Central Coast Mariners Squad for 2009/10 HAL Season

[Jaza_SFC]

The problem I have is with McKinna scouring the planet  for roughies because management didnt get their sh+t together and buy proven A league performers when they were available. Look at the talent bought by last years wooden spooners Newcastle? (Fury, Gold coast and Sydney also bought well). Why didnt the Mariners secure some of these players?

Have you not read the thread? No money.

Smeltz is on well over $200kpa at GCU, and had a similar offer from AUFC. Could CCM match that? And even if they could - would it have been a good way to spend the cash?

The answer is no.

 

[fruitbat]

The problem I have is with McKinna scouring the planet  for roughies because management didnt get their sh+t together and buy proven A league performers when they were available. Look at the talent bought by last years wooden spooners Newcastle? (Fury, Gold coast and Sydney also bought well). Why didnt the Mariners secure some of these players?

Have you not read the thread? No money.

Smeltz is on well over $200kpa at GCU, and had a similar offer from AUFC. Could CCM match that? And even if they could - would it have been a good way to spend the cash?

The answer is no.

Crying poor doesnt wash-$600k-700k windfall from Jedinak's transfer should have provided some exceptional buys for the club. If Gorman's financial management isnt on par with the CEOs of other franchises (who HAVE managed to buy talent and havent had $700k drop in their laps) perhaps HIS performance needs scrutiny. No-one wants the Mariners fall on its arse financially,  the licence withdrawn and offered elsewhere (say, Canberra) 

 

[Blair]

Its not pot luck...that's why we are trialling them. Its not hard to understand...trial the players and if they are up to standard u make them an offer if not up scratch u send them on their way

Therefore until u have seen them play and can actually make a proper judgment..plz stfu, thank you

So you have no problem with WHERE the club is looking? Why limit it in that case, lets invite players from the local MAA to try out too? No? Of course not. You get what you pay and thats why we are trialling players with a CV of 10 clubs in 10 years and a non-league player(because they are seen as CHEAP).

Whats wrong with former serbian internationals who have been in serbia's div 1?

Once again who gives a f**k where the player comes from if he can play. Have you ever heard of Shane Smeltz? He is the leagues jw medalist and golden boot...guess what, he failed in conference.

The whole point of a trial is to determine if they are up to scratch or just a 10 club no good journeyman.

p.s you realise that the club was unable to approach players in other leagues as the transfer window wasn't open? So who's to say the club isnt currently approaching players you desire in higher leagues?

Paolo, are we both talking about the same thing? Your reference to someone's history I took as a reference to the bloke with 10 clubs in 10 years. You seem to be referring to ethnicity. Ethnicity isnt a factor as far as I am concerned-I have no problem with the ability of the serbs being looked over.
The problem I have is with McKinna scouring the planet  for roughies because management didnt get their sh+t together and buy proven A league performers when they were available. Look at the talent bought by last years wooden spooners Newcastle? (Fury, Gold coast and Sydney also bought well). Why didnt the Mariners secure some of these players?

Smeltz is a great player, its just a shame WE didnt pick him up when he was available. Instead we have to resort to some lower/obscure leagues in the hope of finding a gem overlooked by many other clubs. This doesnt always work out;have a look at McAllister.

I hope you are right that the club is looking for competitive players.

The problem I have is with McKinna scouring the planet  for roughies because management didnt get their sh+t together and buy proven A league performers when they were available. Look at the talent bought by last years wooden spooners Newcastle? (Fury, Gold coast and Sydney also bought well). Why didnt the Mariners secure some of these players?

Have you not read the thread? No money.

Smeltz is on well over $200kpa at GCU, and had a similar offer from AUFC. Could CCM match that? And even if they could - would it have been a good way to spend the cash?

The answer is no.

Crying poor doesnt wash-$600k-700k windfall from Jedinak's transfer should have provided some exceptional buys for the club. If Gorman's financial management isnt on par with the CEOs of other franchises (who HAVE managed to buy talent and havent had $700k drop in their laps) perhaps HIS performance needs scrutiny. No-one wants the Mariners fall on its arse financially,  the licence withdrawn and offered elsewhere (say, Canberra) 

Fruit bat you have to think bout what you say b4 you say it most good player come from a small club a serbian international isnt a shit player he played for his country.  paola eg was perfect smeltz wasnt even heard of b4 HAL now he is a star.

And Canberra mariners sounds shit btw.

 

[FFC Mariner]

Sorry FB, but thats not only bollocks, its insulting.

To imply that LG/PT are sipping champagne somewhere using the Jedi transfer fee while chortling to themselves about their big score is possibly one of the most insulting things posted on here for some time.

Do you think that $$ might have been used to pay down debts? meet operating losses etc or maybe put away for a rainy day (oh like now?).

Do we even know if we actually received the money in 1 lump or was it spread over time or subject to him playing a certain number of games etc? No, we dont.

I'll happily have a whinge about stuff I can see but to assume you know the financial details of the club and speculate is plainly daft.

 

[bulldogmariner]

By all reports Dejan Zivkovic has impressed in all trials and he looks like he could be a handy pick up for the Mariners. Especially with our limited striking options at the moment.
I wonder when a decision will be made about these trialists.

 

[bulldogmariner]

Ugo Ehiogu has been released from Sheffield United. Please Lawrie bring him to OZ.

 

[fruitbat]

Its not pot luck...that's why we are trialling them. Its not hard to understand...trial the players and if they are up to standard u make them an offer if not up scratch u send them on their way

Therefore until u have seen them play and can actually make a proper judgment..plz stfu, thank you

So you have no problem with WHERE the club is looking? Why limit it in that case, lets invite players from the local MAA to try out too? No? Of course not. You get what you pay and thats why we are trialling players with a CV of 10 clubs in 10 years and a non-league player(because they are seen as CHEAP).

Whats wrong with former serbian internationals who have been in serbia's div 1?

Once again who gives a f**k where the player comes from if he can play. Have you ever heard of Shane Smeltz? He is the leagues jw medalist and golden boot...guess what, he failed in conference.

The whole point of a trial is to determine if they are up to scratch or just a 10 club no good journeyman.

p.s you realise that the club was unable to approach players in other leagues as the transfer window wasn't open? So who's to say the club isnt currently approaching players you desire in higher leagues?

Paolo, are we both talking about the same thing? Your reference to someone's history I took as a reference to the bloke with 10 clubs in 10 years. You seem to be referring to ethnicity. Ethnicity isnt a factor as far as I am concerned-I have no problem with the ability of the serbs being looked over.
The problem I have is with McKinna scouring the planet  for roughies because management didnt get their sh+t together and buy proven A league performers when they were available. Look at the talent bought by last years wooden spooners Newcastle? (Fury, Gold coast and Sydney also bought well). Why didnt the Mariners secure some of these players?

Smeltz is a great player, its just a shame WE didnt pick him up when he was available. Instead we have to resort to some lower/obscure leagues in the hope of finding a gem overlooked by many other clubs. This doesnt always work out;have a look at McAllister.

I hope you are right that the club is looking for competitive players.

The problem I have is with McKinna scouring the planet  for roughies because management didnt get their sh+t together and buy proven A league performers when they were available. Look at the talent bought by last years wooden spooners Newcastle? (Fury, Gold coast and Sydney also bought well). Why didnt the Mariners secure some of these players?

Have you not read the thread? No money.

Smeltz is on well over $200kpa at GCU, and had a similar offer from AUFC. Could CCM match that? And even if they could - would it have been a good way to spend the cash?

The answer is no.

Crying poor doesnt wash-$600k-700k windfall from Jedinak's transfer should have provided some exceptional buys for the club. If Gorman's financial management isnt on par with the CEOs of other franchises (who HAVE managed to buy talent and havent had $700k drop in their laps) perhaps HIS performance needs scrutiny. No-one wants the Mariners fall on its arse financially,  the licence withdrawn and offered elsewhere (say, Canberra)  

Fruit bat you have to think bout what you say b4 you say it most good player come from a small club a serbian international isnt a shit player he played for his country.  paola eg was perfect smeltz wasnt even heard of b4 HAL now he is a star.

And Canberra mariners sounds shit btw.

Blair, if you read the thread you will see I have never put down the ability of the serbs being looked at. Paolo wrongly got a bee in his bonnet about ethnicity.
I also think Smeltz is a great player.
I also want the Mariners to stay put-but with the constant cries that the club is poor maybe it is in financial difficulty. (In which case the licence  may be in jeopardy- remember a certain New Zealand club that folded)?

 

[fruitbat]

Sorry FB, but thats not only bollocks, its insulting.

To imply that LG/PT are sipping champagne somewhere using the Jedi transfer fee while chortling to themselves about their big score is possibly one of the most insulting things posted on here for some time.

Do you think that $$ might have been used to pay down debts? meet operating losses etc or maybe put away for a rainy day (oh like now?).

Do we even know if we actually received the money in 1 lump or was it spread over time or subject to him playing a certain number of games etc? No, we dont.

I'll happily have a whinge about stuff I can see but to assume you know the financial details of the club and speculate is plainly daft.

FFC,
I havent suggested that anyone is sipping champagne. Keep building straw men to knock down FFC.

I said
"Crying poor doesnt wash-$600k-700k windfall from Jedinak's transfer should have provided some exceptional buys for the club. If Gorman's financial management isnt on par with the CEOs of other franchises (who HAVE managed to buy talent and havent had $700k drop in their laps) perhaps HIS performance needs scrutiny. No-one wants the Mariners fall on its arse financially,  the licence withdrawn and offered elsewhere (say, Canberra)"

And the transfer fee SHOULD have bought some exceptional talent.

As for using the transfer fee for running costs-how did management plan on paying these if they didnt get this windfall? With bottletops????

I dont know the financial details, nor do you, but if it is true that there is no money to spend then we are in trouble if other clubs are able to buy good players and we cant.

If we dont even have enough money to reach the salary cap while other clubs do, then perhaps the club is not financially viable.

 

[bjw]

2.Two Serbian players, Vukasin Ristic and Dejan Zivkovic-How will they get on with a Croatian goalkeeper? What inspiration Lawrie! (cant you dig up a Hutu and Tutsi combination as well?)

Looks like you brought up the issue of ethinicity

 

[FFC Mariner]

someone, anyone, please

 

[fruitbat]

2.Two Serbian players, Vukasin Ristic and Dejan Zivkovic-How will they get on with a Croatian goalkeeper? What inspiration Lawrie! (cant you dig up a Hutu and Tutsi combination as well?)

Looks like you brought up the issue of ethinicity

I brought it up because I (wrongly) thought it could be an issue for other players.
It isnt an issue for me.
Paolo, wrongly thought it was an issue for me. His reference to a players 'history' appears to mean ethnicity to him, while I understood this to mean career history ( Mr 10 clubs in 10 years & Mr non-league).

 

[FFC Mariner]

You're not racist but you are concerned that others may be..............

 

[fruitbat]

You're not racist but you are concerned that others may be..............

Correct. Try reading a bit on the ethnic tensions between groups from the former 'Yugoslavia'.
They hate each other, and many have brought this hatred with them to Australia.

 

[FFC Mariner]

OK, my bad, I failed to realise that our squad was a hotbed of sectarian hatred.

The club did a fantastic job of covering up the tensions caused by having Danny, Sasho, Tommy, Nik etc continually at each others throats. Or did they band together to hate the Skips more?

 

[fruitbat]

OK, my bad, I failed to realise that our squad was a hotbed of sectarian hatred.

The club did a fantastic job of covering up the tensions caused by having Danny, Sasho, Tommy, Nik etc continually at each others throats. Or did they band together to hate the Skips more?

As I said earlier:

"I brought it up because I (wrongly) thought it could be an issue for other players.
It isnt an issue for me.

 

[Jorome Alexander Bennett]

If we dont even have enough money to reach the salary cap while other clubs do, then perhaps the club is not financially viable.

The club isn't financially viable.
We are lucky to have a team.
Enjoy it.

 

[FFC Mariner]

If we dont even have enough money to reach the salary cap while other clubs do, then perhaps the club is not financially viable.

The club isn't financially viable.
We are lucky to have a team.
Enjoy it.

+1, We would never get an HAL license if we were bidding now.

 

[bjw]

If we dont even have enough money to reach the salary cap while other clubs do, then perhaps the club is not financially viable.

The club isn't financially viable.
We are lucky to have a team.
Enjoy it.

+1, We would never get an HAL license if we were bidding now.

werent we the only team to turn a profit last season?

 

[Razorback]

All a little too PC for me lads! Get over it! I think FB has a point, it would be good if the club would disclose their financial situation. It sure would clear the air with the fans who want to know why we recruit so poorly and the fans ho just make up excuses for it.

FWIW the Serbs sound good, but why is it that AUFC always manage to recruit so well? I remember when there was talk about them having no cash. They have just signed an ex international and always put together a competitive squad. I am fearful that this could be a challenging year.

 

[scottmac]

And the transfer fee SHOULD have bought some exceptional talent.

As for using the transfer fee for running costs-how did management plan on paying these if they didnt get this windfall? With bottletops????

I dont know the financial details, nor do you, but if it is true that there is no money to spend then we are in trouble if other clubs are able to buy good players and we cant.

If we dont even have enough money to reach the salary cap while other clubs do, then perhaps the club is not financially viable.

You totaly have no idea. Jedinak's 'windfall' would have been used to minimise the loses incured during the ACL. If you remember Adelaide lost a major amount of dosh in a successful campaign which has lead to their current position.

Thank God for the forsight of our club because we more than likely would not be afforded the same graces as Adelaide.

As for their signing RB it is being funded by the FFA.

As for racisim, we certainly do not need you (FB) assuming that other people have a race issue especially within the playing ranks. Rumors are easily started and painfully ended.