Captain

[Bear]

I think its also kinda funny that people bag out our long ball tactics, especially when Matty scored an unbelievable goal on Saturday night from one.

 

[dru]

Lets use some money, fill the marquee spot and get vinnie jones out of retirement. Only been out of professional football about 10 years, clarky could get him into shape no worries.







Now for something we can all agree on: Arnold out!  verhead:

 

[Paolo]

I think its also kinda funny that people bag out our long ball tactics, especially when Matty scored an unbelievable goal on Saturday night from one.

i prefer to refer to it as a cross from a deep position

Prefer to think about the sexy passing prior to the 'cross from a deep position'

 

[Bear]

Clarky would be great but whenever we have a loss and he plays people are usually calling for his head cause he's to old too slow half the reason he's not in the starting line up as it is.

lol, ill forgive you cos your overseas eggy, but Clarky has started every game in v4 so far except for Saturday night

 

[Ted]

If not Wilko then Clark!

 

[BAD BULLZ]

Clarky would be great but whenever we have a loss and he plays people are usually calling for his head cause he's to old too slow half the reason he's not in the starting line up as it is.

LOL, Clarky is one of our fastest players and definately one of the fittest

I know that i'm just putting out there.Im talking bout the opinions i remember hearing last season whenever we have enough players he's one of the first people want benched they dont seem to acknowalage all the good things he can do.

bear lol i didnt know that but he hasnt been starting cause of his abilitys he's been starting due to lack of healthy options.

 

[Mariner Girl]

Jedi force me me. kthanks

 

[Bear]

Who is ahead of him in our squad? Stringers, HA the day he starts over Clarky is the day I will think Lawrie has finally lost it

 

[T]

Lets use some money, fill the marquee spot and get vinnie jones out of retirement. Only been out of professional football about 10 years, clarky could get him into shape no worries.







Now for something we can all agree on: Arnold out!  verhead:

+1 For Vinnie!!! Imagine how we could market him!!

 

[nero]

Clarke would be great if he was 2 years younger. Give it to sonic when he gets fit!!

 

[T]

I can't see Sonic as captain....

 

[Ursus]

Righto then oh-wise-leader-of-men, how do you propose we fix the current woes of the team??  Stay with the out of form captain, the stupidly inflexible 4-4-2 that is seeing us horridly exposed in defence as well as having to rely on long balls to form anything resembling an attack, and the famous "never before the 75th minute" substitutions??

F*ck me, the sycophantic nature of some fans of this team sickens me...... "zomg, we can't say a bad word about Lawrie 'cause he's a great bloke and I go for the Mariners so don't pick on them".  Honestly, are we expected to just sit here and accept the shit-fest that is our football being served up to us week after week without dissection and discussion??

"Oh oh oh, but if that late goal against Melbourne hadn't gone in no-one would be talkng like this".  What's the point of engaging in hypotheticals??  The thing is, the goal _did_ go in primarily because of the despicable decision by Wilko to fake an injury and then realise it was a horrid mistake, not to mention our infamous ability to never hold on to a lead when we're playing ten men...... I'm interested in discussing what _HAS_ happened, not what might have happened had we won on the weekend.  Because at the moment, I can only see us beating Perth and Wellington (and we couldn't even do that), and possibly QLD on a bad day for them.

P.S.  Hutchinson as captain??  Come on, he spends more time on the ground then actually playing.....

Interesting what different people see.
I saw our formation as more 4 3 1 2 rather than the standard 4 4 2.

I saw Caceras have a great game and adding attacking spark that has been missing. But that may be like a red rag to a bull here, nearly as bad as saying Tommy was very ordinary when he came on for Melbourne.

I think Wilko's form has been patchy since he was injured last season but that he is still the best centre back we have available and clearly the best captain material.

I also saw Melbourne attackers caught offside time and time again by a well organised defence, which did not happen last year.

I would see replacing him as captain at this stage as an over reaction very early in the season when the team is not playing badly. This would be destabilizing especially in a team that relies on spirit rather than superstars.

Likening it to V2 is wrong. The form in V2 was diabolical in comparison.

The point I was trying to make with what ifs is that we are not too different to early last season where the luck went our way and everyone was happy while the football was not as good.

What I find offensive is the "constructive criticism" that appears here seems to consist of simple bagging out of Ossie, Caceras, Boogard, Lawrie, Hutch, Porter (watch out for Roddy) and even Bojic. Most of which is just posters using a player's mistake to reinforce their preconceived hate or love of another displaced. Check through the posts it becomes obvious and the criticism is rarely constructive.

I also saw both our goals came from good passes and not long balls, as did many of the near misses.

I do get offended by unjustified criticism of players by people who clearly watch the game from a disadvantged position both physically and mentally.


As to who we should have as captain if Wilko were out. I would choose Bozza closely followed by Clarky.

How to fix our current woes:
for next week I would bring back Clarky and move Porter up in place of Hutch and leave Caceras behind Matty and Sash.
I would advise Hutchi to stop diving and to move the ball quicker, tell Sasho to keep reving the opposition but to watch his step as the refs will soon be on to him.
I would like to see McCallister starting but he is now going to have to wait for his chance now.

I would not be panicking, and preaching doom and gloom and dwelling on the negatives.

FFS in five games we have played last years champions and the two "favourites" for this year. We have 3 draws, a win and a one goal loss. Each of those draws should have been wins but for stupid mistakes.

What do we hear here:
Get rid of the captain,
Change our formation,
Change our style of play,

FFS for some it is obviously time for a cup of tea a Bex and a good lie down.

 

[scottmac]

Because at the moment, I can only see us beating Perth and Wellington (and we couldn't even do that), and possibly QLD on a bad day for them.

That is the biggest load of crap i have heard on this forum! FFS the season is 5 games old and we have played less long ball and a better passing game than at any other time, without a good AM.
We can beat any other team going around as some parts of our games have shown, we are just not playing the full 90mins.

I find this season so far to be promising while frustrating. There are parts of our game which we have not had before, some good some bad, but all in all we can get a lot better.
A change of tactics would be good, but do we have the players to play anything other than what we do?

 

[Ursus]

I think its also kinda funny that people bag out our long ball tactics, especially when Matty scored an unbelievable goal on Saturday night from one.

There is a difference between a long ball and a long pass.

 

[dru]

That is the biggest load of crap i have heard on this forum!

Thats a huge call, where is omni he needs to defend his title.

 

[T]

That is the biggest load of crap i have heard on this forum!

Thats a huge call, where is omni he needs to defend his title.

Not to mention some of the crap Keensy comes out with

 

[Bex]

Interesting what different people see.
I saw our formation as more 4 3 1 2 rather than the standard 4 4 2.

I saw Caceras have a great game and adding attacking spark that has been missing. But that may be like a red rag to a bull here, nearly as bad as saying Tommy was very ordinary when he came on for Melbourne.

I think Wilko's form has been patchy since he was injured last season but that he is still the best centre back we have available and clearly the best captain material.

I also saw Melbourne attackers caught offside time and time again by a well organised defence, which did not happen last year.

I would see replacing him as captain at this stage as an over reaction very early in the season when the team is not playing badly. This would be destabilizing especially in a team that relies on spirit rather than superstars.

Likening it to V2 is wrong. The form in V2 was diabolical in comparison.

The point I was trying to make with what ifs is that we are not too different to early last season where the luck went our way and everyone was happy while the football was not as good.

What I find offensive is the "constructive criticism" that appears here seems to consist of simple bagging out of Ossie, Caceras, Boogard, Lawrie, Hutch, Porter (watch out for Roddy) and even Bojic. Most of which is just posters using a player's mistake to reinforce their preconceived hate or love of another displaced. Check through the posts it becomes obvious and the criticism is rarely constructive.

I also saw both our goals came from good passes and not long balls, as did many of the near misses.

I do get offended by unjustified criticism of players by people who clearly watch the game from a disadvantged position both physically and mentally.


As to who we should have as captain if Wilko were out. I would choose Bozza closely followed by Clarky.

How to fix our current woes:
for next week I would bring back Clarky and move Porter up in place of Hutch and leave Caceras behind Matty and Sash.
I would advise Hutchi to stop diving and to move the ball quicker, tell Sasho to keep reving the opposition but to watch his step as the refs will soon be on to him.
I would like to see McCallister starting but he is now going to have to wait for his chance now.

I would not be panicking, and preaching doom and gloom and dwelling on the negatives.

FFS in five games we have played last years champions and the two "favourites" for this year. We have 3 draws, a win and a one goal loss. Each of those draws should have been wins but for stupid mistakes.

What do we hear here:
Get rid of the captain,
Change our formation,
Change our style of play,

FFS for some it is obviously time for a cup of tea a Bex and a good lie down.

See, that wasn't so hard now was it, Ursus ;D

I think you're on the money with that analysis. I did consider Clarkey for captain, but correct me if I'm wrong if he doesn't already have a gigantic workload as the fitness coach. I would hate to overload the guy and have him burnt out.

I ignored Bozza 'cos he's not a year long signing but he would be the obvious choice if he was around and we did decide to change out Wilko.

 

[Bear]

I think its also kinda funny that people bag out our long ball tactics, especially when Matty scored an unbelievable goal on Saturday night from one.

There is a difference between a long ball and a long pass.

Agree. It was a long pass, and a very good pass at that, picked the man perfectly, and the work Matty did after that was brill.

I also agree with your long post. I think people are comparing our league and players to other leagues around the world that have been up and running for many many years, and obviously these comparisons are stupid. We are light years away from being anything like epl or serie a.

A-League is all we have. Like it, or leave it IMO

 

[Blair]

Interesting what different people see.
I saw our formation as more 4 3 1 2 rather than the standard 4 4 2.

I saw Caceras have a great game and adding attacking spark that has been missing. But that may be like a red rag to a bull here, nearly as bad as saying Tommy was very ordinary when he came on for Melbourne.

I think Wilko's form has been patchy since he was injured last season but that he is still the best centre back we have available and clearly the best captain material.

I also saw Melbourne attackers caught offside time and time again by a well organised defence, which did not happen last year.

I would see replacing him as captain at this stage as an over reaction very early in the season when the team is not playing badly. This would be destabilizing especially in a team that relies on spirit rather than superstars.

Likening it to V2 is wrong. The form in V2 was diabolical in comparison.

The point I was trying to make with what ifs is that we are not too different to early last season where the luck went our way and everyone was happy while the football was not as good.

What I find offensive is the "constructive criticism" that appears here seems to consist of simple bagging out of Ossie, Caceras, Boogard, Lawrie, Hutch, Porter (watch out for Roddy) and even Bojic. Most of which is just posters using a player's mistake to reinforce their preconceived hate or love of another displaced. Check through the posts it becomes obvious and the criticism is rarely constructive.

I also saw both our goals came from good passes and not long balls, as did many of the near misses.

I do get offended by unjustified criticism of players by people who clearly watch the game from a disadvantged position both physically and mentally.


As to who we should have as captain if Wilko were out. I would choose Bozza closely followed by Clarky.

How to fix our current woes:
for next week I would bring back Clarky and move Porter up in place of Hutch and leave Caceras behind Matty and Sash.
I would advise Hutchi to stop diving and to move the ball quicker, tell Sasho to keep reving the opposition but to watch his step as the refs will soon be on to him.
I would like to see McCallister starting but he is now going to have to wait for his chance now.

I would not be panicking, and preaching doom and gloom and dwelling on the negatives.

FFS in five games we have played last years champions and the two "favourites" for this year. We have 3 draws, a win and a one goal loss. Each of those draws should have been wins but for stupid mistakes.

What do we hear here:
Get rid of the captain,
Change our formation,
Change our style of play,

FFS for some it is obviously time for a cup of tea a Bex and a good lie down.

See, that wasn't so hard now was it, Ursus ;D

I think you're on the money with that analysis. I did consider Clarkey for captain, but correct me if I'm wrong if he doesn't already have a gigantic workload as the fitness coach. I would hate to overload the guy and have him burnt out.

I ignored Bozza 'cos he's not a year long signing but he would be the obvious choice if he was around and we did decide to change out Wilko.

What a great post everyone read before you write anything. or else lol.

 

[Bear]

Ursus, I also agree that this Wilko bashing is wrong. Its as if people are looking for someone to blame, and our captain is it. Almost everyone did it for 2 years with Spenny (with good reason, he was avarage, wont find many people who will argue that) but Wilko is twice the player Spencer is/was.

Wilko is hardly as poor as some people are making him out to be, even if he has changed since his injury.