Round 17 - Away to the Scum

[kevrenor]

If anybody has a decent pic of the flare pls post it so I can pass it onto the relevant authorities

It was an orange smoke canister from the fumes I inhaled, not a flare. Still bloody stupid.

 

[loyalist]

No sry
And 4 teh future flare ripper plz rip sparkys at night games and smokeys at day games
Regards,
Forza

 

[FFC Mariner]

If anybody has a decent pic of the flare pls post it so I can pass it onto the relevant authorities

It was an orange smoke canister from the fumes I inhaled, not a flare. Still bloody stupid.

Yes, thanks to the twat who let that off.

Cant beat a good lung full of orange chemical smoke

 

[loyalist]

Red smoke goes down much smoother

 

[marinermick]

Worst game of football that I have EVER seen. I had relatives over from the UK and I was embarrassed to watch.

LM what were you thinking playing Os on the left flank and Hutch at ATM... diabolical selections. There is no question now about favouritism. Its a f**king joke! I'd be calling for his sacking if we lost this.

Why sub Gumps for Matty and not Osman can someone tell me this? I laugh when ever I think of Miron saying "yeah we should get Osman from the Mariners" Can't wait till he's gone his air swing in the first half when he landed on his ass was priceless

First half was so uninspiring and the second wasn't too much better expect for some class from Heff and flat out determination from MS.

Thank God we got out of jail though. Matt Simon you are a legend. Foxsports Fantay A league has him as receiving a yellow so who knows.

Lawrie needs to do something for NYE coz we are playing hopeless.

Didn't see any flares on TV but whats the problem? They look great!

FFS, we beat scum in scum to bundle them out of any slim finals hope they had and all you do whine and whinge

osman was miles better than gumpy in the game and the sub worked

you bring nothing positive to this forum - ever

Of course your right, lets all select a team with the intention of falling behind to then make subsitutions to put us back in the game. It makes total sense now that you put it like that!!! 

I wish I knew half of what you think you know.

I'd happily put my credentials and football experience/knowledge against someone with a rugby union monkier

You cannot possibly have any credibility if you think Gumpy had a better game than Osman.

You are quick to doll shit on Lawrie McKinna yet he makes a couple of subs and changes the game - ironically one of them was Gumps

 

[marinermick]

BUT OF COURSE!!!!!   It was Osman's fault that he was deployed on _THE LEFT WING_, to make room for your "so painfully out of form it makes the rest of the team look bad" mate Hutch, and not at all Lawrie's, who is well known for favouring said out-of-form mate, no matter what??

You might recall I thought he played spectacularly well last season.  However, this season, I think he's garbage.  It's as about as objective as I can be - I don't believe in this "defend the players no matter what" attitude, they are as accountable as every other player in every other team.  The fact that he continues to win a starting spot week after week (and our most creative player is relegated to the bench) is unacceptable, plain and simple.

P.S.  I never once said Osman was good last night, he wasn't.  I'm just making the point he was thrust into a horrid position because of this compulsive need Lawrie has to start Hutch no matter what.  It has to stop.

P.P.S.   Forums are quite fun, I must admit.  

James, then can you tell me why Hutcho leads the club in completed passes and his passing efficiency is almost double that of Caceras, yet Hutcho is constantly bagged as being a bad passer and Caceras a genius?

 

[marinermick]

Chris, can you please tell Robert that his match reports are becoming increasingly embarassing. Week after week he constantly dishes out more 3-2-1 votes to Newcastle players despite them being woeful this season?

How Tarek Elrich got three points and was man-of-the-match is beyond me.

 

[kevrenor]

Chris, can you please tell Robert that his match reports are becoming increasingly embarassing. Week after week he constantly dishes out more 3-2-1 votes to Newcastle players despite them being woeful this season?

How Tarek Elrich got three points and was man-of-the-match is beyond me.

Beyond me too Mick .. you tell him ... I just load 'em.

I thought their best was Kantarovski.

 

[serious14]

James, then can you tell me why Hutcho leads the club in completed passes and his passing efficiency is almost double that of Caceras, yet Hutcho is constantly bagged as being a bad passer and Caceras a genius?

Gladly, I was hoping you'd bring this up.

A stunningly high majority of Hutch's passes are either directly backwards to Danny/Boogs/Pedj (if you f*ck that up, there's seriously something wrong) or sideways to Gumps/Wilko/Osman/Porter, whereas you'll note that Caceres goes for the pass that _promotes_ our attack - a through ball through to a rampaging Matty/Dylan or Sasho waiting to hold it up for someone to come running through, classic big-man-up-front style.  Caceres has the balls to try something...... it might not work half the time, but the other half when it does??  Sublime - note the last 20 minutes last night.  He _destroyed_ them.

It's all well and good that Hutch has an incredibly high completed pass rate - statistics can make anyone look good.  But where on the field are the majority of these passes done??  To the side around the centre circle or backwards in our own half??  It's Spencer all over again.

 

[marinermick]

James, then can you tell me why Hutcho leads the club in completed passes and his passing efficiency is almost double that of Caceras, yet Hutcho is constantly bagged as being a bad passer and Caceras a genius?

Gladly, I was hoping you'd bring this up.

A stunningly high majority of Hutch's passes are either directly backwards to Danny/Boogs/Pedj (if you f*ck that up, there's seriously something wrong) or sideways to Gumps/Wilko/Osman/Porter, whereas you'll note that Caceres goes for the pass that _promotes_ our attack - a through ball through to a rampaging Matty/Dylan or Sasho waiting to hold it up for someone to come running through, classic big-man-up-front style.   Caceres has the balls to try something...... it might not work half the time, but the other half when it does??   Sublime - note the last 20 minutes last night.  He _destroyed_ them.

It's all well and good that Hutch has an incredibly high completed pass rate - statistics can make anyone look good.  But where on the field are the majority of these passes done??   To the side around the centre circle or backwards in our own half??   It's Spencer all over again.

granted, but in a derby where you are playing a team that thrives on possession, wouldn't you want to retain as much as your own possession as much as possible, even if that means going backwards?

fact is, that in a stink and when the pressure is on, such as a derby match, you want a ninety minute player that tries to starve the opposition of ball and a leader, rather than a 45 minute player who loses twice as much ball and puts your own team under pressure

yes adrian is an extremely gifted player but he has been diabolical in the last month and has constantly put us under pressure by giving away too much ball

i think lawrie may have found the right position for him coming off the bench

 

[Part_Timer]

my morisset united stats are as follows
completed passes : 100098
incomplete passes: 3
goals: 23
yellows:26
reds: 1
tackles: 2
slide tackles: 407


clearly i am the best player on my team.....

 

[loyalist]

Have seen dt play and can confirm he is their hutcho

 

[From the dug out]

For the record I'm a big Hutch fan! as I am a big fan of all our boys who represent us.

A coach needs to have a person that can just keep possession, even if that means playing it back. (Depth = Time) Time on the ball, time for our backs to get shape and to move up the field, time for our strikers to make their runs into the holes. We want someone who can play the high % passes as often as possible. Sometimes the hardest pass to make is the easiest option. Threading needles is not what we need all the time, keeping possession is more important and is more of a purist game.

We can't have it both ways....we are usually talking about how quickly we loose the ball playing the long ball option into our strikers.

Jedi, doesn't get half the rubbish thrown at him and yet his long ball options turn over more ball than we would like. Again different blokes for different strokes.

Everyone is entitled to there opinion and this is simply mine

Depending on the position played will determine that individuals game plan. Playing at the top of the diamond means you can be more creative, than when you are at the bottom. In the past when Hutch has either been out wide or at the bottom, his statistic's stand for themself. Last 2 weeks he has been at the top end, and has had 1 good game and 1 average game. Whoever our whole midfield performed average last night. Gump, Osman, Jedi and Hutch

The one thing he can do that Caseres can't do is defend.

When Caseras looses the ball it's like defending with 10 men (oops sorry 9 men when Sasho is out there).

 

[jaypee]

Have seen dt play and can confirm he is their hutcho

DT Takes better free kicks......

 

[jaypee]

For the record I'm a big Hutch fan! as I am a big fan of all our boys who represent us.

A coach needs to have a person that can just keep possession, even if that means playing it back. (Depth = Time) Time on the ball, time for our backs to get shape and to move up the field, time for our strikers to make their runs into the holes. We want someone who can play the high % passes as often as possible. Sometimes the hardest pass to make is the easiest option. Threading needles is not what we need all the time, keeping possession is more important and is more of a purist game.

We can't have it both ways....we are usually talking about how quickly we loose the ball playing the long ball option into our strikers.

Jedi, doesn't get half the rubbish thrown at him and yet his long ball options turn over more ball than we would like. Again different blokes for different strokes.

Everyone is entitled to there opinion and this is simply mine

Depending on the position played will determine that individuals game plan. Playing at the top of the diamond means you can be more creative, than when you are at the bottom. In the past when Hutch has either been out wide or at the bottom, his statistic's stand for themself. Last 2 weeks he has been at the top end, and has had 1 good game and 1 average game. Whoever our whole midfield performed average last night. Gump, Osman, Jedi and Hutch

The one thing he can do that Caseres can't do is defend.

When Caseras looses the ball it's like defending with 10 men (oops sorry 9 men when Sasho is out there).

I think the issue with Hutch this year is he no longer gets the free kicks he used to get. Maybe that due to the Refs feeling he dives etc? Just a thought

 

[Part_Timer]

Have seen dt play and can confirm he is their hutcho

DT Takes better free kicks......

TY KUTGW ....your payment is in the mail

 

[jaypee]

Have seen dt play and can confirm he is their hutcho

DT Takes better free kicks......

TY KUTGW ....your payment is in the mail

Very good - I'll swap you a projector as well.....

 

[FFC Mariner]

Maybe Hutch will thrive in the DM role after NYE?

If short, simple passes are whats needed, he seems to do this ok.

I believe he needs to cut out his diving, its now futile and he just looks a twat (and loses possession which is even worse TBH). His, get ball, turn, stop, turn again, pass/fall over routine allows the other side to get men behind the ball and kills our high tempo game.

I want the guy to be a successful part of a team that wins things, to want otherwise is daft but he needs to decide where he wants to play. CM? DM (alongside Jedi) AM or LM. Maybe that is because he wants to be involved so badly I dunno but for mine, he is best at LM ahead of Heff.

I think that the players regard Sydney as the true derby and really fire up for those games whereas Scum is our derby. The one player who seems to hate the scum as much as we do is Hutcho (and possibly Matty) - for that, he is to be congratulated

 

[MrCelery]

And you Hutch lovers are making the rest of us sick...... don't let the whole "he wailed on the Squadron" (and we won) cloud the fact that he was nothing short of our worst player, and quite possibly the proud owner of "worst 45 minutes in a Mariners jersey all season".

Serious ... you actually believe that? I'm truly amazed!

So he was worse than say Osman?

He is not playing well and I've been wondering why Lawrie has played him sometimes ... but that makes me a Hutch lover and you an objective observer. What a laugh.

I'm not a Hutch lover or hater. He frustrates me sometimes and rewards me other times, like his bullet-like goals. In that way he's no different than all the other players.

But anyone that can get up the nose of the Scum players and supporters to the extent that he does - top marks from me!  verhead:

 

[MattSimon]

John Hutchison is a hard-as-nails, CCM legend. 3 out of 3 times in derbies this year (not to mention previous seasons) he has got under the skin of the Squadrunts - there is more press about Hutcho over on the scum fan site than anything else at the moment. They can't handle losing and they can't handle Hutcho sticking it to them.

On a side note, my sig proved quite prophetic, did it not? Matt Simon for PM