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Central Coast Mariners Squad for 2009/10 HAL Season

scottmac

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jaypee said:
scottmac said:
jaypee said:
Paolo said:
And how do u suggest we pay for these types of players? Lyall stated that mile is out of our financial capabilities...and the players you want would want in excess of 700k

Disagree - I think it was widely recognised that Dwight was willing to accept less than the $700k mark.... and if LM is on the radio saying they are looking O/S as well as at CURRENT Socceroos then I suggest they have more than $700k to spend

Looking and signing are two completely different things. Just remember we have more than one spot to fill. How far do you think lets say $1 mill will go spread across 6 players.


$1mill across 6 players is $166k per annum each.  Some will be more some less.... For example if Lewis or someone like that was put into the squad at say $80k you could add Dwight at $250k + a coaches salary.... All options need to be explored and I am sure that LM and LG are exploring these options...

And where do you propose that the coaches salary comes from? Just because its outside the cap does not mean we have the funds for him and to fill the spots needed.

While i admit Dwight would be great to have, would i have him over a couple of new defenders and a midfielder with a lesser pedigree but better than we have already? No.
 

jaypee

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scottmac said:
jaypee said:
scottmac said:
jaypee said:
Paolo said:
And how do u suggest we pay for these types of players? Lyall stated that mile is out of our financial capabilities...and the players you want would want in excess of 700k

Disagree - I think it was widely recognised that Dwight was willing to accept less than the $700k mark.... and if LM is on the radio saying they are looking O/S as well as at CURRENT Socceroos then I suggest they have more than $700k to spend

Looking and signing are two completely different things. Just remember we have more than one spot to fill. How far do you think lets say $1 mill will go spread across 6 players.


$1mill across 6 players is $166k per annum each.  Some will be more some less.... For example if Lewis or someone like that was put into the squad at say $80k you could add Dwight at $250k + a coaches salary.... All options need to be explored and I am sure that LM and LG are exploring these options...

And where do you propose that the coaches salary comes from? Just because its outside the cap does not mean we have the funds for him and to fill the spots needed.

While i admit Dwight would be great to have, would i have him over a couple of new defenders and a midfielder with a lesser pedigree but better than we have already? No.


Understand what you are saying but look at it another way.

Unless we get a name - Marquee or a Yorke who we can hide salary somewhere else, then we will be in a worse situation - why do I say this - simply the Coast crowds are fickle at best - without a name the crowds stay away - look at what happened pre Aloisi compared to when he was here. Fact is unless the club invests in a name they can through budgets out the window as the Rugby League supporters will stay away. The name brings them in, its like curiosity....

Yes we need a new Mid, One CB but unless we have a name (and Mile ain't it) we will struggle to get 10k avg crowds this year...... Sometimes its the old adage of spending money to make money.....

Time for our club to shit or get of the can........ stop talking about buying and just buy....
 

dibo

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jaypee said:
Unless we get a name - Marquee or a Yorke who we can hide salary somewhere else, then we will be in a worse situation - why do I say this - simply the Coast crowds are fickle at best - without a name the crowds stay away - look at what happened pre Aloisi compared to when he was here. Fact is unless the club invests in a name they can through budgets out the window as the Rugby League supporters will stay away. The name brings them in, its like curiosity....

i'm not sure that's true.

our crowds have been pretty steady. we had a season 4 hangover, but still we were over 10k. had better crowds than any year other than the year we won the league (and basically led all the way). that year we had aloisi at the end of the year, plus a blockbuster trio of the 5-4 game, the NYE game against melbourne and the derby which each broke the club's attendance record. pulls the record up a little. even season 2 had the romario game, which until the 5-4 game was i think the record crowd. we didn't really have any of that in the fourth season and we looked ordinary for much of it even if we were technically at the pointy end. plus i wasn't around, and i know i draw a crowd... ;)

i'm led to believe (though have absolutely nothing to go on that is sourceable - tap the nose stuff) that we basically stopped freebies compared to previous years last season. whether that's true or not, we're not looking bad at all.

season 05/6: 7898
season 06/7: 9828
season 07/8: 12738
season 08/9: 10465

if we're not winning, we don't go great, but in season two we boomed in spite of being rubbish and last year we held ground surprisingly well in spite of being pretty ordinary. not bad, no complaints.

we could always do with some excitement and a win or twenty but we're not going to disappear if we don't sign harry kewell and win the toilet seat.
 

dibo

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daddy cool said:
Plenty of free tickets for AC games at Bluetounge if you new the right people.

midweek, colder weather, no excitement and not having won in months all have an effect there. i'm stunned we got crowds as good as they were, free tickets or not.

actually, a little bit of me is stunned i bothered to drive up from stanmore and back and watch that stuff while sober.
 

jaypee

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FFC Mariner said:
Was it Aloi$i or the fact that we were winning the league?

I think the crowds pre Aloisi were down ..... I think that was covered well on this forum last year if I remember correctly...... Winning helped but the hype surrounding Aloisi drove our crowds up. Last year pre Xmas we were nearly at the top of the league so I just don't wear the fact that its because we were not winning. We only started the losses after NYE..... Even NYE crowd was poor last year
 

scottmac

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jaypee said:
Time for our club to shit or get of the can........ stop talking about buying and just buy....

We do buy, each year. And this year we will buy again. Within our limits unless someone helps out.
 

Roy Law

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Chris Coyne - Coyne confirmed his English League One club was happy to terminate his deal by mutual consent, despite it having another two years to run. "A new manager (Paul Lambert) comes in with new ideas, and he wants new players. The fact that I was going away regularly with the Australian camps was also an issue," Coyne said. Despite being linked to Sydney FC, Coyne said his preference if he was to play in the A-League would be to join brother Jamie at Perth Glory. "In a perfect world I'd say Perth, but the A-League in general would be great," he said.
Wouldn't mind this boy at the Coast, Perth may have spent all their dosh on the likes of Todd and Jacob Burns and I would be surpised if Sydney had much money under their salary cap. C'mon Lawrie, sign him :)
 

dibo

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jaypee said:
FFC Mariner said:
Was it Aloi$i or the fact that we were winning the league?

I think the crowds pre Aloisi were down ..... I think that was covered well on this forum last year if I remember correctly...... Winning helped but the hype surrounding Aloisi drove our crowds up. Last year pre Xmas we were nearly at the top of the league so I just don't wear the fact that its because we were not winning. We only started the losses after NYE..... Even NYE crowd was poor last year

the crowds were 'down' that year in the sense that they weren't up to the holiday peaks. once december came along though, it went boom. the big bump came with sydney, melbourne and newcastle games all hitting in holiday season while we were on top. that really put crowds up there. if they were only in the 12k area like last season, the season average would have been the same as last year.

9052 vs Welly, R2
9274 vs Perth, R5
12622 vs Jets, R7
8113 vs Roar, R8
11354 vs Melbourne, R11
11680 vs Adelaide, R12
17513 vs Sydney, R15 (5-4 game, pre-Christmas)
18686 vs Melbourne, R18 (NYE)
19238 vs Newcastle, R20 (a near top-of-the-table derby in mid-January)
9849 vs Welly, R21 (when people thought the league championship was gone because we hadn't won at home since November)

People forget that our record was actually worse with Aloisi.

Before Aloisi
P W D L
9  5  2  2

After Aloisi
P W D L
15 6 2 7
 

jaypee

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scottmac said:
jaypee said:
Time for our club to shit or get of the can........ stop talking about buying and just buy....

We do buy, each year. And this year we will buy again. Within our limits unless someone helps out.

And thats an excuse for mediocre performances......

We have the same Cap as all other teams - so your argument is BS....
 

marinermick

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jaypee said:
scottmac said:
jaypee said:
Time for our club to shit or get of the can........ stop talking about buying and just buy....

We do buy, each year. And this year we will buy again. Within our limits unless someone helps out.

And thats an excuse for mediocre performances......

We have the same Cap as all other teams - so your argument is BS....

Given that there is a cap and our resources it is a massive achievement that the successes outweighed the mediocre performances over the past four seasons, so his arguement is not BS
 

jaypee

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marinermick said:
jaypee said:
scottmac said:
jaypee said:
Time for our club to shit or get of the can........ stop talking about buying and just buy....

We do buy, each year. And this year we will buy again. Within our limits unless someone helps out.

And thats an excuse for mediocre performances......

We have the same Cap as all other teams - so your argument is BS....

Given that there is a cap and our resources it is a massive achievement that the successes outweighed the mediocre performances over the past four seasons, so his arguement is not BS

Ohh thats right poor us we are a small club, maybe with this attitude we are the piss ant club

So Melb have won it twice, Syd once and Newie once and they have the exact same cap as us so I fail to see how we have over achieved when we won a Minor Premiership and royally F*Cked up the ACL.  Get over the fact we have the smallest supporter base and look at the fact we have the exact same cap as everyone else, thus the same resources to buy the same players other teams have. Why do we not have a Hernandes etc, why because we have this poor mentality. Let me ask the question - do we spend our cap like all other teams? surely we do... so why can't we recruit the same as others....
 

fruitbat

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scottmac said:
Paolo said:
fruitbat said:
Paolo said:
fruitbat said:
hallaways said:
hey i was just wondering if any1 has heard if there is any new players that have been signed for the 2009/10 season or anytime be4 that ???
2.Two Serbian players, Vukasin Ristic and Dejan Zivkovic-How will they get on with a Croatian goalkeeper? What inspiration Lawrie! (cant you dig up a Hutu and Tutsi combination as well?)
Don't let the fact that Danny is of Serbian descent ruin your little rant. Also dont let the fact that we have had plays of both serbian descent and croatian descent at the club at the same time previously.

Well I did get that wrong.
Now what is your view on the clubs trawling of NON LEAGUE clubs for 'talent' and cast off serie C players with CV's like  Di Vicino? Fill you with confidence about the future?
i dont give a f**k about anyones history....if they can do the job they can do the job. Im not going to just write them off without seeing them like it seems you have done.

Not sure why you have a problem with the serbians who have good credentials

+1

If you know something we dont fruitbat fess up. If not STFU.

I know that the article didnt fill me with a great deal of confidence, nor did the Dorothy Dix interview of Gormans in the latest Advocate. Looks like we are expected to lap up more of the same next year (and be happy about it!)
 

fruitbat

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brennan said:
fruitbat said:
FFC Mariner said:
fruitbat said:
Sean Francis Lacy said:
Doig?
Travis?

I guess even McKinna cant screw up 100% of the time-perhaps he fluked a couple. Maybe they will have the desired effect (just as Huke and Rizzo were supposed to turn last year around).

Tell you what, ring the club tomorrow and tell them who you want them to sign and that you will cover the expense.

I'm sure they will be happy to have your investment

Heres a better suggestion, you ring them up and tell them that when fans wont pay for seats because of the crap talent management sign up,  YOU will will cover the shortfall.

Ever hear the story of the Emperors New clothes?

zomg. because we have billions of dollars to spend.. and world class players want to come to the a-league.

Newcastle, Gold Coast, Fury, Sydney  managed to buy well, while our talent pool declined we lost Petrovski, Gumprecht and Jedinak. Crying poor doesnt wash, 1)the franchise got a huge windfall with Jedinak and 2) the other franchises managed their finances.
 

Ursus

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jaypee said:
  Get over the fact we have the smallest supporter base and look at the fact we have the exact same cap as everyone else, thus the same resources

You really do not understand, do you?

Let me spell it out in words of one or two syllables.

"Cap does not equal money"
 

midfielder

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Marniermick
[/quote]

Given that there is a cap and our resources it is a massive achievement that the successes outweighed the mediocre performances over the past four seasons, so his arguement is not BS
[/quote]

Are you saying we spend under the cap or cannot afford a decent marquee or both.
 

fruitbat

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Paolo said:
Its not pot luck...that's why we are trialling them. Its not hard to understand...trial the players and if they are up to standard u make them an offer if not up scratch u send them on their way

Therefore until u have seen them play and can actually make a proper judgment..plz stfu, thank you

So you have no problem with WHERE the club is looking? Why limit it in that case, lets invite players from the local MAA to try out too? No? Of course not. You get what you pay and thats why we are trialling players with a CV of 10 clubs in 10 years and a non-league player(because they are seen as CHEAP).
 

jaypee

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Ursus said:
jaypee said:
  Get over the fact we have the smallest supporter base and look at the fact we have the exact same cap as everyone else, thus the same resources

You really do not understand, do you?

Let me spell it out in words of one or two syllables.

"Cap does not equal money"

No I get it - but are you saying we don't spend our cap - then our club gets what it deserves...
 

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