RD 19 Mariners V P Ants

[nebakke]

Hutch doesnt track back.....he plays just in front of the defence and often plays in line so we have a back 5.

When we're in defence, he still plays in front of the CBs, there's not much difference, I'll give you that, but it's there... More to the point though, he doesn't just stand there and wait for Reddy to do something with the ball.

I think I made the comment somewhere on here after the NS game, that I noted Tesco, screaming his head off at Reddy several times, for preferring to kick the ball long when Tesco was right there, waiting... That day, everyone else moved high for some reason...
On Friday, Zac and Bosnar were shut down almost straight away whenever they actually did ask for the ball, if they didn't have a man straight on them, he was on them the second the ball was passed, leading to the ping-ponging between Ando and Reddy, we needed someone to come down and offer another option, Hutch would've done that.

Do you think we would have won with hutcho playing??????? LOL

Our midfield was outclassed and our movement is non existent......both consistent with every game Hutch plays.

Having said that Monty was shite.

Don't be obtuse, you can make improvements to our performance on Friday without it being the thing that makes the difference... There was more than one thing wrong, if you reckon you could fix that game with a single change on our side, I'd be very interested to hear what it is. If anything, this game proves that you can't blame Hutch for all of the mistakes and/or bad things that have happened during this season.

Personally, I'm leaning towards that idea of returning to something akin to the 4-4-2 with two DMs... Maybe have Hutch and Caceres swap at around 50/60 - Caceres with fresh legs and less swamped might work well.
It means though, that there's a hella-lotta-work for Fitz and Bernie potentially, but it also acknowledges that we don't have a #10, so let's see how we go without and maybe instead send Duke and Matty up the front...

 

[nebakke]

Oh... ONE positive... Kim's corners got us more consistently close to doing something worthwhile with the corners, than I think we've ever been... Except for the one that almost went out on the other side

 

[Gratis]

if Kim settles in the way it's hoped he could be the McGlinchey we're missing. that said the rest of the team is not there currently and needs time, and probably another pre season, to really hit their straps
looks like hard times for the immediate future. at least we've still got that game in hand eh? just have to play it amongst a busy acl schedule
on that the acl will do one of 2 things imo - force the boys to shift up a gear and really kick start the new squad gelling and firing
or it'll stretch them way too thin and lead the season to a fluttering failure (MC will then rue his hardline financial calls when a large proportion of the 5000 plus members he challenged to join up don't renew. I know he can't throw money away and couldn't control a lot of what's happened this year but you have to keep the product decent if you want to keep selling it)
at the very least this acl could have some embarrassing results. I'm just hoping I'm wrong and they click into some form soon like they managed to before losing McBreen and Trent, aka the bridge too far

 

[midfielder]

The A-League is constantly evolving and every team aside from us is stronger this year than before...

The P Ants / Nix / Heart today / Roar / PG have also hugely increased their coaching talent ...

I think Mossey is right when he said we need to rebuilt the squad thus a rebuilding year... his test will come on being able to select a system and squad to match his system...

When the Jesters get their young squad with a little more experience they are going to be something...

We have been very lucky to have had the best coach ... as in all businesses the others have caught up and unlike prior seasons we don't have juniors stepping up...

Just as an aside the side has not changed that much ... Macka arrived late and played a few games ... Since Trent left we have leaked goals and structure coming from the backs has not been of the same standard... sorta makes you appreciate how good he is...

 

[dibo]

I'm not going to worry.

We look wobbly *at the moment*; we're having a particularly iffy couple of weeks in a somewhat iffy year. In the last 12 weeks, we've lost a coach and we've lost (through injury or transfer) something like seven players with four or five coming back the other way. It's no great surprise we've got the wobbles.

If these sorts of wobbles came out of the blue then we'd have cause for serious worry.

In the meantime, we're still well in with a shout to finish top three (which gets us a AFCCL qualifying spot) and not even out of it for second. If that's where we sit with 8 games to go in a shit year, then consider how lucky we are to be Mariners fans.

We could always have been scum fans:

2010/11:
Us: 2nd place (8pts from lead), Grand Final never actually happened for reasons lost in the mists of time, qualified for Asia.
Them: 7th (22pts behind us, 30pts from lead), no finals.

2012/13:
Us: Premiers, lost prelim on penalties, qualified for Asia.
Them: 7th (16pts from lead), no finals, no Asia.

2012/13:
Us: 2nd place (3pts from lead), Champions, qualified for Asia.
Them: 8th (23pts behind us, 26pts from lead), no finals, no Asia.

This year isn't our best year, or even a particularly good year, but we're still ahead of them.

 

[Wombat]

When we're in defence, he still plays in front of the CBs, there's not much difference, I'll give you that, but it's there... More to the point though, he doesn't just stand there and wait for Reddy to do something with the ball.

I think I made the comment somewhere on here after the NS game, that I noted Tesco, screaming his head off at Reddy several times, for preferring to kick the ball long when Tesco was right there, waiting... That day, everyone else moved high for some reason...
On Friday, Zac and Bosnar were shut down almost straight away whenever they actually did ask for the ball, if they didn't have a man straight on them, he was on them the second the ball was passed, leading to the ping-ponging between Ando and Reddy, we needed someone to come down and offer another option, Hutch would've done that.



Don't be obtuse, you can make improvements to our performance on Friday without it being the thing that makes the difference... There was more than one thing wrong, if you reckon you could fix that game with a single change on our side, I'd be very interested to hear what it is. If anything, this game proves that you can't blame Hutch for all of the mistakes and/or bad things that have happened during this season.

Personally, I'm leaning towards that idea of returning to something akin to the 4-4-2 with two DMs... Maybe have Hutch and Caceres swap at around 50/60 - Caceres with fresh legs and less swamped might work well.
It means though, that there's a hella-lotta-work for Fitz and Bernie potentially, but it also acknowledges that we don't have a #10, so let's see how we go without and maybe instead send Duke and Matty up the front...

Obtuse....that's a word you don't hear in Australia very often. Good work.

My point is ...the muppets suddenly claim that our woeful performance was because Hutcho didn't play.....wake up.

Our shape has been terrible all year.
Our system has been terrible all year.
The system was devised due to our lack of quality in midfield.
Why do we need 2 defensive midfielders?

I'm not sure how to fix the back 4 but I have a feeling that Griff2 and Bosnar (who was poor against Adelaide) might be more solid.

Why play this park the bus shit every week when we can't even defend properly.

IMO the midfield should be Monty Kim bernie and Fitz.

With Duke and Simon upfront.

442.

 

[dibo]

Our shape has been terrible all year.
Our system has been terrible all year.
The system was devised due to our lack of quality in midfield.
Why do we need 2 defensive midfielders?

What shape did we play last year Wombat?

 

[tsd]

Rubbish.....to what a 0.0 draw??

Never mind, continue the blind hate for our championship winning captain

 

[tsd]

My point is ...the muppets suddenly claim that our woeful performance was because Hutcho didn't play.....wake up.

Our shape has been terrible all year.
Our system has been terrible all year.
The system was devised due to our lack of quality in midfield.
Why do we need 2 defensive midfielders?

If the shape is terrible and we don't need 2 DM's, why did it win us a championship last season?

Do you also think that the estimated 70% of all professional teams that are now using the 4231 including Real Madrid and champions league winners Bayern Munich are doing so due to lack of quality in midfield?

 

[pjennings]

The problem is not the shape - it is the players we have lost. We just don't have the cattle.

We have lost two CBs in Pat Z and Tesco that were very comfortable on the ball playing out from the back that could also send a pinpoint long ball and switch the attack. Losing Maty means that we very rarely go on the attack quickly from the GK. That in turn means that the FBs are not pressing forward as much as they did last year. Rogic, then Macca last year and Flores this year as well as Wee-Mac last year and at the start of this year could hold onto the ball and bring others into play. This happened even against teams that pressed against us. Without those outlets we are constantly being hemmed in within our own half and because the full backs are often deep we don't break at the same speed as last season.

This doesn't mean everything is doom and gloom. We still can and should make the finals. After that everything is a lottery. However, with the few spots remaining for next season we have to go for quality and strengthen the squad. A keeper that can distribute well, a starting CB that is comfortable on the ball, Flores to return from injury and Wee-Mac to return from loan plus a quality striker and we will be near the top again.

 

[sydmariner]

If the shape is terrible and we don't need 2 DM's, why did it win us a championship last season?

cos the drivebys are a bogan team full of douchebags who think that they're wonderful when really there just shit

 

[tsd]

cos the drivebys are a bogan team full of douchebags who think that they're wonderful when really there just shit

The only thing going for them is they play the same formation as us

 

[sydmariner]

The only thing going for them is they play the same formation as us

Unlike them we don't play a with a different team every week

 

[nebakke]

Obtuse....that's a word you don't hear in Australia very often. Good work.

NOT TRUE! My wife uses it ALL the time when she's talking about me

My point is ...the muppets suddenly claim that our woeful performance was because Hutcho didn't play.....wake up.

Ah, fair enough then, that's not me though

The system was devised due to our lack of quality in midfield.
Why do we need 2 defensive midfielders?

Because we rely heavily on our defence and obviously the defenders alone can't cut it right now

I'm not sure how to fix the back 4 but I have a feeling that Griff2 and Bosnar (who was poor against Adelaide) might be more solid.

Good lord! Are you trying to get us all killed?... Or at least deliberately TRYING to have use plays under the Jesters!? I don't get the Ando hate that I'm starting to see, of our defensive options - sans Tesco - he's by far the one that I am the most comfortable with... He might not be directly to blame but, Bosnar was directly involved in both of the Adelaide goals last week and, from memory, at least one of the Victory ones. For mine, Seip actually looked better when he came on... MUCH more movement... That's not to say that he should come on, personally, I suspect out best option, like it or not, might be Chesty/Griff2 OR the current setup, to give Bosnar a chance to settle in. But Griff2 is not an option for now and, from the sound of the facebook report, did a pretty horrendous tackling job on the weekend.

Why play this park the bus shit every week when we can't even defend properly.

Why play it at all?... Tbf I don't actually think we park the bus as much as we are accused of, it's just that we're not very good at getting the ball back... Parking the bus is the second half against MV, last year, after Dutchie got the second yellow... THAT's parking the bus... At worst, what we do these days, is park a mid-sized Sedan
It is, and has been, the single biggest frustration though, you're right, that we go up one goal and suddenly seem happy to sit back and wait... It's insane AND insanely frustrating... It's not something Mossy brought though, we used to do it under Arnie as well... I'm guessing it comes with the work to focus on our defensive structure - they need to work to losen it up a bit.

IMO the midfield should be Monty Kim bernie and Fitz.

With Duke and Simon upfront.

442.

AH! Something we could probably agree on... Not my preference, but progree none-the-less... Although, isn't Kim a LW? I know we have high hopes for him, but he seems to be getting talked up like the Asian ADP - I think we might need to settle down a bit... I'm not quite sure where the high expectations came from... I never saw anything to build it, in the interviews Mossy gave about him, but somehow ALL the focus has just gone to the one, relative unknown... Aren't we supposed to have gotten that #10 guy from the NSWPL?

How about something like:

NO GOALS

Reddy
Roux Chesty Griff2/Bosnar/Seip Rosie
Monty/Hutch <-- Perhaps worth Subing for some energy to the lone DM
Fitz/Mile Bernie/Kim <--- These as substitutions obviously
#10WAZZIZNAMEFROMSYDNEY
Dukie Matty

GOALS GALORE

 

[Big Al]

You want him to take the goal kicks & have a shot too Al?

Yep - Might at least give the keepers something do

 

[Big Al]

Just need to stay in the race now & get some cohesion & confidence. Oppositions are still scared of us for now

Bad Start - Intergrating Flores, Sieve was shit changed left backs like chicks at Pulse.

Arnie left Mossy took over - tried some changes - out of whack mentally for a few weeks

Finally decided on some FB's - Tesco & Ando - Started winning - Moved up to 3rd & had two chances to pick up points to overtake WSW

Lost Tesco Lost McBreen in more controversy & lost a 1-0 lead in Brisbane

Now trying to implement the reinforcements & can't handle a press.

Just need to leave things & tighten them up again as we have done all year not to much change.

& stop playing against teams who press. We should just forfeit those games.

Caceras Monty was showing promise before this game & must be persisted with however when playing high pressing teams like Roar & AU Hutch must play.

The Duke is getting the same crap service as Simon.

I'd go 442 for a while if we were going to change (Which we all know we aren't)

Reddy
Storm, Ando, Bosnar, Rose
Ibini, Caceras, Monty, Fitzy
Korean & Simon

Possible change up's Hutch in for Caceras making the reverse the first change
Duke & Simon swap or play them together & drop Korean into Fitzy & make fitzy 2nd change

 

[iEatHands]

Just noticed..

Fitzy, Rose and Simon all got their 5th Yellow in this game..

Monty is 1 off his 5th.

 

[bikinigirl]

Just noticed..

Fitzy, Rose and Simon all got their 5th Yellow in this game..

Monty is 1 off his 5th.

. bloody hell. hutch to left back then?

 

[nebakke]

Just noticed..

Fitzy, Rose and Simon all got their 5th Yellow in this game..

Monty is 1 off his 5th.

Holy crap! I knew about Matty didn't realise the rest... With Griff2 on a red, it's going to be tough to cover defence, going to need Seip methinks... And the new guys to cone out firing...

 

[sydmariner]

Seive