RD 19 Mariners V P Ants

[ballantyne]

... Can't pass the ball at the same time as you run to receive the pass ;-)

You can, and furthermore you can trap a long high pass close to your body while under heavy pressure from your marker, as demonstrated by Mabil.
The technical ability our players don't have is going to be glaringly exposed this ACL.

 

[BrisRecky]

I dunno how they didnt, but Adelaide should of done us by 5....it wasn't our sterling defence, of that much im sure...i also think its unfair to blame Bosnar or to bag him cause he hasnt ripped one of those 100+km specials yet...SO...i think its season over, forget silverware...the boys are better off sussing each other out for a better 2014/15 season, in my humble

 

[nebakke]

You can, and furthermore you can trap a long high pass close to your body while under heavy pressure from your marker, as demonstrated by Mabil.
The technical ability our players don't have is going to be glaringly exposed this ACL.

You mean when Mabil lost control after almost trapping it and fired it into the stands? ;-)

I do agree... I'm not saying that he is brilliantly skilled... At all! I'm saying that he's still been better for the team in the last couple of games than most of the rest...

 

[nebakke]

I dunno how they didnt, but Adelaide should of done us by 5....it wasn't our sterling defence, of that much im sure...i also think its unfair to blame Bosnar or to bag him cause he hasnt ripped one of those 100+km specials yet...SO...i think its season over, forget silverware...the boys are better off sussing each other out for a better 2014/15 season, in my humble

Personally at least, I don't have a problem with him not having scored of one... It's getting predictable already, sadly, but one of these days it'll hit the target and take keeper with it into the goal and I'll love it ;-)

But again... He was involved in both of their goals and he's a bit heavy handed.

 

[MagpieMariner]

Casting my mind back to the previous incarnation of Matt Simon, I don't believe he is, or ever was, a lone striker. He had his best year with us when Sasho was beside him; when Sasho fell out of favour, Matty's scoring dried up. The season he went to China, he had Big Mac & Macca beside him. We've got to get someone to run with him now if we expect him to score lots for us, in my book that's Duke. What sort of formation do we need to make that happen? Don't know, but the Club brains trust need to work it out. Otherwise we'll be down the bottom with Scum & Smurfs; I can't comfortably pick us to beat anybody else this season. As Fozzy said last night on SBS, we have been eviscerated & we won't get over that any time soon without something changing.

 

[BrisRecky]

as much as i dislike Craig Foster, you have to agree with him on us being gutted and that a philosophical reworking is required

 

[bikinigirl]

We've got to get someone to run with him now if we expect him to score lots for us, in my book that's Duke.

. hmmm ... i had been having similar thoughts but was wondering where the wacky ideas thread was to post it

. when matty came back he seemed to get a lot of game time even though he didn't appear to be 'ready'. similarly macca got a lot of game time when many on here were suggesting he needed a rest. dukie on the other hand seems to be struggling for game time and i can't help but think that is exactly what he needs

. matty often appears to be the only player with the energy to get through 90 minutes and dukie still appears lost out wide ... probably more so when he only gets on for 10-20 minutes

. my wacky suggestion: play matty up front with dukie as a false-9 (somebody please correct me if i have got the terminology wrong) ... worth a try until kim is match fit?

 

[Roy Law]

A false 9 to go with our false 10. That's what we need: a couple of falsies up front

 

[eenfish]

A false 9 to go with our false 10. That's what we need: a couple of falsies up front

To go with out false defence and false ball possession...

 

[bikinigirl]

A false 9 to go with our false 10.

. that was kinda my point ... our other options have been so successful ... at least we'd have energy in 'the hole'. i have often wondered when commentators referred to 'the hole' ... recently our hole has been so glaringly obvious, i finally get it

 

[Wombat]

Oh, and I think Dibo is being pretty heavily vindicated here... Without Hutch we have none tracking back to pick the ball up from defence...

Hutch doesnt track back.....he plays just in front of the defence and often plays in line so we have a back 5.

Do you think we would have won with hutcho playing??????? LOL

Our midfield was outclassed and our movement is non existent......both consistent with every game Hutch plays.

Having said that Monty was shite.

 

[Wombat]

We need to be starting Duke and Bernie upfront, not Matty. Fitz on one side and Sterj on the other, Kim/Caceres top of diamond.
Hutch or Monty bottom. If it's Monty or Caceres, they have to take up on a bit more of Hutch's composure and safety first attitude that he gets so much flack for, or when temas press well, we'll get completely mauled in possession stats like we did tonight.

Duke on the bench is a travesty and must change. FFS, stop diving in. Terrible defending, and they all know better.

Sterj is part of the problem. He has more quality on the ball than alot of the squad but no movement and with no one around him willing to move into space he is rendered a passenger.

Caceras doesnt look top drawer at this stage.

I do like the idea of Duke and Bernie starting together but i also like the thought of Simon and Duke starting together rather than this insipid single striker crap.

 

[Wombat]

Last season as well. It's obvious within 10 seconds of play it's not a dimond

It's only been 2 games but bosnar is extremely underwhelming. Seip made obvious mistakes but bosnar is just lost out there.

Kim looks good

The Hutch debate is dead. He is crucial

Rubbish.....to what a 0.0 draw??

 

[Wombat]

We were so bad again i'm not going to give a 321.
Bernie was my MOM.
Everyone else was terrible.
Even Mossy gibbering on that we dominated the second half was scary!
The defence is tragic. The midfield is slow, lazy and has poor touch.
Simon...the poor bugger is left isolated in what passes for our attack.

Adelaide are streets ahead of us as a Football team atm.

 

[Kareem]

I thought fitzie stood out 2nd half.
Haven't really believed the hype with him thua far

Anderson is getting on my nerves

Rose needs to be dropped, but he is lucky we have no depth
Eventually he will be suspended...

 

[Forum Phoenix]

Sterj is part of the problem. He has more quality on the ball than alot of the squad but no movement and with no one around him willing to move into space he is rendered a passenger.

Caceras doesnt look top drawer at this stage.

I do like the idea of Duke and Bernie starting together but i also like the thought of Simon and Duke starting together rather than this insipid single striker crap.

Yeah I agree with that. I think movement of Cernak and Bernie on the flanks, with Duke and Simon upfront with Kim or Perhaps even Fitz at ten might see us moving in teh righ direction. At the very least... we are more likely to be moving... Also like to see us revert to pressing in packs again. Been a long time.

 

[Muppet]

Casting my mind back to the previous incarnation of Matt Simon, I don't believe he is, or ever was, a lone striker. He had his best year with us when Sasho was beside him; when Sasho fell out of favour, Matty's scoring dried up. The season he went to China, he had Big Mac & Macca beside him. We've got to get someone to run with him now if we expect him to score lots for us, in my book that's Duke. What sort of formation do we need to make that happen? Don't know, but the Club brains trust need to work it out. Otherwise we'll be down the bottom with Scum & Smurfs; I can't comfortably pick us to beat anybody else this season. As Fozzy said last night on SBS, we have been eviscerated & we won't get over that any time soon without something changing.

I certainly agree with your sentiments regarding the need to have two playing up front. It raises the issue of moving from our current formation of 4-2-3-1 to a 4-4-2. Given the players we have and the turnover that we have also had it may be best to go back to basics. Having the lone striker has not worked for us this season.

My issue is that we don't appear to have a striker who is feared or of the quality of other teams. Look at our goals for and it paints a pretty ordinary picture. I put this down to the fact that we have lost so much quality in the mids. WeeMac was the engine who drove the team and we have not had anyone step up to take the reins. With WeeMac we had someone who a. would take on players in a one on one situation, b, showing attacking intent, and provide those beautiful balls which created so many chances for us to convert. Lets hope Yeung-Song settles in and provides that spark.

In relation to Josh he looks tired and in need of a spell. In seasons gone by when he would motor down the wing there would be another player who would cover for him and allow him to get back into position. It doesn't seem to be happening to the same extent this season.

The passing out from the back needs to improve. With the game on Friday Reddy would almost constantly pass to Anderson who would then pass back to Reddy by which time the Adelaide players started pressing hard. It was like you knew we would go with this option 90% of the time therefore Adelaide could apply pressure early.

Lets also face it that Monty and Hutch are our best option in the DM positions. Hutch may not be the favoured son but he knows his role and works hard to break up play. I didn't see the same with Caceras. To be honest I think Caceras needs to be pushed up the park. He has good feet and appears wasted in a DM role.

All up Mossy has a lot to think about how to get the best out of our current squad. Our current formation and tactics don't appear to be working so maybe it's time for a change.

 

[bikinigirl]

I put this down to the fact that we have lost so much quality in the mids. WeeMac was the engine who drove the team and we have not had anyone step up to take the reins. With WeeMac we had someone who a. would take on players in a one on one situation, b, showing attacking intent, and provide those beautiful balls which created so many chances for us to convert. Lets hope Yeung-Song settles in and provides that spark.

. imo our biggest issue is what players like the wee-man gave to other players. to over-simplify things he made others look good or covered for their deficiencies ... and this is partly true. what it did do was allowed them to focus on the things that they did best without messing with their heads or their overall game ... and that of the team

. all the little things that that takes away from the team as a whole has a huge impact on confidence and the flow-on effects compound the issue

. for example (and this is not intended as a criticism of targeted attack) ... but the wee-man was our action man - involved in everything. if he had a quiet spell, someone like mile would step up his game for a period. but mile can't maintain that level of impact for lengthy periods like the little fella could which only compounds when you consider he may be too knackered to provide those moments of brilliance that could be drawn upon before. it makes it easier for us to lose shape and be exploited by any half-decent team

. its a bit difficult for me to articulate but hopefully you get the drift

 

[ballantyne]

Just watched the highlights. OMG we were so bad in every department. Unable to hold the ball because low in confidence and heads down. Central defence strangers. Left wing impotent. Tough times but we'll bounce back.

 

[gull]

Just watched the highlights. OMG we were so bad in every department. Unable to hold the ball because low in confidence and heads down. Central defence strangers. Left wing impotent. Tough times but we'll bounce back.

Why put yourself through the pain .

For me that game has gone to the same place as that Brisbane game that never happened...