R23 Glory v CCM

[Rowdy]

I read FFC's post as agreeing with the Facebook and Twittersphere posts.

Why else spread it?

The same reason a 'messenger delivers the message to Kings and Queens' - that is to allow said Kings & Queens (you & I ) to be aware of others thoughts, opinions and in this case, someones intentions.

I am neither a user of FB or Twitter, so FFC posting on this forum (another form of social media) that he has seen someone post that they're prepared to NOT renew their families 11 year CCM membership, FFC (whether he's agreeing to it or not) ISN'T undermining the Club, he's just simply making ME aware of others thoughts, opinions and again, in this case their intentions.

 

[Ancient Mariner]

The same reason a 'messenger delivers the message to Kings and Queens' - that is to allow said Kings & Queens (you & I ) to be aware of others thoughts, opinions and in this case, someones intentions.

I am neither a user of FB or Twitter, so FFC posting on this forum (another form of social media) that he has seen someone post that they're prepared to NOT renew their families 11 year CCM membership, FFC (whether he's agreeing to it or not) ISN'T undermining the Club, he's just simply making ME aware of others thoughts, opinions and again, in this case their intentions.

Fair enough, maybe I misunderstood the reason behind the post, and reacted to the perception of dragging the Club down).

Will discuss with FFC. (If I work out what used to be personal messages).

 

[Big Al]

Inconsistency of the referees is very hard to swallow but things like this seem to happen when the chips are down.
Referees are a variable you need to be able to adapt to but sometimes frustration just gets the better of you.

There are very few incidents that we can argue where wrong in the essence that they didn't happen and then the severity of punishment is up for debate but
If a ref is going to be as harsh as he was last night why was it one sided?
In the 2nd half Bingham was running down the right with the defender all over him pulling and tugging him back. Always a yellow but nothing. That and loosing resulted in Bingham kicking someone just because, frustrated indiscipline.
Same for Rose late in the second half an attacker was all over him and not even a free kick so Rose lost his cool from the frustration and gave the referee a deserved gob full for another frustration yellow.

When you are down to 9 players you don't expect the other team to foul as they don't need to but no yellow cards for the full game, when handing them out harshly come on, that's inconsistent poor refereeing.

TW reaction was like being told to pick up the dog poo. A little pissed but oh well it has to be done. Puts no pressure on the referees for make up calls or not to make the call in the first place.

Aloisi Kev and Arnie don't put up with this. Sure they over do it and complain if the grass isn't green enough but they put pressure on the referees constantly. The ref knows shit hits the fan even if the call is right.
I don't necessarily like there behaviour but there is a purpose to it.

I know it's not in the budget but a blow up was needed, even Kenny gave him the sorry mate that was bizarre look as they shook hands.

 

[JoyfulPenguin]

Well that was the second most painful game I've ever watched (Heart's last game will eternally be the first). The first half was good I thought though. Posco was a shining light with both his overlapping runs and interceptions. I thought Roy made some great runs as well. Fabio looks out of confidence, he and Austin really need to press more to take full advantage of Roy's harassing. We need to decide whether we are a counter attacking or possession based team though. We'd build up well to half way and then have Uskok smash it forward aimlessly nearly every time. Austin and especially Garcia going off hurt a lot both should really know better and be leading the younger guys. Izzo did well and wasn't at fault for any goals but his distribution needs to get better. I reckon he can be a great keeper once he gets that right (which can be done shown by Jamie Young). Those saying they will give up their memberships and directing hate towards Charlesworth at least be thankful he listened to you all and didn't move to North Sydney. There's nothing worse than becoming a marketing exercise...

 

[Rowdy]

Same for Rose late in the second half an attacker was all over him and not even a free kick so Rose lost his cool from the frustration and gave the referee a deserved gob full for another frustration yellow.

Rosey being clearly shoved in the back with 2 hands when a cross was sent in by Perth, goes face down in the 6 yard box and Risdon? has a clear header for goal and misses.

Ref see's nothing despite them being the only 2 players in the box.

What was EVEN WORSE, x3 replays of the 'near goal-scoring opportunity' for Perth and NOT ONE comment from Harper & Speed about the clear shove, just unlucky Risdon- oooh the Socceroo love in. blah blah.

Blind Freddy would've seen it.

As they say, it's easy to kick a dog when it's already down.

 

[Rowdy]

Walmsley looks to next season with struggling Mariners:

Central Coast Mariners were on the wrong end of the referee's whistle in a 4-0 defeat to Perth Glory on Saturday night that guaranteed them the wooden spoon, but coach Tony Walmsley is focused on longer term goals.

Central Coast's loss to the now fifth-placed Glory was their sixth straight. They will finish last, despite four games remaining against Sydney FC, Adelaide United, Western Sydney Wanderers and Newcastle Jets.

Referee Adam Fielding handed out eight yellow cards on Saturday - all to Mariners players, with two resulting in penalties and two yielding red cards for Mitch Austin and Luis Castro.

While Walmsley will work with his players on their discipline, he has had enough.

"Our disciplinary record is terrible, it's indefensible and individuals need to recognise when they are on a card they can't be reckless. But I think it's a bit unfortunate with Micky Neill last week and the guys this week," Walmsley said.

"It's not an eight card game and then you start to feel a little bit victimised. You look for fouls that the opponent's dishing out and wonder why they aren't being penalised the same way, but who as a coach wants to be getting involved in that?"

Despite being guaranteed of finishing last, Walmsley is confident the steps made for the future this season will lead Central Coast to being sustainable and successful.

"The players need to grow up quickly. If this doesn't hurt them as professional athletes, then they won't be professional athletes for too long. It's burning everybody," Walmsley said.

"It's definitely not where we thought we would be and it's not where we want to be. But we have made all the right steps off the field to make sure the club is viable and moving toward being the most innovative and entertaining football club in Australia."

Meanwhile, Glory coach Kenny Lowe is focusing on cementing their spot in the top six with a trip to Wellington Phoenix and Newcastle in the next two weeks.

"We will fly into Wellington, play it and go to Newcastle early and have a few days up there just for a change of scenery," Lowe said.

"It was a super trip last time (to Wellington and Sydney). We won both games so if we can do anything like that this time we'll have a happy bunch in the changing room."

 

[Big Al]

"It's not an eight card game and then you start to feel a little bit victimised. You look for fouls that the opponent's dishing out and wonder why they aren't being penalised the same way, but who as a coach wants to be getting involved in that?"

Kev Arnie Aloisi
It's part of the job
Piss poor
Move upstairs immediately

 

[nebakke]

Kev Arnie Aloisi
It's part of the job
Piss poor
Move upstairs immediately

In fairness, both he and Hutch got into it with the fourth official more than a couple of times, last weekend.... I actually half expected Walmsley to get send off at one point... So it's not like he's standing quietly on the sidelines all the time.

 

[Forum Phoenix]

Kev Arnie Aloisi
It's part of the job
Piss poor
Move upstairs immediately

You really think when we're coming last, unable to change that, have been embattled with the media and people waging personal grudges all season – that the thing to do right now is have a big Arnie/Aloisi style whinge about the referees??

Make a few more enemies, open himself up to a fox attack, look like a sore loser, partially justify/reinforce his players lack of discipline and tarnish one of the only things people can't really attack at present... his likability?

Walmsley had a firm but diplomatic dig. Was about as well played as the dire situation he's in could be. Ironically that should actually get him a tiny measure of kudos, not be added as yet another example of why he should be booted.

Arnie and Aloisi have some hand and political currency so they can use it. It's not hard to have a whinge - so it's not a sign of some great skill. The skill is in HOW you do it and WHEN.

If he had a blow up, that's what I would have seen it as a sign that he should be booted. Because that would have been really really dumb. His 'job' is not to be really really dumb.

 

[Capn Gus Bloodbeard]

In fairness, both he and Hutch got into it with the fourth official more than a couple of times, last weekend.... I actually half expected Walmsley to get send off at one point... So it's not like he's standing quietly on the sidelines all the time.

Never understood why managers do that myself. So laughably, utterly pointless - even moreso than abusing the referee. And with this sort of team performance.....abusing the referee is just deflecting responsibility really. Regardless of what the referee has done with earlier decisions, those players still made the decision to commit stupid tackles on a yellow card.

Is that Garcia's second red card?

Kev Arnie Aloisi
It's part of the job
Piss poor
Move upstairs immediately

Kev and Arnie are both a blight on the game with their antics, complete embarrassment to the league. Arnie has no class on or off the field, Kev spends 90 minutes a game stomping his feet and jumping up and down at the 4th official like a petulent child. Don't really agree that it's part of the job - never going to gain anything, thus not really part of the job IMO. I couldn't really consider 'not abusing the 4th official' as even the vaguest hint that a manager isn't doing their job. It's not like we have to look terribly hard to find those signs anyway.

These red cards and the fact that there seems to have been 1 shot on goal (and can barely call it that anyway) in 3 games is a complete embarrassment. May as well start forfeiting if we're not even going to bother trying. Would make for a better experience all round.

 

[midfielder]

Just repeating what I just heard..

Was talking to a women a from Hal 1, member and goes with her family to home games...

She says she will not go to the rest of our home games this year and more than likely will not renew her membership...

I said why and she said when they meaning I guess management get it right I will return but she said I am feed up and what we play now is not A-League standard ...

 

[Capn Gus Bloodbeard]

Yep, there's going to be an exodus of members next season, no doubt. I wonder what the club is going to pull out of their hat to try and boost memberships, or to try and keep existing ones? They're going to have to do something special to minimise the damage...

 

[Myzer]

Just repeating what I just heard..

Was talking to a women a from Hal 1, member and goes with her family to home games...

She says she will not go to the rest of our home games this year and more than likely will not renew her membership...

I said why and she said when they meaning I guess management get it right I will return but she said I am feed up and what we play now is not A-League standard ...

It's seems to be the same sentiment among friends I go to the game with. Pretty much all have said unless there is a noticeable effort to improve during the off season (new signings, new coach, new attitude to winning games) they will not be renewing.

 

[nebakke]

Never understood why managers do that myself. So laughably, utterly pointless - even moreso than abusing the referee. And with this sort of team performance.....abusing the referee is just deflecting responsibility really. Regardless of what the referee has done with earlier decisions, those players still made the decision to commit stupid tackles on a yellow card.

Is that Garcia's second red card?

Nono, wrong game... Weekend before... Garcia didn't get a red at home..

I understand what you're getting at as such but, I think the coaches sometimes get places in a situation where they have to react... SOMEONE has to react... I mean, if you're a coach, watching your players get hacked down, with no protection from the referee, I don't think it's an entirely unreasonable reaction to go to tthe fourth official to complain.

Once that's said, I think it's a bit like the players crowding the ref to complain after a card is given... It seems such a waste of time because it's not like anyone really thinks that he'll rescind it is it?
Then again, I think both responses have as much to do with ralllying the team as it has to do with the actual decision.

 

[Ancient Mariner]

Kev and Arnie are both a blight on the game with their antics, complete embarrassment to the league. Arnie has no class on or off the field, Kev spends 90 minutes a game stomping his feet and jumping up and down at the 4th official like a petulent child. Don't really agree that it's part of the job - never going to gain anything, thus not really part of the job IMO. I couldn't really consider 'not abusing the 4th official' as even the vaguest hint that a manager isn't doing their job. It's not like we have to look terribly hard to find those signs anyway.

And if you think about the backing both these managers get from their clubs in terms of squad spend do you still think they are producing appropriate results?

 

[Capn Gus Bloodbeard]

And if you think about the backing both these managers get from their clubs in terms of squad spend do you still think they are producing appropriate results?

Wasn't commenting on the results, merely responding to the idea that a manager is supposed to be abusing the 4th official and CCM should aspire to abuse the 4th official as much as Kev and Arnie. It's possible to be both a success and a petulent embarrassment to the game ;-)

I don't think it's an entirely unreasonable reaction to go to tthe fourth official to complain.
.

Utterly pointless - what do they think is going to happen? 4th official calls the ref over... "mate, the coach here reckons you're being a bit harsh. How about you let CCM's next few fouls go and just make sure you ping Perth for a couple of things? I mean, he's the coach and all......" I don't see this as 'rallying' the team either. It just encourages them to focus on the referee (which is self destructive no matter how bad the refereeing is), and looks completely unprofessional to boot.

 

[MagpieMariner]

Not having a go at others for their feelings (they're entitled to feel however they want), but I will be back next season. This is my club and I will support it in the only way I can, by putting my bum on a seat. Supporting a club running stone motherless is not a lot of fun, but there's always next year. There were two occasions in years gone by when my team in the other code got the spoon; the following year both times we made the grand final. It's not impossible for it to happen with the Mariners. Things could be very exciting in our near future.
As for giving our coach the flick, Collingwood did that with one of their coaches and he went north and coached Brisbane to a three-bagger (premierships, that is). I'd hate to see that happen here. Let's wait and see if TW really can coach or not -- I defy any coach, even Ferguson to do much better with what TW has had to work with this year.

 

[Big Al]

I'm not saying abuse the 4th official because he is a waste of space. Give it to the ref direct and let the waste of space try and calm you down. Mental manipulation is a strong tool and should absolutely be used and is the manager and captains job. How you go about it is up to the individual.
If the ref ignores it cudos to him for doing a good job but plenty can't.

What are the current consequences of giving two yellow cards or a red to CCM? Nothing a stupid blank stare. So even if the ref was harsh he gets no criticism and therefore does it again next time

Put the pressure on to get the ref to even it up or send someone off from the other team.

 

[Big Al]

As for members not renewing.

No fans no club.

When it improves and is killing it again it will be in North Sydney or somewhere else.

Stop it and back the club or it goes bye bye

 

[Capn Gus Bloodbeard]

Can't entirely blame people for not wanting to spend a stack of money on something that's no longer enjoyable. Of course this situation does certainly sort out the die heard fans from the rest.