RD 4 Mariners V Sydney FC

[true believer]

I didn't see the first yellow, but I saw the second and it was a yellow every day of the week. Whether the ref erred on the first or not, once you have one against your name to make the challenge he did is f**king lunacy.

so you dismissed the 1st and 2nd mistakes then want to blame the victim on the 3 rd ?

 

[true believer]

Haven't seen replays of the simulation, it would be very un-Fitzy like to dive, but the 2nd yellow was clumsy. He will learn.

indeed . we'll see if the FFA aren't just a tards /bling puppet and dismiss a suspension on fitzy as they clearly should .

 

[Big Al]

Agree, wether the ref right or not don't give him a chance to give you 2nd yellow.

From where I was standing looked terribly late. Ref had no choice

On the first looked like he fell trying to avoid the defender and get past but lost balance. He didn't appeal for a free kick but ref had carded him before he even hit the ground, but Fitzy didn't protest and he usually does so he himself didn't seem to upset with the refs decision.

 

[dibo]

so you dismissed the 1st and 2nd mistakes then want to blame the victim on the 3 rd ?

I said nothing of the sort. I said that if you're on a yellow to challenge as Fitzy did is lunacy, which it was.

 

[true believer]

I said nothing of the sort. I said that if you're on a yellow to challenge as Fitzy did is lunacy, which it was.

you have to acknowledge the context of the 2nd yellow . which is the 1st and 2nd incident .
indeed regardless of the error of the penalty . as al said "he had the card out before fitzy hit the ground "
the 3 rd was blaming the victim .

 

[MagpieMariner]

indeed arnolds class less chest thumping spray at the mariners bench.
was more to deflect from the criminal circumstances his over rated side
were handed victory .

Indeed, any liking for him for what he did with us has now gone. That was classless to the club that gave him the chance to show his wares to Australia and then let him break his contract so he could chase glory overseas. We deserved better than that from him, particularly seeing these other clubs wouldn't have wanted him if it hadn't been for the Mariners. Boo Arnold, suck it.

 

[dibo]

you have to acknowledge the context of the 2nd yellow . which is the 1st and 2nd incident .
indeed regardless of the error of the penalty . as al said "he had the card out before fitzy hit the ground "
the 3 rd was blaming the victim .

No, I don't have to "acknowledge the context". If you're on a yellow you have a responsibility to not be dumb, regardless of whether the referee's having a shocker. His second yellow was always a yellow; you can't get upset that the referee didn't get that one wrong too.

 

[true believer]

No, I don't have to "acknowledge the context". If you're on a yellow you have a responsibility to not be dumb, regardless of whether the referee's having a shocker. His second yellow was always a yellow; you can't get upset that the referee didn't get that one wrong too.

that might be vaguely relevant if the ref was even remotely in control . he wasn't everyone knew it .
he was always gunna red card one of our guys after his eyes glazed over .
maybe you can even categorize this as the Williams syndrome .
"you f'k up , you blame the victim "

 

[MagpieMariner]

I saw the replay of Fitzy's jump and it was later than a suburban train. Had to be a yellow, regardless of what's gone before, or how incompetent the ref is.

 

[Capn Gus Bloodbeard]

So you think simulation was the incorrect decision? I haven't seen a good view of it. I didn't think anybody seemed to argue the point though, including him...

A much improved effort defensively meant we were not chasing to get back into the game.

b) the refereeing was disgraceful as was the linesman on the no penalty decision

Out of interest (and because I can never resist offering a completely unwanted opinion ), AR's at all levels are taught to only intervene if it's clear the referee didn't have a view of it (eg if the referee's view was blocked by another player). Especially on something as drastic as a penalty decision. That means when the referee has got it wrong, but if he's had a clear view, it's still on him. There's a logic to this - as the AR you'll generally recognise that odds are the referee has had the better view of an incident in the middle and if the AR thinks there was a foul it's usually because he had an inferior position.

Overall it probably works better that way - sure, it didn't help incidents like this, but the AR flagging every time it looks to him like there's a foul would probably, overall, end up with a whole stack of other incorrect decisions. More a 'least worst' way of thinking than a perfect way of thinking. Leaves the AR in awkward situations at times, of course, but I don't think that overall, increasing overall involvement would necessarily be a good thing - and you can't do away with that by saying 'only if he's sure', seeing as that's already how he should be flagging.

Having said that, there's no reason why the AR can't use the wireless comms to have a quick word in the ref's ear - although we don't know that this didn't occur. Wireless comms should be what helps to plug the gap here, but I'm not convinced it is.

Aside from video replay, even having those hilarious Additional Assistant Referees off the goal line would probably have been the only benefit here

Having said that, even the AR made a couple of errors, such as flagging for offside when the defence intercepted before the player touched the ball (not offside when that happens!). Surprising sort of mistake given he's quite experienced on the HAL.

I heard somewhere that apparently the ref thought there was a touch on the ball - even a glancing touch should still have been a penalty though, so whether the keeper may have got a pinkie on the ball is irrelevant. Not sure if that's what he saw, or if somehow he thought the completely completely, solidly got the ball. Who knows. Frustrating, because I agree that the only reason Fitzy got sent was in frustration at this (that sort of thing happened a few times - at the end on of our players copped a kick in the gut, no foul, got frustrated and retaliated in a foul and got booked. Need some real guidance on the field in games like this, though it's hard to keep focussed on the game. We've all seen it happen plenty of times in local games.

 

[true believer]

I saw the replay of Fitzy's jump and it was later than a suburban train. Had to be a yellow, regardless of what's gone before, or how incompetent the ref is.

the responsibility for control of the game is the ref's . at that point he should have stopped the game
and called the captains out and issued a general caution . instead he compounded the situation he created.
then blamed the victim . there was always only one way this imbecile was going to regain control and that was red carding one of our guys . this is self evident I believe .

 

[Capn Gus Bloodbeard]

so you dismissed the 1st and 2nd mistakes then want to blame the victim on the 3 rd ?

Well, regardless of the referee's error, he needs to have the self control not to lose his control as a result, do something stupid. It may have been understandable, but he's still the one who lost his focus and came in with a very late challenge. Saying he was responsible for that one doesn't mitigate the referee's error before it. Even in midair though he seemed to have realised what he had done, but it was too late.

Not the first player on our team to do something silly while on a card, and not the last. The same argument could be made for pretty much any 'second yellow', and usually they don't come after that sort of denied penalty...

 

[true believer]

I get it . you get punched in a pub then have to pay for the round because you knocked the drinks over
when you fell back .
cheers

 

[dibo]

Well, regardless of the referee's error, he needs to have the self control not to lose his control as a result, do something stupid. It may have been understandable, but he's still the one who lost his focus and came in with a very late challenge. Saying he was responsible for that one doesn't mitigate the referee's error before it. Even in midair though he seemed to have realised what he had done, but it was too late.

This!

 

[true believer]

I get it . you get punched in a pub then have to pay for the round because you knocked the drinks over
when you fell back .
cheers

that

 

[dibo]

I get it . you get punched in a pub then have to pay for the round because you knocked the drinks over
when you fell back .
cheers

That would be the case *if* what Fitzy did for the second yellow wasn't wrong. He didn't trip and fall after being punched, he made a stupid challenge. The correct analogy is that a person is thrown out of a pub for being an innocent bystander to a fight, but is then arrested outside for punching someone. The hypothetical person is still responsible for the punch, and the punch is wrong at any time of day or night.

 

[Capn Gus Bloodbeard]

I get it . you get punched in a pub then have to pay for the round because you knocked the drinks over
when you fell back .
cheers

I literally don't think I've read a worse analogy in my life

 

[true believer]

so your having problem pressing a point . one might say a bit of a straw man being called .

 

[Capn Gus Bloodbeard]

Actually, I can play the analogy game.

What happened would be more like Fitzy cops a warning off the bouncer after he's being a bit too creepy with the girls at the club (maybe a harsh accusation from the bouncer, maybe not). A little while later, somebody clatters into one of his mates and knocks him over the table, spilling his drink. Him and his mates reckon it was a drunk idiot trying to start something and doing it deliberately, the bouncer didn't really see so couldn't tell whose fault it was, so didn't do anything about it.

Fitzy stands there fuming for a bit, then a little while later just goes up and shirtfronts one of the guys mates while standing in line for a drink. Realises the stupidity of his actions and lets go before he does anything too aggressive, but he's already pulled the bloke off balance, the bouncer has seen and is on his way over to be turfed out.

Understandably so

so your having problem pressing a point . one might say a bit of a straw man being called .

huh?

 

[true believer]

in every instance the victim here is the one blamed , metaphorically speaking .
of course the conjecture over the issue of the ref probably going to red card one of ours guys regardless .
won't be addressed by either party .