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Turbulence (then calm sailing, then turbulence) thread.

style_cafe

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Ha ha, the new season is drawing closer.
Usually around this time of the year the rumours of our demise start.
Whether it`s financial problems,the sale of players or the cleaner is pregnant again, everyone has to have a go at us.

Please remember "NOBODY RATES US BUT WE DON`T CARE"!

We`ll get through this season just like we have every other season, it`s the MARINER`S way :cheers:
 

eenfish

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Ha ha, the new season is drawing closer.
Usually around this time of the year the rumours of our demise start.
Whether it`s financial problems,the sale of players or the cleaner is pregnant again, everyone has to have a go at us.

Please remember "NOBODY RATES US BUT WE DON`T CARE"!

We`ll get through this season just like we have every other season, it`s the MARINER`S way :cheers:

Absolutely. We'll be written off, we will lose players and people say we won't make do, then we'll punch above our weight again and get to the semi finals again. Like we always do.
 

Wombat

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We as Football lovers owe Chanel Chocko ( as it used to be called) a big debt but we have also had to put up with a large amount of drivel from the cock heads from SBS talking about the sport we love.
Fozzie is a joke.....if ever the slogan..." The older I get, the better I was" could be used for a so called pundit, it's him.
Les is a gibberer.....but he is very likeable.
Johnny Warren.......the rest of the team were/are not fit to clean his boots. If he were still around he would be a Mariners fan.
Zelic....a far better player than Fozzie ever was but possibly an even bigger cockhead.

Really we should be happy that those jokes at SBS don't
Like us......it shows we have some integrity......something they lack.
 

Wombat

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Just standard Aussie humour of the day. Probably not heard so much in the hushed libraries out Balmain way.
 

rbakersmith

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From tonight's member email:

Fan Forum - Save the Date

The Central Coast Mariners wish to advise our Members that a Fan Forum will be held at the end of this month for all Mariners fans to attend. The event will be held on Wednesday 24th September at Budgewoi Soccer Club. The expected start time is 7:00pm and will be confirmed closer to the date along with a full list of speakers and agenda items.
 

midfielder

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From Fairfax .... FFS huge story about us repaying Council ... interesting at the end re the screen way back in 2008 ... if someone suddenly says you owe us $ 200, 000 we have ignored for 5 years but want it now ... to me it shows a break down in the relationship... also says MC is trying to sell a major share .. just with the bit about fairfax obtaining legal doc's who is giving it to them and for what purpose as I don't believe Fairfax would be chasing this as a story [I could be wrong] this looks to me like the council feeding the media and as I said seems to be a breakdown in the CCM & council relationship or a kunt of a journo ...



Central Coast Mariners are confident they will be granted use of Central Coast Stadium for their opening game of the A-League season having vowed to clear all outstanding stadium-related debt by the end of next week.

With just a month to go until the start of the new season, Central Coast Mariners are facing a number of off-field issues but the ongoing uncertainty surrounding their use of the home ground is one step closer to being solved. The club agreed to a payment plan with Gosford City Council to settle outstanding rent, hiring fees and match day costs to avoid being denied access to the ground for their first game of the season, at home to Newcastle Jets on October 11.

Fairfax Media obtained documents confirming a stadium lock-out remains in place for the Mariners until they repay all outstanding stadium-related debt accumulated from last season. The club debt swelled to about $130,000 by the end of last season due to unpaid fees owed to the stadium's owner and manager, Gosford City Council.

The Mariners were denied use of the stadium for a pre-season training game in mid-August due to their outstanding bill and were only permitted access to the ground for a friendly against the Young Socceroos scheduled for September 27 after the Football Federation of Australia assumed all hiring fees responsibilities.

In a document obtained by The Herald, the Mariners were told; "There are outstanding issues in regard to a payment plan and monies owed to the stadium from last season. Until this is resolved, there will be no access to the venue for activities or training."

The Mariners entered a payment plan with Gosford City Council to repay all outstanding rental and hiring fees but have been formally warned they will be denied access for their opening A-League game should they fail to adhere to the plan. The club is understood to be paying $15,000 per-week as part of the agreement.

"That will be paid up by next Thursday, September 11," Mariners chief executive Bruce Stalder said.

Though, it's not the end of their financial difficulties as a separate matter related to a six-year outstanding loan granted by the council is still disputed by the club. In 2008, the Mariners took out a loan from the council understood to now be worth close to $200,000 for the purchase of a big screen scoreboard at the stadium they are yet to repay and the matter was recently forwarded to legal mediation.

"We put a proposal to them which they knocked back," Stalder said. "What it was was that we would pay back all the money but it was over almost two years until October 1, 2015 and we asked to keep the screen at the end but they've knocked that back so we're going to mediation, which is natural."

The saga of their tenancy and debt coincides with owner Mike Charlesworth attempting to sell a controlling stake in the club having actively sought assistance in attracting buyers. Charlesworth is living in England and is attempting to sell the club partly due to the difficulties of managing the Mariners from abroad and personally contacted clubs in England interesting in purchasing the club.



Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/sport/soccer/...eague-game-20140905-10d2r4.html#ixzz3CQExBiZn
 

dibo

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It's not new, but it's new detail. Good that surfer Bruce has provided details, it shows that while there's disagreement, it doesn't appear to be anything about which one ought to be hugely concerned. Interesting that MC's looking to sell a controlling stake - conditions might be pretty favourable what with David Villa and Damian Duff, etc. in the league. Hopefully if he's successful, whoever comes in either has access to significant capital to finish off the COE or simply disposes of it and moves on.
 

nebakke

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Meh... (Not in the, it is irrellevant sense, more in the I think/hope that it's still a storm in a teacup)
The waves are still settling after MC's takeover and getting stirred up with the rumours of his potential sale. I think most of this stuff rehashes existing knowledge at this point.
I think it's to be expected that the council would be chasing after their money about now... 2 years ago, we would've gone bust paying them, they would've known that and I'm relatively sure that they're not interested in losing us, nomatter how they behave. This time last year, the buy-out was still settling, not much to be gained from chasing the money then other than the whole thing falling apart.
So now, makes sense...FWIW, I don't get the feel that MC is trying to sell right now because he/the club's in immediate financial strife... I suspect it might actually be a matter of selling the club while the going's reasonable but before he's invested too much more in it.... So it's also a good time for the council to signal that they want their money.
Once that's said, I don't really understand why it's necessary to play hardball, other than that we don't exactly have the best history of repaying stuff on time... But then again, it's a very different management setup now to what it used to be.
At the end of the day, I would've thought that a smart council would've been trying to ensure that a negotiated deal is reached, at this point, they don't even have a naming sponsor for the stadium, if we go, they'll have nothing except for a bit fat white whale sitting in the middle of the future waterfront project.
 

nebakke

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It's not new, but it's new detail. Good that surfer Bruce has provided details, it shows that while there's disagreement, it doesn't appear to be anything about which one ought to be hugely concerned. Interesting that MC's looking to sell a controlling stake - conditions might be pretty favourable what with David Villa and Damian Duff, etc. in the league. Hopefully if he's successful, whoever comes in either has access to significant capital to finish off the COE or simply disposes of it and moves on.

I like how you put, what I tried to, much more succinct :)

In the meantime, yeah... I've gotta say, it feels like Stalder is helping the comms come along leaps and bounds lately. Hopefully he can keep that going.
 

midfielder

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Love a comment from someone in marketing ... does all this negative press have a significant impact on our memberships , crowds & sponsors... like WTF is this guy writing about .. why can't he talk about the players produced tho the academy and CEO who are now Socceroos...

As I said someone with a marketing background love your opinion...
 

dibo

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He's paid to write about football. If this is the story that's going, it'll get written. Do you think it's not a story? The headline alone sells it, whether it's the first iteration or the tenth.

Maybe we're not doing enough to get positive stories out? If you don't feed the beast, it feeds on you.
 

Jaundice

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Wonder if we have been charging the other uses of the ground a fee when they have used our scoreboard?

Perhaps im being naive here, but why exactly are we being charged for a 'scoreboard' for a stadium we only lease. Wouldn't this fall under the owners/councils responsibility to upgrade facilities of which a modern stadium should be expected. Its not like they only bring it out for mariners games?

Jeez they're probably charging an arm and a leg for rental anyway. Further, if reports are true, why are local council being such kunuts about the money. Would they be happy if the mariners go belly up and call it a day with these hardball tactics. I doubt the odd thugby game played there is enough to justify it, let alone as beneficial to the coast community and councils coffers as the mariners. Thats not even taking into acount the future potential of the mariners and football in this country that extends internationally.

Cynically I ask the question, would they pull this stunt with a hypothetical handegg bears. Really peeves me off when I read reports of government bending over backwards making favourable deals for AFL and NRL teams with stadiums but football always seems to get screwed.

Maybe im looking at the situation wrong or through yellow glasses but its just my feeling on the matter :soapbox:
 

bikinigirl

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. i can understand the council playing hardball ... we have outstanding rental fees from last season and a new season is about to start - doesn't seem unreasonable to expect that to be paid - think of any other landlord / tenant arrangement and it seems rather lenient

. as for the screen it is all a bit bizarre ... do the mariners own all or part of the screen ... what was the deal?

. i seem to remember big announcements about Energy Australia funding the screen way back when ... was that part of the cost, did the mariners pocket the money as 'sponsorship' ... or were the three parties all responsible for part of the cost and only one that hasn't paid is the one insisting on a screen in the first place?

. i agree that if the mariners have to pay for it ... it is their screen
 

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