R27 - F3 Derby CCM vs Jets (That's all folks!)

[Wombat]

I quite literally experienced exactly this last week the morning of the wsw game

Same result.....next season let's slap them.

 

[Wombat]

Love to hear the 3 apologists take on today's game?
(Dibs, AM and Timmah)

 

[midfielder]

At some point the coach must own or be held responsible for structure and performance.

I posted in the TW out thread I watched the backs tonight and our midfield defence.

Some of the errors occurred all night the worst was Micky Neil was constantly a meter and often two meters behind his central defenders this created havoc when balls were played to their right our left as the backs and the mids tacking across and on the back foot .... it created a huge amount of space on our right and we could not close the pathway to their wide runners on our right and we were cut up like tossed salad. It was obvious Ascroft was being torn apart yet we did not offer any support nor close down angles for him.

Josh as a central back in the A-League ... thats just sad I like Josh arguably one of our best ever but his time has come and to play him as a central defender ... words fail me.

In defence Liam Rose seems lost not knowing what to do and Monty a great spoiler but not a play maker.

Either there was no comment by the coach or Micky Neil ignored his instructions but his inability to stay level or in front of his central defender is something you would drop a local club grass roots player...

We had no idea tonight how to defend .. 70 goals and 4 goals per game in the last 3 weeks ...

I can't see decent players wanting to play for us with TW as coach...

Out of left field Harry Red is free after his Jordon contract ... OK he is 70 but two years on the coast living must be better than Pommie land ... and in two years he could create something special I think.

 

[Forum Phoenix]

Usually gutted, definitely never been happy for a season to be over before.

No time to rest. Club needs to use every minute between now and the opening round of next season working to ensure a season like this will never happen again. We'll have other bad ones to be sure - but they don't have to be that bad.

They should have learnt a very great deal the HARD WAY this season. And what needs to be done, (and also not done) should be clear – as the lessons aren't just written on the wall – they've been carved into the floor and ceiling.

I think they need to make a statement on intent, and show strong ambition on the field for next season ASAP.

If they plan to try and continue with TW, they also need a sophisticated plan B in place that can be actioned fast if things are not working out by week 6 imo. This year there was clearly no backup/disaster management plan, and obviously not enough budget to execute an effective scramble.

They need to be much smarter about this. Ambitious positive visions they may genuinely have, but they must plan for the worst also and need to get street wise fast.

If they think TW and Hutch are club men who bleed yellow and really believe in their potential to take us forward, then like Wombat suggested, I'd either be bringing in some outside expertise to advise on the rebuilding and consult on the on field approach for next year – and also doing a placement for them OS in the very near future combined with a long term scouting mission and a good size cheque book.

 

[dibo]

Love to hear the 3 apologists take on today's game?
(Dibs, AM and Timmah)

Same as the last 26. Nothing to see here.

Oh, except we should burn bay 16 down and start again.

 

[Blackadder]

I made the mistake of sitting in bay 16 today. I will never make that mistake again. I am so absolutely disgusted with the rubbish coming out of the mouths of some who claim to be fans of the Mariners, especially "we're so shit it's unbelievable." and booing the team and TW when he was shown on the screen. I don't care that you don't like the way we're playing, or that you don't like TW. A true fan keeps that under his/her hat -- vent on here if you must, but not in public at the match. If you can't control yourself, then throw away your colours and support someone else. You are not true fans, you shouldn't be here. F&*%k off and die.

Not to condone the actions, but I guess something born out of frustration of some people at seeing what was a Club that managed to punch well above its weight, undoubtedly hit its lowest ebb.

 

[MagpieMariner]

Not to condone the actions, but I guess something born out of frustration of some people at seeing what was a Club that managed to punch well above its weight, undoubtedly hit its lowest ebb.

I'm just as frustrated as everyone else, but slagging the team & coach in public like that is unacceptable. We're talking about recruiting more experienced players for next year - what sort of success do you think we'll have when they see that sort of shit from the "fans" (and they will, bet on it). It wouldn't surprise me if the better players we have decided to walk - after all, who likes to play in front that shit?
We want a more experienced coach - no-one was prepared to take the job before so what makes you think we'll get one now? It wouldn't surprise me if TW gave us the finger & walked, then what would happen? No coach (only a masochist would come in) and our better players gone - it wouldn't surprise me if MC gave us the finger as well and took the licence down to the shire or Wollongong. Certainly FFA wouldn't argue, save them the bother of setting up a new team there.

 

[JoyfulPenguin]

Well that's that as my first season as a Mariners fan. While at times frustrating I wouldn't trade my experiences for a premiership. Singing and chanting in Geelong and Melbourne was great fun giving Victory a bit of a touch up (for at least the first half) was too. It was a painful season but one that meant something to me. City can have their stars but I'll always be yellow.

 

[shipwreck]

Reminds me of the season just before Arnie came in, meh. Without suffering one can not appreciate victory.

 

[Rowdy]

I'm just as frustrated as everyone else, but slagging the team & coach in public like that is unacceptable. We're talking about recruiting more experienced players for next year - what sort of success do you think we'll have when they see that sort of shit from the "fans" (and they will, bet on it).

Get real.

SYDNEY FC fans have been booing their team AND coach for the last 3 weeks.

WHY ?
for the exact same reason Mariners fans booed last night;
- playing shit football
- not happy with Arnie
- failing to make the finals
- expect better when there supposed to be a ' glamour-club'

Any of the above ring a bell ???

It wouldn't surprise me if the better players we have decided to walk

Yeah ,well that already happened, they all left mid season because they were sick of playing shit football under a coach who wasn't prepared to 'change' and stem the bleeding.

And TW proved them all to have made the right decision to leave. Nothing changed, we've finished last for the first time EVER.

And because of all this- EVERY fan has the right to be pissed off ! AND has the right to express it.

Telling them they're NOT really 'true-fans' for booing and should just 'fcuk-off' is living in denial of a reality that has been playing out in front of your eyes for the last 27 weeks.

- after all, who (players) likes to play in front that shit

And who the hell likes to pay to watch that shit! again why people vent their frustation & boo.

And for the record, I truly feel that the booing IS directed at the club (MC) and its appointment of TW as coach and his subsequent failure, NOT at the players individually or as a Team.

There's a massive difference between the two.

I personally dont blame the players for the totality of what has transpired this season. Yeah, some have had poor games at times, some more than others, some for weeks on end.

It's not your fault as a player when your playing shit that your gaffer is selecting you to play week in week out. Izzo is a case in point.

Ultimately IT is TW's job to make sure that doesn't happen, both for the team as a whole AND for the individual players mentality and development.

 

[LaRass]

Oh, except we should burn bay 16 down and start again.

We should. As much as I believe active support is what makes the game unique, I will never be there. There's no original chants that I've heard, the band does f**k all on game day and all the other clubs take the piss out of us because of it.

 

[Rowdy]

We want a more experienced coach - no-one was prepared to take the job before so what makes you think we'll get one now? It wouldn't surprise me if TW gave us the finger & walked, then what would happen? No coach (only a masochist would come in)

Again some reality please.

My old'man set me straight when getting my first job with the line of advice:

"don't ever forget, everyone's replaceable when it comes to a job & there will always be someone willing to take your job if your not prepared to work to keep it"

There'll be plenty of Coach's wanting the job if Tony gives us the finger (which he wont if he ever wants another job, because he has to grab a bigger shovel AND SHOVEL HARDER!). You have to remember, this IS his first job as a Head Coach.

To further cement this point, Scott Miller from the Jet's, who came from a Strength & Conditioning background in English Football, with zero Coaching experience ......... also has just completed his first season as a Head Coach.

If Miller hadn't have been appointed to the Jets this season, he would most definitely accept the chance to Coach the Mariner's NOW, even after a TW season like this.

Why ??
Just like any other Coach ........ accept the challenge AND PROVE YOURSELF.

If there's an unemployed Coach out there who's too afraid to take on the Mariner's after a season like we've just had, then they're only doubting they're own ability as a Coach and should rightfully jog-on from the job interview.

 

[MagpieMariner]

Rowdy, I hear what you say, but I disagree with you.
I've said my piece, expressed my opinion and I don't resile from any of it, but I won't continue with it. We will just have to agree to disagree.

 

[Rowdy]

Hey Manny_ccm, mate why dont you give us some of your 'pearls of wisdoms' for a change.

You dont post anything ,all we get from you are .....
- 'dislikes'
- ❌'dis-agrees'
and your favourite 'dumb'

 

[soccer mad]

Get real.

SYDNEY FC fans have been booing their team AND coach for the last 3 weeks.

WHY ?
for the exact same reason Mariners fans booed last night;
- playing shit football
- not happy with Arnie
- failing to make the finals
- expect better when there supposed to be a ' glamour-club'

Any of the above ring a bell ???


Yeah ,well that already happened, they all left mid season because they were sick of playing shit football under a coach who wasn't prepared to 'change' and stem the bleeding.

And TW proved them all to have made the right decision to leave. Nothing changed, we've finished last for the first time EVER.

And because of all this- EVERY fan has the right to be pissed off ! AND has the right to express it.

Telling them they're NOT really 'true-fans' for booing and should just 'fcuk-off' is living in denial of a reality that has been playing out in front of your eyes for the last 27 weeks.


And who the hell likes to pay to watch that shit! again why people vent their frustation & boo.

And for the record, I truly feel that the booing IS directed at the club (MC) and its appointment of TW as coach and his subsequent failure, NOT at the players individually or as a Team.

There's a massive difference between the two.

I personally dont blame the players for the totality of what has transpired this season. Yeah, some have had poor games at times, some more than others, some for weeks on end.

It's not your fault as a player when your playing shit that your gaffer is selecting you to play week in week out. Izzo is a case in point.

Ultimately IT is TW's job to make sure that doesn't happen, both for the team as a whole AND for the individual players mentality and development.

Get real.

SYDNEY FC fans have been booing their team AND coach for the last 3 weeks.

WHY ?
for the exact same reason Mariners fans booed last night;
- playing shit football
- not happy with Arnie
- failing to make the finals
- expect better when there supposed to be a ' glamour-club'

Any of the above ring a bell ???


Yeah ,well that already happened, they all left mid season because they were sick of playing shit football under a coach who wasn't prepared to 'change' and stem the bleeding.

And TW proved them all to have made the right decision to leave. Nothing changed, we've finished last for the first time EVER.

And because of all this- EVERY fan has the right to be pissed off ! AND has the right to express it.

Telling them they're NOT really 'true-fans' for booing and should just 'fcuk-off' is living in denial of a reality that has been playing out in front of your eyes for the last 27 weeks.


And who the hell likes to pay to watch that shit! again why people vent their frustation & boo.

And for the record, I truly feel that the booing IS directed at the club (MC) and its appointment of TW as coach and his subsequent failure, NOT at the players individually or as a Team.

There's a massive difference between the two.

I personally dont blame the players for the totality of what has transpired this season. Yeah, some have had poor games at times, some more than others, some for weeks on end.

It's not your fault as a player when your playing shit that your gaffer is selecting you to play week in week out. Izzo is a case in point.

Ultimately IT is TW's job to make sure that doesn't happen, both for the team as a whole AND for the individual players mentality and development.

Hear hear totally agree 100 percent, Not good enough. I was booed for venting my frustration last night with those guys in the white T's with fans who are fine with the shit we have been dished out all season ,the reaction by fans was surprising to accept what we have been served up and expect to digest it and come back for seconds next season . I don't think so.

 

[pjennings]

I will not boo any CCM player when they are trying for the Coast. I don't think that what we have had to endure this season is from a lack of effort or trying by the remaining players. Simply put the squad was out-gunned. At the end of Lawrie's tenure - after we were no chance for the finals the team dropped their bundle and played as if they weren't interested. If I was to boo a Mariners team that is the type of performance I would boo.

 

[Ancient Mariner]

Love to hear the 3 apologists take on today's game?
(Dibs, AM and Timmah)

Fair enough I'll have go.
See posts in Mariners squad heading.

 

[tim...]

I love that if you try to find positives in a negative, negative season that you're somehow labelled an apologist.

We weren't good enough - again - last night, and plenty needs to change. As Dibo said - same as most of the last 26 weeks.

Do you expect us to unload on the club for the sake of it? Do you think the club doesn't already know how awful the season has been? Do you think it's not tough for those responsible?

Bottom line for me is we have a club - people on the Gold Coast and in Townsville for example - they don't.

What's the old cliche? Tough times don't last...

 

[Rowdy]

And if my memory serves me correct, the Gold Coast fans were booing incessantly at the running of their club and it's owner.

And so it is neither a new-thing nor for so many to be screaming 'blue-murder'.

 

[Forum Phoenix]

I understand people not liking the booing, much as I understand why people will want to boo. I may not like it, but I'm not a fan of arguing with reality, because you always lose to it.

We need to accept both extremes of the spectrum without labelling apologists on one end and not true fans on the others so we can find a far more useful middle ground.

Polarising each other will not help the club we all obviously care about. It'll just make it that much harder to get our shit back together.

Club is going to need to address multiple problems and if they prove they're pulling out all the stops to do so and making headway, then we're also going to need to forgive even if we cant forget.

If we can keep our heads through this as a forum, it puts us in good stead moving forward in setting a bar above the vast majority of football support forums and being a strong ally for our club going forward.

Not suggesting we should be soft, but build upon what is most often a forum for passionate informed debate over issues problems - not a polarised name calling circus that constitutes far too much of public life now for my liking.

I say we call it out when it happens on here and aim to be a cut above. Breaking things is easy, fixing them is not. We're all in the same yellow army, we just have arguments about who should be general and which way to win the next battle. Thats cool.

Looking to hang any dissenters or conversely burning down our own fortress are both shit options. So hoping we can do better.