the New Economic Climate started (Oct 08) - doesn't answer season 4....only ACL

Sorry but maybe after 4 seasons some of us are over the excuses dished out by our club. Maybe we are frustrated with the fact our club seems to talk it up but never follows through (hence my shit or get of the pot comment)..... We are all passionate about the club - some just have differing opinions...

 

[marinermick]

  Get over the fact we have the smallest supporter base and look at the fact we have the exact same cap as everyone else, thus the same resources

You really do not understand, do you?

Let me spell it out in words of one or two syllables.

"Cap does not equal money"

No I get it - but are you saying we don't spend our cap - then our club gets what it deserves...

Have you stopped to think for a minute that we cannot afford to spend the cap.

The other clubs you mention have owners that have net worths over $100 million in which they can risk losing the odd million gfor their own ego, or in Melbourne's case a large crowd and corporate base to draw dollars from.

Con's net worth is now worth over $200 million, Palmer is Australia's third richest man and Sydney have a billionaire owner.

We have two guys who are property developers and merchant bankers who have been hit particularly hard during this crisis.

It is not a defeatest attitude, it is realism, and you cannot spend money you do not have.

Hang on Mick 4 posts ago you said we spend our cap - which one is it!!!!

Your latest excuse I can wear for this season - after all that when the New Economic Climate started (Oct 08) - doesn't answer season 4....only ACL

Sorry but maybe after 4 seasons some of us are over the excuses dished out by our club. Maybe we are frustrated with the fact our club seems to talk it up but never follows through (hence my shit or get of the pot comment)..... We are all passionate about the club - some just have differing opinions...

Did you read what I even said?

I said we did spend our cap and over four seasons, given that there is a cap, we have done better than most clubs in our performances.

Season 1-4 = cap spent
Season 5 = may not even be possible to spend the cap

We may well be in a situation in season five where we cannot spend the cap and my comment was in response to the endless mindlessness on this forum that we should be going out and spending a fortune on this player and that player, when it may not be even possible to spend the cap in season five.

Let me spell it out again - we cannot spend what we cannot afford.

Given that we are still actively recruiting for season five and I am happy to give the club the benefit of the doubt in acknowledging their performances and trying to do the best they can to rectify the situation despite what people think on here.

And as for the GFC starting in 2008, you are right. Can you answer me where the Mariners were placed at the end of 2009, two-thirds of the way through the season?

It has generally been debated and acknowledged here that the loss of Mile and Fergie were a huge blow to the club causing a downward spiral of confidence and performances.

It must also be noted that we only played the three teams that finished above us after NYE 2009 and two of these teams in QLD and Melb were in shit hot form at the time. The other loss against Adelaide was in the last round where our position on the table would not have changed.

And, maybe, do you think that the decision to unload Mile was purely financial at the time after the club was well below their 2009/10 budgets due to lower crowd figures? The pressure to get money for Mile would have been great but I suspect if the club had its time again a different situation would have occurred.

 

[jaypee]

  Get over the fact we have the smallest supporter base and look at the fact we have the exact same cap as everyone else, thus the same resources

You really do not understand, do you?

Let me spell it out in words of one or two syllables.

"Cap does not equal money"

No I get it - but are you saying we don't spend our cap - then our club gets what it deserves...

Have you stopped to think for a minute that we cannot afford to spend the cap.

The other clubs you mention have owners that have net worths over $100 million in which they can risk losing the odd million gfor their own ego, or in Melbourne's case a large crowd and corporate base to draw dollars from.

Con's net worth is now worth over $200 million, Palmer is Australia's third richest man and Sydney have a billionaire owner.

We have two guys who are property developers and merchant bankers who have been hit particularly hard during this crisis.

It is not a defeatest attitude, it is realism, and you cannot spend money you do not have.

Hang on Mick 4 posts ago you said we spend our cap - which one is it!!!!

Your latest excuse I can wear for this season - after all that when the New Economic Climate started (Oct 08) - doesn't answer season 4....only ACL

Sorry but maybe after 4 seasons some of us are over the excuses dished out by our club. Maybe we are frustrated with the fact our club seems to talk it up but never follows through (hence my shit or get of the pot comment)..... We are all passionate about the club - some just have differing opinions...

Did you read what I even said?

I said we did spend our cap and over four seasons, given that there is a cap, we have done better than most clubs in our performances.

Season 1-4 = cap spent
Season 5 = may not even be possible to spend the cap

We may well be in a situation in season five where we cannot spend the cap and my comment was in response to the endless mindlessness on this forum that we should be going out and spending a fortune on this player and that player, when it may not be even possible to spend the cap in season five.

Let me spell it out again - we cannot spend what we cannot afford.

Given that we are still actively recruiting for season five and I am happy to give the club the benefit of the doubt in acknowledging their performances and trying to do the best they can to rectify the situation despite what people think on here.

And as for the GFC starting in 2008, you are right. Can you answer me where the Mariners were placed at the end of 2009, two-thirds of the way through the season?

It has generally been debated and acknowledged here that the loss of Mile and Fergie were a huge blow to the club causing a downward spiral of confidence and performances.

It must also be noted that we only played the three teams that finished above us after NYE 2009 and two of these teams in QLD and Melb were in shit hot form at the time. The other loss against Adelaide was in the last round where our position on the table would not have changed.

And, maybe, do you think that the decision to unload Mile was purely financial at the time after the club was well below their 2009/10 budgets due to lower crowd figures? The pressure to get money for Mile would have been great but I suspect if the club had its time again a different situation would have occurred.

No Mick at the time I read it that you felt we didn't spend the cap last year....

I don't think the decision to unload Mile was purely financial - I'm pretty sure Mile would have pushed for it as well.... If it was financial I feel the club would have held out for more...

If we can't spend what we can't afford (agreed) then the club needs to stop the spin about looking at overseas players and current socceroos - thats the whole issue here. Either the club has the money to "LOOK" or the club doesn't but stop the BS that the club is shoving down our throats about looking at these players if they can't sign them. Shit its like saying "we looked at Kaka on some video tape".... Just be honest with us - the reason this debate is happening on this forum is none of us really knows the position - we are all assuming both ways primarily because the club keeps us holding on by making remarks like LM did today - that we are looking at Overseas players and current Socceroos - JUST BE HONEST CCM

 

[Paolo]

Its not pot luck...that's why we are trialling them. Its not hard to understand...trial the players and if they are up to standard u make them an offer if not up scratch u send them on their way

Therefore until u have seen them play and can actually make a proper judgment..plz stfu, thank you

So you have no problem with WHERE the club is looking? Why limit it in that case, lets invite players from the local MAA to try out too? No? Of course not. You get what you pay and thats why we are trialling players with a CV of 10 clubs in 10 years and a non-league player(because they are seen as CHEAP).

Whats wrong with former serbian internationals who have been in serbia's div 1?

Once again who gives a f**k where the player comes from if he can play. Have you ever heard of Shane Smeltz? He is the leagues jw medalist and golden boot...guess what, he failed in conference.

The whole point of a trial is to determine if they are up to scratch or just a 10 club no good journeyman.

p.s you realise that the club was unable to approach players in other leagues as the transfer window wasn't open? So who's to say the club isnt currently approaching players you desire in higher leagues?

 

[Blackadder]

From the Daily Terror today it seems Josh Kennedy will be transfer listed by his German club, now if only Singo would stump up the transfer fee for a Marquee

 

[scottmac]

If we can't spend what we can't afford (agreed) then the club needs to stop the spin about looking at overseas players and current socceroos - thats the whole issue here. Either the club has the money to "LOOK" or the club doesn't but stop the BS that the club is shoving down our throats about looking at these players if they can't sign them. Shit its like saying "we looked at Kaka on some video tape".... Just be honest with us - the reason this debate is happening on this forum is none of us really knows the position - we are all assuming both ways primarily because the club keeps us holding on by making remarks like LM did today - that we are looking at Overseas players and current Socceroos - JUST BE HONEST CCM

Its not BS jaypee, they are looking at these players and trying their utmost to bring these guys here, within their means. At the moment we have 5 overseas players found by the club trialing for places. In the case of a marquee its not going to work out 9 times out of 10 but there will be another marquee at Bluetounge sooner or later due to personal choice, lifestyle or whatever tickles the players fancy.

We all do know the position of the club and it should be evident to you by now. Our ambition in players does not always match our bank balance. Does that mean we should stop offering what we can to players of that calibre that become available? Would you rather they not even bother trying to sign high quality players and just rely on Mckinna's ability to sift the occasional diamond from the dross?

So the whole issue as you say is not a case of lies and stories from CCM management. Its a case of trying but not succeeding. The fact that Mile was at the last ACL game should be evidence enough for you that it wasn't just a story made up to satisfy the masses.

There is a reason why the Everton support at Wembley last week made the Chelsea support look like a bingo gathering. If only we had a united core supporter base that was willing to overlook our clubs deficiencies and truly support them no matter what. 

 

[Sean]

TBH Our club rarely engages in silly season rumours i.e Sydney and Kluivert, Davids, Tugay etc.
Im happy for that. I would rather the way CCM have conducted their scouting, announcements and releases than any other club has, it seems more honest than most clubs who rarely even address their fans with who theyre trialling.
Im not sure but Sydney havent even made a gurgle that theyre trialling Rizzo and some Uruguayan triallist. Link me all you want to some fourfourtwo article, but the point im making is our clubs attitude towards fans in announcing triallists, negotiations and signings is just the same as any other A league club

 

[jaypee]

I agree it has been in the past but LM is all over the media talking up that they are looking at high calibre overseas players and current Socceroos

Sorry scottmac but I don't agree that we are ok to make ridiculous offers (I'm paraphrasing). Sure make the offer but don't go on radio (Star 104.5) and state we are looking at these high calibre players. This wasn't the current guys we are trialling - LM was intimating that we were looking at Marquee's and socceroos - now all of you agree we don't have the money... smells like trying to drum up memberships to me.....

 

[FFC Mariner]

There is a reason why the Everton support at Wembley last week made the Chelsea support look like a bingo gathering. If only we had a united core supporter base that was willing to overlook our clubs deficiencies and truly support them no matter what.

Brilliant point.

However, Everton fans know that their club can never compete with the likes of the big4, Man Shitty etc and appreciate a hard working, 1,000,000% committed squad.

We need our club to be much more open about where we sit in terms of competing and get a "gritty battlers" tag.

LG's "interview" in this weeks Express was a case in point. The journo posed some pretty reasonable questions and didnt receive a straight answer to any of them.

If we sign good honest pro's who will give everything they have for the cause, and the club is open and honest about what seems to be a tight financial situation, I believe a lot of the murmering will go too

 

[jaypee]

There is a reason why the Everton support at Wembley last week made the Chelsea support look like a bingo gathering. If only we had a united core supporter base that was willing to overlook our clubs deficiencies and truly support them no matter what.

Brilliant point.

However, Everton fans know that their club can never compete with the likes of the big4, Man Shitty etc and appreciate a hard working, 1,000,000% committed squad.

We need our club to be much more open about where we sit in terms of competing and get a "gritty battlers" tag.

LG's "interview" in this weeks Express was a case in point. The journo posed some pretty reasonable questions and didnt receive a straight answer to any of them.

If we sign good honest pro's who will give everything they have for the cause, and the club is open and honest about what seems to be a tight financial situation, I believe a lot of the murmering will go too

AT agree - fact is our management need to be open and honest - they can't say on one hand we are looking at overseas players and current socceroos and then on the other scream poor.... if they don't have the money don't say we are looking at XYZ....just be honest and we will accept that....

 

[midfielder]

FFC

Not sure I agree with you on the LG interview I through he was reasonably honest .. he did not rip and tear but that is not what you want from a CEO..

Marinermick does make some sense that we maybe a bit tight this year...

Moreover the ability to recruit decent players regardless of our financial position will determine LM stay IMO... on paper those being trailed seem to add something more than we had... However I look at what some other clubs are doing and I shudder but LG says in the interview he will have some news in two or three weeks... on past performance I am prepared to say we should wait and see what team we have in three weeks...

 

[scottmac]

LM was intimating that we were looking at Marquee's and socceroos - now all of you agree we don't have the money... smells like trying to drum up memberships to me.....

But he was looking at a current socceroo as a marquee. LG said as much in the interview. (which i read on the express website tonight and only the youth team question did he not really answer which is another topic all together) Fact is we could not afford him. He came and listened to our offer, no deal.

Now if LM has said anything about a socceroo or marquee after this interview well then thats a different story, but i dont think he has. (please correct me if i am wrong) And even then who is to say they have not contacted another euro roo who is looking to come back but have not had the chance to sit down and talk deals?

 

[FFC Mariner]

Yes, I thought the NYL non answer was interesting too - as was the dreaded vote of confidence in LM

 

[jaypee]

LM was intimating that we were looking at Marquee's and socceroos - now all of you agree we don't have the money... smells like trying to drum up memberships to me.....

But he was looking at a current socceroo as a marquee. LG said as much in the interview. (which i read on the express website tonight and only the youth team question did he not really answer which is another topic all together) Fact is we could not afford him. He came and listened to our offer, no deal.

Now if LM has said anything about a socceroo or marquee after this interview well then thats a different story, but i dont think he has. (please correct me if i am wrong) And even then who is to say they have not contacted another euro roo who is looking to come back but have not had the chance to sit down and talk deals?

No he has on the radio - not the express.....

all I am saying is we either have the $$$ or don't... If we don't stop saying we are looking at XYZ when its purely an unrealistic expectation..... like me saying I'm looking at an Aston Martin DB9 gives an impression I may buy it when all I can afford is the Nissan Pathfinder...

 

[fruitbat]

Its not pot luck...that's why we are trialling them. Its not hard to understand...trial the players and if they are up to standard u make them an offer if not up scratch u send them on their way

Therefore until u have seen them play and can actually make a proper judgment..plz stfu, thank you

So you have no problem with WHERE the club is looking? Why limit it in that case, lets invite players from the local MAA to try out too? No? Of course not. You get what you pay and thats why we are trialling players with a CV of 10 clubs in 10 years and a non-league player(because they are seen as CHEAP).

Whats wrong with former serbian internationals who have been in serbia's div 1?

Once again who gives a f**k where the player comes from if he can play. Have you ever heard of Shane Smeltz? He is the leagues jw medalist and golden boot...guess what, he failed in conference.

The whole point of a trial is to determine if they are up to scratch or just a 10 club no good journeyman.

p.s you realise that the club was unable to approach players in other leagues as the transfer window wasn't open? So who's to say the club isnt currently approaching players you desire in higher leagues?

Paolo, are we both talking about the same thing? Your reference to someone's history I took as a reference to the bloke with 10 clubs in 10 years. You seem to be referring to ethnicity. Ethnicity isnt a factor as far as I am concerned-I have no problem with the ability of the serbs being looked over.
The problem I have is with McKinna scouring the planet  for roughies because management didnt get their sh+t together and buy proven A league performers when they were available. Look at the talent bought by last years wooden spooners Newcastle? (Fury, Gold coast and Sydney also bought well). Why didnt the Mariners secure some of these players?

Smeltz is a great player, its just a shame WE didnt pick him up when he was available. Instead we have to resort to some lower/obscure leagues in the hope of finding a gem overlooked by many other clubs. This doesnt always work out;have a look at McAllister.

I hope you are right that the club is looking for competitive players.