R13 - NYE vs Welly - it's time to get a win!

[FFC Mariner]

Interesting that in the face of the bad publicity, the clubs strategy is silence (except for Montys defence of MC)

Not sure it's the best way forward.

 

[dibo]

The situation regarding Caceres, who still has another year to run on his contract with the Mariners, brought a swift response from his manager Tony Rallis.

“Anthony is one of the best number 10s in Australia so to leave him out is mystifying,” Rallis told The Australian.

“I’ll be speaking with the club but if they are not going to play a player who takes up five or six per cent of their salary cap then why keep him?

“If they don’t want to keep him, then tell us and we will find somewhere else to go.”

5-6% is ~1/20. We have about 20 players. So he's on average wages.

What an outrage that a player on average wages isn't playing! ZOMG!

And one of the best #10s in the country? I reckon he has a point here - he's probably in the top 20, but I'm not sure that there aren't better on the bench at other clubs.

The best thing Caceres could do for us and him is train his arse off, lock in a starting spot then take a game by the scruff of the neck (with and without the ball) and win us some games.

A great 10 is a goal creator and match winner. He's been playing a lot of 10 but we're not scoring many goals or winning many matches.

Anthony needs to take his agent's opinion with a grain of salt.

Apropos of nothing, do agents retainers, get paid again when their client signs a new deal, or both?

 

[Gratis]

We haven't won in 11 games. Coach decides to try something different and bench a few players - as he should.
Caceres gets benched - as most of us have said this should happen for several weeks (his agent has a hissy fit, that's his job but if your player is providing he doesn't get benched).

Gatty can fu*k off. I used to pay attention to him as someone with decent inside knowledge and respect or his team. These days I take what he says with a grain of salt. He's now stirring the pot with every other journalist.

I say this is a non issue that is about players being unhappy at being benched - after 11 games without a win that's how the world works. Earn your place back. 11 games is a longer grace period than you get anywhere else.
Gatty saying it's discontent is stupid. Of course they're unhappy to be benched. Suck it up and earn your place back ladies.

FWIW I think Fitzy is a good player who couldn't have worked harder. But with our record TW is utterly correct to try some alternatives. Caceres can either contribute more than being hard to take the ball off or shut up.

 

[dibo]

Harsh on Gatty. He's not stirring the pot if this is actually happening.

Also,

Check out @FourFourTwoOz's Tweet: https://twitter.com/FourFourTwoOz/status/682328263822147584?s=09

@FourFourTwoOz Caceres linked with Sydney switch https://t.co/5RBllMAR0I #aleague #football https://t.co/yoexR6P0AU

 

[Gratis]

They'd better pay for him. Rather he went to France though

 

[shipwreck]

Meh not fussed to be honest, always thought he was massively over rated.

A player who can keep the ball with fancy footwork but always passes sideways isn't a player I'm gonna lose sleep over losing to Sydney.

 

[Capn Gus Bloodbeard]

What the hell is going on at the club.....not great

 

[nebakke]

Harsh on Gatty. He's not stirring the pot if this is actually happening.

Also,

Check out @FourFourTwoOz's Tweet: https://twitter.com/FourFourTwoOz/status/682328263822147584?s=09

@FourFourTwoOz Caceres linked with Sydney switch https://t.co/5RBllMAR0I #aleague #football https://t.co/yoexR6P0AU

I'm F****** sick of our players running to Arnie when things get a little tough.
I was all for letting Ando go if he wanted to and I generally think that that's the approach to take but it feels like it's becoming endemic so maybe the thing to do is bench the Sh*t out of anyone who even f****** looks at SFC wrong and send them a message.
It's not like the team is losing in spite of Caceres performing brilliant feats of heroism.... He's f*****g part of the losing team.... Over and over again and it is not all down to poor coaching.
This kid needs a reality check and arguably his agent would serve him better by helping give him one....

EDIT: Heat-of-the-moment-typos

 

[dibo]

They'd better pay for him.

They can't. No provision for transfer fees. Could swap a player in a nudge, wink arrangement.

Edit: would we swap him for Jacques Faty?

 

[elevated position]

Caceras and Rallis could always buy his contract out.

 

[FFC Mariner]

I'd read him the relevant clauses in his contract and leave him to rot playing 8 nyl games a year.

See what that does to his attitude

 

[Ancient Mariner]

They can't. No provision for transfer fees. Could swap a player in a nudge, wink arrangement.

Edit: would we swap him for Jacques Faty?

Yes. In an instant.

 

[kevrenor]

Never had Fitzy as part of that group.

Shame

If there is such a thing as a group. I'm always wary of conspiracy theories.

They could both do with shooting practice!

 

[Bladesman]

Harsh on Gatty. He's not stirring the pot if this is actually happening.

Also,

Check out @FourFourTwoOz's Tweet: https://twitter.com/FourFourTwoOz/status/682328263822147584?s=09

@FourFourTwoOz Caceres linked with Sydney switch https://t.co/5RBllMAR0I #aleague #football https://t.co/yoexR6P0AU

Wonder if this has anything to do with his form and attitude or if it is form and attitude that have been the reason for it falling through?

"FourFourTwo understands that an overseas transfer to a Belgian club for Caceres has recently fallen through."

His manager is probably pissed off he has missed out on a pay day which is why he is making waves, linking him with Sydney is probably just trying to stir the pot for other transfer fees as I am sure the manager would do far better out of an oversea's pay day.

As other have mentioned if his manager had any sense he should acknowledge the may not have been playing his best but that he is working hard to help his team!

 

[kevrenor]

.. the PFA do us no favours and don't mind stirring the pot.

Well as an old unionist myself, I say that if the PFA didn't stir the pot (on behalf of its member/s) it wouldn't be doing its job. Not should any club be done 'favors'.

That said, I think there are juicier targets for them.

 

[nebakke]

Well as an old unionist myself, I say that if the PFA didn't stir the pot (on behalf of its member/s) it wouldn't be doing its job. Not should any club be done 'favors'.

That said, I think there are juicier targets for them.

Heh... I'm a unionist - or was in Denmark... And I've gotta say, this isn't what the unions are supposed to be for... They're supposed to be there to support you when you're being treated unfairly by your employer and you need help to stand up to them....
But not doing your job and being sanctioned for it isn't being treated unfairly...

PFA should be maintaining a relatively cordial relationship to the clubs - all of them... That's the easiest way to get things done - being able to negotiate with each other. They shouldn't be best of friends and they shouldn't be mortal enemies.
This idea of stirring the pot because a player wants more than might be his right isn't for the union to do... That's what the agent's there for.

And again... The question is, even if they did manage to push for Caceres to go somewhere else, would they be doing him a favour?

 

[kevrenor]

This idea of stirring the pot because a player wants more than might be his right isn't for the union to do... That's what the agent's there for.

And again... The question is, even if they did manage to push for Caceres to go somewhere else, would they be doing him a favour?

What idea? Did you just make that up as a straw man?

I hadn't noticed them pushing for Caceres to go elsewhere, just making sure his rights were protected and known.

Obviously 'stirring the pot' means something different to you than me.
This seems to fit "To stir the pot is to agitate a situation to cause a reaction"

 

[finally retired]

aren't you retired finally?

ha.....was made redundant, (so changed my name to Finally Retired) but then picked up a contracting job later....couldn't be bothered getting changed back to Almost Retired. Contract ends in 5 months so I expect to be Fully Retired at that point

 

[kevrenor]

Tom Heward-Belle and Adam Pearce to step-up in Paul Izzo’s absence
December 30, 2015 8:00pm
David Hall The Daily Telegraph
WHEN first-choice goalkeeper Paul Izzo was sent off just 28 minutes into the game against Sydney FC, the Central Coast Mariners were forced to turn to their reserve stoppers — two teenagers without a minute of A-League experience between them.
On Thursday night, at home to Wellington, coach Tony Walmsley must now hope Tom Heward-Belle, 18, and Adam Pearce, 17, are ready to step up.
Following Liam Reddy’s problematic departure from the club earlier in the season, the club’s stocks between the sticks were already low enough.
Izzo is now suspended and has been selected for Olyroos duty next month, while new keeper Alastair Bray unavailable until the new year.
Heward-Belle’s first taste of top-level football was to try and save a penalty, with his team already two goals down to Sydney FC at Allianz Stadium. The teenager didn’t quite make a fairytale save but still pulled off a number of strong shot blocks to start his A-League career.
“Some people would call that a dream, some people would call it a nightmare,” Mariners goalkeeping coach Matt Nash told The Daily Telegraph.
Belly did great, he just went in and did his job. I don’t think anyone that watched the game thought he was out of his depth.”
Club captain Nick Montgomery backed up that support, calling Heward-Belle’s debut “magnificent” in the face of game that was already all but done.
“Tom came on and if that doesn’t give confidence that this club is trying to bring players through and build for the future then I don’t know what will because for him to come on in that game and perform like he did was magnificent,” Montgomery said.
“I made my debut in the English Championship when I was 17. It’s excitement, there’s no pressure on Tommy.
“We’ve got him and Adam Pearce now, a 17 and 18-year-old, fighting for the no. 1 spot to make a name for themselves and gain experience quicker than they would anywhere else.”
Blooding young players is often a positive, but with just one win, having conceded 28 goals in 12 games, and a defence made up of players in their early 20s — excluding 34-year-old veteran Josh Rose — it’s far from ideal.
But Nash says the youngsters are as prepared as they’ll ever be to make the next step up.
“For any young kid to step into any team is tough,” Nash said. Belly and Pearcy have been working with the first team all year and have played a few [preseason] games so I don’t think its anything too different for them. It’s the only way they’re going to get better.”
With Heward-Belle set to keep his make his starting debut against Wellington on New Year’s Eve, the plan has been to keep the pressure off — somehow — work on the communication as the defence adjust to their third keeper of the season and just let the youngsters stick to what they know.
“I’m not trying to give them too much information at the moment, I don’t want to overload their brains or put too much pressure on them, because you’d just scare them,” Nash said.
“Obviously the situation the team’s in, and being a young team it’s tough for all of them — but in another sense it’s a great opportunity to put their name in lights and really have a good go.
“Anyone that gets a chance in the A-League it’s a dream for any kid trying to make it to the top. And that’s really positive.”

 

[nebakke]

What idea? Did you just make that up as a straw man?

I hadn't noticed them pushing for Caceres to go elsewhere, just making sure his rights were protected and known.

Obviously 'stirring the pot' means something different to you than me.
This seems to fit "To stir the pot is to agitate a situation to cause a reaction"

Haha... Sorry, I just wrote a whole post questioning wth you would accuse me of making a straw man of your argument about stirring the pot, only to just realise that you were referring to the Caceres comment... I'm not a smart man.

Anyway, I didn't mean for it to be a straw man, indeed it was more of a throw-away comment based on the actual content of my post... It seems I didn't make it anywhere near clear enough.
What I was trying to say was that I'm not sure anyone'd be doing him any favours by helping him break his contract and go somewhere else.

With regards to the stirring of the pot comment... That's exactly what I take it to mean... My concern is that the PFA statements seem to indicate that they're quite happy with the statements from Adelaide, Roar and Jest saying that they'd pay in the next couple of days, but our club's statement wasn't good enough, even though it was the exact same premise.
That smells more like them having an axe to grind than it smells like them just looking after their members.