R23 Glory v CCM

[nebakke]

Utterly pointless - what do they think is going to happen? 4th official calls the ref over... "mate, the coach here reckons you're being a bit harsh. How about you let CCM's next few fouls go and just make sure you ping Perth for a couple of things? I mean, he's the coach and all......" I don't see this as 'rallying' the team either. It just encourages them to focus on the referee (which is self destructive no matter how bad the refereeing is), and looks completely unprofessional to boot.

Just so we're clear - I'm not saying that they should - or did - abuse the fourth official.
In saying that i thick is worth raising when the ref - or linesman- is making a series of atrocious calls to ensure that everyone's aware... Even more so if the ref seems to have lost all ability to see.

At the core of it - what else can they do? We've day through a couple of game where players like Austin copped it bad - with the ref doing nothing, it's only human for the coach to want to look after his team.

 

[pjennings]

As for members not renewing.

No fans no club.

When it improves and is killing it again it will be in North Sydney or somewhere else.

Stop it and back the club or it goes bye bye

That is the reason I will not even think twice before renewing. I have a local football team that plays in the top league in Australia. More than that it has performed over the years better than the vast majority of the teams around the country. If they need my continuing support in tough times so be it - I will be there - because the alternative is nothing.

Do I want things to be better - absolutely. Do I expect things to be better - I hope so.

I can see the club has turned around financially in a big way - but the football has taken a massive hit. The challenge next season is to use the improvements off-field to turn around the on-field performance. Of course the two are linked and the club needs to find a balance that sees us continually improve in both areas.

 

[Forum Phoenix]

Great post PJ.

It's sad though fairly predictable to hear of Coasties talking of dumping their memberships over such a shit season.

I hope that over the next 6 months our fan base learns not to take the short comings of a cash strapped roster and a poor season personally. That and shout "forward' all the time. Even when we're down to ten men with no decent option in front to pass too.... But I think Dibo's suggestion is a very important one that the club should address the membership - and maybe even the broader community via radio and print media - speaking to the awful season we've had and the vision for next season.

It's been very frustrating and very little fun this year to be sure. Complaints and higher expectations are warranted, but this doesn't need to become a tragedy. Pat's right, we are very fortunate to have a team and especially one that has done so well and has also been such a great boon to the region over the years. So many good times and memories. They will assuredly come again - as long as we don't give up and cripple the club.

I think we're a bit proud and prone to a whinge, but we're also a mostly good hearted mob so if they ask forgiveness and shine a bit of light on the future, as they now seem capable of doing... once we've stopped bleeding and had a bit of time to lick our wounds, we should be able to get over it and look forward with renewed hope and excitement.

And nothing is more exciting than a great comeback

 

[Gr8daner]

Long time supporter and just want to express my feelings and thoughts.We are 13 points behind second last and unlikely to pick up any additional points this season.All of this following the debacle of a season last season, which was meant to be a rebuilding season, are we any better this year especially after a full pre season.TW seems like a nice bloke, but he should not be coaching an A league side, that is pretty obvious and as much as Hutch is a club legend his experience at coaching at this level is zero, if he has ambitions to take on the head coach role he should look at getting experience elsewhere and then return if good enough.Yes perhaps our cattle is a bit thin on the ground but I still feel there would be coaches out their who could do better with what we have got.We are so far off the pace of the other teams its cringeworthy, honestly if we go with TW as coach for next year are we going to do any better

 

[pjennings]

Long time supporter and just want to express my feelings and thoughts.We are 13 points behind second last and unlikely to pick up any additional points this season.All of this following the debacle of a season last season, which was meant to be a rebuilding season, are we any better this year especially after a full pre season.TW seems like a nice bloke, but he should not be coaching an A league side, that is pretty obvious and as much as Hutch is a club legend his experience at coaching at this level is zero, if he has ambitions to take on the head coach role he should look at getting experience elsewhere and then return if good enough.Yes perhaps our cattle is a bit thin on the ground but I still feel there would be coaches out their who could do better with what we have got.We are so far off the pace of the other teams its cringeworthy, honestly if we go with TW as coach for next year are we going to do any better

Welcome to the forum!!

I think most of us are pretty frustrated with the football results over the last couple of seasons - both under TW and Mossy beforehand. As to the coaching - I agree with your comments about Hutch. As for TW I am disappointed with the results this year. However, given that his hands were tied behind his back in terms of spend, how many coaches would have taken the gig. While we are led to believe the financial constraints will be easier in the coming season I would like to see if with some 'better cattle' whether TW can cut it. That said - I don't believe the jury will be as patient as this season and many good judges of football on the coast have already cast their vote.

 

[midfielder]

PJ

Cannot agree TW has shown to me at times very poor technical decision making ...

Two recent examples the time he played Garcia up front as a 9 ....

The last home match he left our best defender in Posco on the bench and played arguably our worst defender in Neil [who got sent off] ...

These where IMO technical player decisions so poor they cannot be ignored ... there is a difference between allowing for the squad he has ... and then how he sets the squad to play and where he selects players...

We also need people back... he will not get members back I am aware of 5 people who have told me they are not coming back unless something changes...

Nice guy but let him go back to being a TD... he is excellent in that role....

 

[Gratis]

PJ

Cannot agree TW has shown to me at times very poor technical decision making ...

Two recent examples the time he played Garcia up front as a 9 ....

The last home match he left our best defender in Posco on the bench and played arguably our worst defender in Neil [who got sent off] ...

These where IMO technical player decisions so poor they cannot be ignored ... there is a difference between allowing for the squad he has ... and then how he sets the squad to play and where he selects players...

We also need people back... he will not get members back I am aware of 5 people who have told me they are not coming back unless something changes...

Nice guy but let him go back to being a TD... he is excellent in that role....

This is something I have thought about a few times. The 'head-scratching' decisions. I just can't decide though if they really are rookie errors by the coach or an attempt to try something different.

My thinking goes like this, either:
We lose a few games in a row. Coach changes nothing. Fans are angry.
We lose a few games in a row. Coach changes players (i.e. Garcia to 9) to see if it works. We lose. Fans are angry.

Is it TW trying things when there's nothing to lose or are they genuinely bad calls? What else is happening behind the scenes, did Garcia ask to try it? Was someone carrying a niggle or training well/badly? I just find that stuff a little difficult to call in the context of this particular season. If it was after a big period of stability and moderate results, or so wildly inconsistent as to be blatant (Mossy) then it'd be easy to know.

Not saying it's not, just that I feel I can't personally decide until we have a more stable start to a season next season.

 

[midfielder]

We have to remember he has been at the club a while ... he knew most of the players and I think had the squad for a third of last year and all pre season ...

Its not like we appointed him a month out from the start of the season ...

If I am fair I think the tail end of Moss was better than we have today ... the question I ask is coming last is one thing but where is the tactical improvement.

Shaun and TW have said we plan to but three new senior players for our spine .... thats is good news ...

I just have lost faith in TW's ability because of what I don't see in front of me.

 

[Forum Phoenix]

Garcia was baffling and a very poor decision. But it may have been Garcia's strong suggestion/request.

May not either. But the point is there is precious little we can actually be certain of - which was not the case with Moss.

 

[FFC Mariner]

Sorry but I have felt that TW is not head coach material for some time and he has done nothing to make me change my mind.

Tactical and selection blunders as described above.

Arguably his position is now untenable anyway. He has lost large chunks of our support and that's very hard to come back from

 

[nebakke]

Average results under Moss may have been better by now but... I still feel like the team as a whole is a significant improvement than under Moss.
Under Moss I was nervous every time the opposition had the ball, the defence just felt like a complete mess with noone knowing who goes where and everyone playing each other.
Add to that that the attack was toothless overall.

Attack hasn't exactly been great the last 3-4 games, but until then, I thought they'd been a significant improvement... One thing we had managed to do, was score in just about every game.
Add to that that I think defence now, is a lot more stable than it was at the beginning of the season, or against Moss... We're still leaking goals but my perception is that the big difference is in how we leak them. As I stated, under Moss, we seemed to defend on luck, more than anything. Now, the goals seem to come from a lack of experience or concentration.
I'm not sure if I'm getting this across right, tbh but, I feel like you can almost predict when the goals come now, because you can see the defence coordination slip for a bit... That's bad, but at least it's there, where last season it felt like the coordination was altogether absent...

There... It hink that said it actually

We're still a shambles, but I have to say that I feel like the shambles that we are, is less down to coaching and a failure in the "no d*******s" department than last season.

As an aside on Arnie btw... It's worth bearing in mind that our decidedly mediocre showing started before he headed to Japan, so for anyone so inclined, I'm not at all convinced that he'd do any better either...

 

[Rowdy]

Watched Shoot-Out on Fox after the NewC v WSW game on Sunday, recapping our game and poor performance against Perth both Kossie and Bozza said they "were fed up even talking about the Mariners period".

More interesting to me was when Kossie then went on to say that ......

"I have it on good authority that there are some serious grumblings in the dressing room amongst quite a few of the players".

TW losing the dressing room after what's happened this season wouldn't be any surprise to me

 

[Capn Gus Bloodbeard]

No idea why Bozza seems to have such a passionate, unreasonable hatred against this club. Our very existence seems to be personally offensive to him....

 

[soccer mad]

I've seen enough to know TW isn't up to a league standard and we are a serious football club then we need a new coach and staff ,goalie coach, conditioning coach with a sport science degree ect . And TW as TD and youth scout

 

[FFC Mariner]

Hav

No idea why Bozza seems to have such a passionate, unreasonable hatred against this club. Our very existence seems to be personally offensive to him....

Maybe the high regard he has for Lawrie, Arnie and his little buddy Slater might be it.

 

[Forum Phoenix]

Sorry but I have felt that TW is not head coach material for some time and he has done nothing to make me change my mind.

Tactical and selection blunders as described above.

Arguably his position is now untenable anyway. He has lost large chunks of our support and that's very hard to come back from

I feel like there is a lot of promise in TW the man - and he might still be a victim in this as most problems really could be legitimately attributed to things other than his coaching. It's such a weak squad on balance and half the team are all but strangers to each other - but I do agree that it still may well be untenable. And also that he could be a large part of the problem - I'm just reluctant to hang a good man unless I can be sure he's guilty.

 

[Forum Phoenix]

Hav


Maybe the high regard he has for Lawrie, Arnie and his little buddy Slater might be it.

Old boys network as well as goal keepers union in action here I think.

Bozza loves to be a champion. Which unfortunately always requires a villain to ride out against.

 

[MagpieMariner]

I wonder if Bozza would be a media "pundit" today if we hadn't given him a stint in our goal after he fell into disgrace in England.

 

[Spacks]

No idea why Bozza seems to have such a passionate, unreasonable hatred against this club. Our very existence seems to be personally offensive to him....

Probably because he's seen what this club has done in the past and is disappointed in where we are at now.

 

[Capn Gus Bloodbeard]

Probably because he's seen what this club has done in the past and is disappointed in where we are at now.

The sort of tripe he's coming up with doesn't suggest it's borne out of a deep-seated respect. If that was what he believed he wouldn't be constantly coming up with how we shouldn't even be in the league.