R23 Glory v CCM

[Wombat]

We are a shambles.

 

[LFCMariners]

1. Get rid of that God-forsaken palm tree jersey. It is literally the kryptonite of success. You look like shit and you will play like it, too!

2. If/ when Arnie gets the sack from SFC, move heaven and Earth to bring him back. I don't care what the critics say, this squad would be doing a shitload better under his management than what we're seeing, regardless.

 

[Breaker2]

As a 10 year continuous member, that was very, very hard to watch. Let's hope that all the positive talk of late, does provide a more competitive Team next season.

 

[FFC Mariner]

Agree that by punting Fraudsley we would be better organised. However, even Jose himself can't do a lot with players who simply aren't good enough.

 

[BrisRecky]

geez, we were at the leaguesy and me and deb pulled the pin after the second red...so, no shots on target and discipline issue you couldnt jump over (no matter what the snake oil salesman says) and Perth were no great shakes either, gobsmacked doesnt cover it....heaps of people yelling #WalmsleyOut, which wont happen (I think) but whatever happens, this will be his legacy, no matter what happens in the future the coast shall forever remember his first season, we still got what, 4 weeks to go ?, he keeps blathering on about inexperience and senior players leading the way, well the only experience the kids are getting is being flogged and the only thing the senior guys are leading with is red cards..... if it wasnt ugly enough its gonna get worse by the end....you think if we demonstrated at the CoE Mike might sack him

 

[true believer]

I didn't watch it till the morning , 6am start. It was the same stooge that crueled us in the 1st sydney game.

The boyz don't have the heart for it .
The double standard on disipline has been heavy this year.

As exemplifued by ryals unpunished challenge in the 31 minute of the sydney
Game .

We got murdered , again .
For matters waved away , constantly in almost every game i've seen this season.

The guy that refereed the game tonight was paying us back for the bollocking he got in the first game .

Ps f**k arnie ! He shit in the nest .
When he gets the sack , he can jog on.

 

[Gratis]

^^all yep

 

[tim...]

Izzo was actually pretty good tonight. Credit where credit's due.

We put out an arguably very good side. Roy, Austin, Garcia, Ferreira should be formidable.

That first penalty was a dive no doubt about it. The refereeing was abyssmal. Really disgustingly bad. The commentary wasn't much better.

But I can't even blame the refereeing for tonight. Perth actually weren't all that good. Yet still another game without a shot on target. Our discipline was shocking. Our tactics were non-evident, let's say. We don't seem to have a plan, the players don't know what to do when a) or b) happens, and they're like it's preseason and they don't know each other or where to expect each other to be yet.

The game followed the standard pattern of late. First half we're pretty steady but do nothing with it. Second half starts with a red card or injury and we get mauled for the rest of the game.

I don't want to watch that week in week out. I plan to go to the final game against the scum but otherwise I don't intend to watch anymore games this season. I'll record them and if I hear we do better I'll watch it. If it's more of the same I'll pass. I consider myself a pretty rusted on fan so that's a very hard thing to say. I may change my mind after sleeping on it, I usually do, but then again...

We are awful - no two ways about it and we do have a discipline problem. I can't see us competing for the remaining few games but God I hope we have a serious dig on April 9.

That said I have serious, serious questions about last night. We were competitive as hell in the first half - came close a couple of times and might even have made a breakthrough under different circumstances... but then it all fell apart with card after card in the second half.

I looked at the yellow card count and thought, wow that's odd - 8 cards to us and none to them. Guess it shows the extent of the discipline problem (which yes, it does, not denying that at all).

What it also shows is shows how deplorably one-sided the refereeing was. The foul count was 12-all. Even a Perth fan looking at those stats could agree it's ludicrous the opposition picked up NO slices of cheese all night. When we're already backs to the wall and failing miserably - that sort of rubbish is hard to take from the officials. Question has to be asked regardless of our woeful form.

 

[nebakke]

We are awful - no two ways about it and we do have a discipline problem. I can't see us competing for the remaining few games but God I hope we have a serious dig on April 9.

That said I have serious, serious questions about last night. We were competitive as hell in the first half - came close a couple of times and might even have made a breakthrough under different circumstances... but then it all fell apart with card after card in the second half.

I looked at the yellow card count and thought, wow that's odd - 8 cards to us and none to them. Guess it shows the extent of the discipline problem (which yes, it does, not denying that at all).

What it also shows is shows how deplorably one-sided the refereeing was. The foul count was 12-all. Even a Perth fan looking at those stats could agree it's ludicrous the opposition picked up NO slices of cheese all night. When we're already backs to the wall and failing miserably - that sort of rubbish is hard to take from the officials. Question has to be asked regardless of our woeful form.

I have to say, I couldn't help but laugh out loud at the commentary, I think it was just before Austin's second yello - Fab went down just outside their penalty area, ref played advantage - TO PERFF!??.. They went back to replay, with the commentators going on about how there was nothing in it but perhaps it should've gone Fab's way, although Fab wasn't pure as snow either so the ref probably "just couldn't work out what happened an waved it on"... Thing is, at the very beginning of the playback clip, before the incident that they were actually looking at, the Perf player had a good big hand full of Fab's shirt, pulling on him - and noone ever mentioned it.

I try not to be too conspiracy-ish and I totally recognise that we've been sh*t this season, but it also feels like we've had significantly more than our share of more than just generally sh*t referees this season... Looking back, there's been at least three games that I can think of, at Coast Stadium, that has left me and everyone around me frustrated as f*** and entirely without a clue about wtf the ref was doing.
Calls going against us that clearly should've been for us, calls being ignore and what I perceive to be harsh calls, compared to how they are normally called in the league.

 

[true believer]

Perth fans would probably say "it's about time someone else got the shit calls" as god knows through the years they've had some stinkers.
That said i recomend ryals challenge that i believe side lined a player as to an " ffa how come ? "

 

[LaRass]

If Newcastle can get Benítez as a manager who's saying we can't get a better coach?

 

[Forum Phoenix]

Theres no conspiracy to it - refs always favour winners - and you have to be even more impeccable when you're somply not as good as your opposition.

Same team. Same problems/ issues.

Not saying we dont need change. We desperately do. Not saying peoples opions on our performances are wrong. I think they're right. But people's expectations game to game are out of whack if you expect change or give in to hope (to become dashed and further embittered) when change is not possible now.

The ship is broken it has to limp in to port for long and serious repairs. Kicking at our broken mast and tearing at our shredded sail is not going to make any difference except to morale.


Time to pass the rum, sing sad songs, and dream of better days.

 

[kevrenor]

OK, I'm as crook as a dog but that has given me time to ponder.

1. Discipline - The main trouble is the players, young and old, are full of frustration - as bad ref calls, confidence dives going down a goal, and so they get hyped and rush in. Therefore more cards, and ultimately send offs. The first pen was a dead set dive - frustration starts, and confidence dives. They rallied and for the rest of the first half, as an ordinary Glory (on the night) tried to cruise. Note though that no shots on goal! So still a lot to do. Second half, and despite the half-time talk (if there was one) and a chance for the team to rebond and refocus, they come out to more frustration. No one (within the team, or on the bench) seems to be able to turn that around. Austin makes a stupid attempt to run down Chris Harold (whom he should know is probably as fast as him) and when he can't, instead of trying to jocky him so another defender can cover he rushes in (again). Free kick - yep, Yellow - 70/30 maybe. Then Garcia rushes in. It goes to shit. Even sub Bingham makes a meaningless yellow.

2. Cattle - all season we have been 3-5 (depends on your argument) TOP level players light - I am a critic of Walmsley (not personal, just on my take on his real attributes) but no-one can make a silk purse out of a sows ear (as my mum would say). He isn't good enough, but then so isn't the squad. Very unfair to the youngsters.

3. Izzo - probably his best game (mainly as his best (only) feature, shot stopping) was his main activity.

4. Defence - last week (sitting in Bay 7 and then Bay 16) I thought our defence are getting there. I didn't think they were that much at fault tonight. Still need an experience central defender general. Last night after watching Sydney's and Victory's I wouldn't be harsh.

I have a season ticket, despite only being able now to get to 4-5 games a season. Next year I will too ... I've lost too many clubs not to hang in (but then of course I can afford it and most others can't).

 

[FFC Mariner]

What terrified me last night was our shape when Perth had the ball.

Back 4 in a bank of 4. ✅

Everyone else? Bloody nowhere. No shape in midfield like under 5's chasing the ball.

If you are shit, 2 banks of 4, 5/10 metres apart.

This is not Pep or Jose level tactical genius this is Sunday morning basics

 

[FFC Mariner]

Apparently we do have a discipline problem after all.

You couldn't make this shit up could you?

http://www.a-league.com.au/article/...errible-discipline/1gb2tw4kzbkhh1m42dp359dr12

 

[soccer mad]

Like I said on Friday
Same coach same results. We are beyond shit .
I feel for every despondent fan right now . As a fan myself
since day one of our club entry to the a league this has been it's darkest hour . I'm all for changes and freshness and have tried to be optimistic all season for the team , but for all intense and purpose our team is going backwards ,they would struggle in state league .

 

[BrisRecky]

1. Get rid of that God-forsaken palm tree jersey. It is literally the kryptonite of success. You look like shit and you will play like it, too!

2. If/ when Arnie gets the sack from SFC, move heaven and Earth to bring him back. I don't care what the critics say, this squad would be doing a shitload better under his management than what we're seeing, regardless.

a weird shirt is the very least of our troubles

 

[Forum Phoenix]

We've been spoilt. This is not our darkest hour. We're just shit on field. For good and clearly identifiable reasons. And we knew this months ago.

Every season someone comes last. We've been tipped to do so how many times? We need to suck it up - not have a collective dummy spit and talk about our memberships.

Winning is when players show their quality. Spooning is when fans show theirs.

THIS had to happen sometime and its CLEARLY come because we're financially rebuilding. We're not chelsea. We don't have a high quality squad just lying in wait for someone to hit the right combination of buttons to click into gear.

If you join all the dots it doesn't actually spell shit coach yet - it spells not strong enough team due to.... Blah blah on repeat blah, and ONLY when that is ammended can we know if Walmsley is genuinely shit or not. Great coaches can and sometimes do actually have seasons like this.

Truly dark is not an utterly shit season with an inexperienved money-ball squad shit out of luck. It is moving our team somewhere else... Or going bankrupt because we over spent and have the license pulled. Or being run by a pack of uncaring assholes careerists, who will let us die just as long as they get a leg up.

Shithouse on field is what we are.

But there are obvious factors for that. And anyone who thinks that you can take that squad - at this late stage - without a pre season or significant bolstering and get much change from other teams with bigger, better and more experienced squads - right when they're peaking? Sorry but that's just delusional and its causing people to reach for what could very easily be the totally wrong conclusion - when there is every evidence, which we have seen and repeatedly covered, to support exactly why we are performing exactly how we're performing... and it can literally have nothing to do with the coaching.

People keep pointing out basic on field errors as though they're definitive proof of shit coaching - errors which can and typically should be attributed to players if they're basic errors like what we're seeing.

Sorry guys, but basic errors like a midfield that doesn't recover well or hold shape. Basic marking or movent off the ball, poor options decision making errors etc etc... almost certainly have nothing to do with coaching at this level (unless lack of preparation was at fault - which it is but not because TW was a fool)

The fact the mistskes are happening is real. But the idea these aspects have been ignored by the coaching team or are unknown etc is simply ridiculous - I think some people really need to understand this and take it on board.

Walmsley really might be shit. But I know i can't tell because we're making far too many basic mistakes. (Undesirable but expected) Whereas so many people think they can tell because we're making basic mistakes.

People talk about KPI's... But if you're bannanna farm gets hit by a rare disease your p&l's are not going to be a reflection of how good you are at your job. And perhaps more pertently you wont be able to turn those around until next season.

If i was to turn on TW right now at this juncture - it would be because he's actually a dick and thats why we lost our senior players...

I don't believe that.

That only leaves one thing...

Some of his selections / omissions.
Some have been shit and or very questionable. But he's also made some good and brave decisions this year as well. But above all so many have been forced by dissent, suspension, injury and lack of quality/depth and LOSING due to all those things, that any reasonable person who knows football, can look past the pain of spooning and follows our journey closely week to week should be cutting him slack in this area. And i should add we're not in camp. Its not as clear cut on even the poor decisions what other factors may be in play.

Anyhow... thats how I see it. Vote to hang if you must. But i think you're actually ignoring where the evidence points because our woeful performances hurt so much - not just responding to the evidence accurately - like so many seem to think they are.

 

[MrCelery]

Theres no conspiracy to it - refs always favour winners - and you have to be even more impeccable when you're somply not as good as your opposition.

Same team. Same problems/ issues.

Not saying we dont need change. We desperately do. Not saying peoples opions on our performances are wrong. I think they're right. But people's expectations game to game are out of whack if you expect change or give in to hope (to become dashed and further embittered) when change is not possible now.

The ship is broken it has to limp in to port for long and serious repairs. Kicking at our broken mast and tearing at our shredded sail is not going to make any difference except to morale.


Time to pass the rum, sing sad songs, and dream of better days.

Even the bilge pump is not working. Time to man the lifeboats and send up the flares. Er... maybe no flares. Pass me the rum.

 

[Rowdy]

Great coaches can and sometimes do actually have seasons like this.

Aloisi is a perfect example of this.

At Melb.Heart his season was a nightmare for him, yet the same player's 'bounced back' when Van Schip was re-instated ??? That must of been utterly demoralising for him to have those same players turn it around under someone else.

Thought personally JA would be a 'long-time between drinks' for his next coaching appointment, even at State League level.

Look at how the worm has turned for him NOW, he's TOP OF THE LEAGUE! & eyeing a Premiers Plate and following in the footsteps of another example, Postecoglou.

After being at the helm of the Australian Youth system for all those years with nothing but failure, who could've imagined after Foster's scathing on air TV attack that Ange would rise from the ashes to rub Fosters nose in it at Brisb and Melb and now on the World stage, managing the one thing Foster said he was incapable of .... The National Team.

Something for Walmsley to consider.