this is bullshit

[Jesus]

But, we had 4 full houses. Out of 11 matches. Probably would have had 5 if not for heavy rain for the last round.

From the looks of things, when you remove sponsors tickets, the capacity is only around 19k.

If at the end of next season we are averaging 14k. With similar packed houses, we will be surely realising if the stadium was expanded, our average would in fact be significantly higher. We dont want to get to the point where people get used to watching at home because they miss out on the big matches.

We dont want a situationwhere after members, we play the bling, their supporters buy tickets early in the week, and the walk up crowd is turned away consitantly

 

[skilbeck]

yeah thats what im worried about Jesus. We probably do need to add another 10k to our stadium capacity but like it has been said in other topics, this cannot be done with the current stadium and a new one would have to be built. As for a new one I dont think anyone would have the funds to do that unless we could get a government grant to build a 2018 or future WC venue. considering the attendances of the a league at this stage, it is stupid to say that 20k capacity is too small because most clubs hit well below that limit anyway and even in the EPL, Portsmouth use a similar size stadium to us. I reckon we should table plans in the long term for a new stadium but not until we are having regular sell outs and averages of >17k and even then I dont suggest we Build Camp Nou or Maracana on the central coast and we make modest improvements i.e. if we were to qualify for the world cup build a 40k stadium, the minimum requirement.

 

[SNOWMARINER]

I think there should be another option to vote on in the poll.
How bout.
I will seriously consider not renewing my membership?

Great idea!!

That is the one that will get their attention.

I know of 4 others that I have encouraged to become members with my wife and I this year but I will not proceed until it is flatly and convincingly denied.

Half asred sneaky "at this stage" comments don't cut it.

I HOPE YOUR READING GORMAN!!!

 

[Jesus]

yeah thats what im worried about Jesus. We probably do need to add another 10k to our stadium capacity but like it has been said in other topics, this cannot be done with the current stadium and a new one would have to be built. As for a new one I dont think anyone would have the funds to do that unless we could get a government grant to build a 2018 or future WC venue. considering the attendances of the a league at this stage, it is stupid to say that 20k capacity is too small because most clubs hit well below that limit anyway and even in the EPL, Portsmouth use a similar size stadium to us. I reckon we should table plans in the long term for a new stadium but not until we are having regular sell outs and averages of >17k and even then I dont suggest we Build Camp Nou or Maracana on the central coast and we make modest improvements i.e. if we were to qualify for the world cup build a 40k stadium, the minimum requirement.

Yeah. Would need Govt funds for world cup class stadium. I seriously think with an expanded stadium, for a match like us vs bling, on a saturday night, we could get close to 30k. If we had the stadium. It should be within the goals of the mariners, and ffa, to have us pushing much closer to 40 by 2018.

If they design it well, it could be a top quality venue, which would attract opposing fans of its own merit. I dont think singo, or the nrl would be too worried if it was expanded

 

[FFC Mariner]

One of the "dangers" of being community focused is that sometimes the community will fight back and bite you in the arse.

Hopefully, LG will issue a more comforting denial and we can move on from here.

If (and its is a big if) they decide to go ahead with this, the goodwill lost will far outweigh the few measly dollars they gain.

 

[garlo]

i agree that its gonna suck losing one of home games to our biggest enemies . .but to start talking about not renewing memberships . . .come on guys thats just silly . .we should support the club not matter where they played . . . .id still support them if they played at Energy Australia Stadium lol

 

[skilbeck]

so Jesus do you reckon we could expand BT to 30k at least temporarily for a game or semi-permanently i.e. put the roof on the north end and have a second level? I reckon we would be able to expand it to about 25k and then itd be impossible to expand further.

Where is this mariners centre that has been proposed going to be? and how much land is/has been bought for it?because ultimately i reckon we should build all this infrastructure into one complex

 

[Jesus]

Mariners centre land has been bought in wyong shire. A possibility to buil the stadium there i guess.

To do anything to the stadium they would surely only be bothered if they brought it to world cup quals. They would need to basically tear down bluey, and rebuild in a more efficient way, or they would build somewhere else.

Neither is impossible.

 

[Jesus]

Both cost some money. But Iemma is not going to complain with the money into the economy from a world cup.

Also govts have been spending equivalent cash or more round the traps all over the country

 

[dibo]

Mariners centre land has been bought in wyong shire. A possibility to buil the stadium there i guess.

To do anything to the stadium they would surely only be bothered if they brought it to world cup quals. They would need to basically tear down bluey, and rebuild in a more efficient way, or they would build somewhere else.

Neither is impossible.

You want the stadium right on top of transport infrastructure to minimise the need for dedicated transfers between transport hubs and the stadium. the stadium is likely to take up a fair bit of space too, but you'd design pedestrian corridors from transport hub to the stadium's entrances and to leisure and recreation areas (these are important so that people have something to do around the stadium zone and thus ease the load on transport - there are only so many thousand people you can move per hour).

The mariners centre on the other hand will be a large scale development but specialised in use and with a smaller dedicated clientele - you don't need a mass transit link to it, because not that many people are going there. It will need lots of land though. Land on top of transport infrastructure is expensive, so it's not that likely we'd pair the two up

Thats not to say you wouldn't build them somewhat close together, but having them as a joint item wouldn't really work.

 

[Bex]

i agree that its gonna suck losing one of home games to our biggest enemies . .but to start talking about not renewing memberships . . .come on guys thats just silly . .we should support the club not matter where they played . . . .id still support them if they played at Energy Australia Stadium lol

Bring on the Lemmings, huh.

You're certainly welcome to do that, but I'm not going to get treated like crap and just sit back and take it.

I'm still pissed off about the grand final ticketing fiasco. Apart from the fact I had to travel to Sydney for a home grand final (with no subsidy on public transport), I also had to look into the sun the whole game, wy wife ended up standing up the back of the grandstand near the food outlets because she couldn't bear the heat. In the meantime, there were empty seats directly across the stadium in the shade that would have been way better. I was so glad I got preferential ticketing grrrrrr. Come to think of it, the away semi was no different - worst seats in the house looking straight at the sun.

Members get the best ride = blatant false advertising. As far as I can see, I was given a worse ride than the general public. What other benefits do we get other than a few stickers and a lanyard?

So that brings me back to a home game played in Sydney. Do members now pay for a full season and get forced to travel at their own expense to Sydney and then have to pay to get in? Going on previous form, I don't think we can assume it would be included. Its a different stadium owner so he is going to want to get paid. If Singo has a contract with CCM to play a certain amount of games at BlueTongue, I wouldn't blame Singo for enforcing the contract. So who else will pay if its not us?

No, before I renew my membership this year I want to know more about these so called member benefits. If I'm not convinced that finals ticketing will be fixed, then I'll be buying tickets at the game rather than getting the membership. I can't see the point in the membership without some sort of benefit.

 

[Jesus]

Yeah. I dont think the govt would bother upgrading to somewhere remote in wyong shire.

More likely place would be somersby/kariong/adcock i would assume. Unless they have land at somewhere like ourimbah, which could work quite well

 

[skilbeck]

near tuggerah could work

 

[loyalist]

i agree that its gonna suck losing one of home games to our biggest enemies . .but to start talking about not renewing memberships . . .come on guys thats just silly . .we should support the club not matter where they played . . . .id still support them if they played at Energy Australia Stadium lol

football is for the fans
Whats the point in building up a strong community spirit and supporter base if things like this are going to happen

 

[FFC Mariner]

I'm still trying to work out how my membership gave me the best ride TBH??

 

[dibo]

wherever it is, it will be near a major train station (bye bye somersby, kariong) and in a bit of open space.

the sohier park/university precinct at ourimbah could be a goer - there's an enormous amount of space there and could offer a bit of a revitalisation to ourimbah itself and it's nice and close to CCF's HQ, but on the other hand having the stadium *in* gosford means that gosford city itself gains the economic benefits.

developing brownfields rather than greenfields sites is a good idea as well - optimising (or converting to better use) already developed land.

the idea is that if people are close to gosford, they'll then go out in gosford and make a night of it (particularly when pairing this development with the other redevelopment/rezoning work in gosford CBD). if they're in ourimbah, they'll go home.

 

[Bex]

Couple of thoughts:

Baker Park - could work but what would all the netballers and cricketers do? Doubt the locals would allow the development either.

Wyong Race Course - if it ever closed for horse racing it would be the perfect spot, but I don't think there are any plans to stop horse racing. I wonder how much land they have out the back.

Land between Tuggerah station and Wyong station on eastern side of railway tracks - could work really well but how to get the land. Enough space for Mariners Centre, a stadium and plenty of parking. I don't know who owns it. Much of it is farmland but there are also some businesses in there.  It floods pretty badly, but so does the local maccas and its still going great guns.

 

[FFC Mariner]

The land in and around the Uni is v low lying and prone to flooding. Also, the road infrastructure is just crap.

In reality, no way will they build another ground given the investment into BT. They also have the issue of Singo's contract to consider.

 

[Jesus]

I dont think we could rule out a homebush style train link to wherever it went.

Tear down bluey, one side at a time and build a better stadium, with larger capacity, and at least a partial roof

 

[skilbeck]

i could see the mariners playing in a big stadium in the life time of those that are 45 and under but it could be a while off, though any world cup bid might speed that along