R13 - NYE vs Welly - it's time to get a win!

[finally retired]

I know when the draw came out it was a point of frustration that we were given a 7pm kickoff, despite the kickoff having been ~6pm all years prior. Very odd decision but I guess Fox runs the game.
With this time around though apparently you can stay inside CCS and watch the fireworks rather than trying to rush onto the waterfront.

I'm glad it's a 7:00pm start as I still have the daily commute back from Sydney....any earlier and I would likely have missed the start at the very least.
I think crowd will be much smaller than usual, just by going off my usual group, most of who won't be going to the game.

 

[FFC Mariner]

Trying to remember who signed him......

 

[dibo]

By that logic, Ferreira's gonna be gone too - signed by Moss, and same agent as well (if you believe Transfermarkt).

 

[FFC Mariner]

Fascinating Twitter exchange by Ray Gatt. His view of the current divisions in the squad.

#GangOfFour

 

[rbakersmith]

Further to my earlier tweet re Mariners. My mail is that Caceres and Fitzgerald won't start v Phoenix and may not even be on the bench. Also, it is believed 5players, inc Caceres & Fitzgerald were told 2do shooting practice between selves while rest of team trained Tues.

 

[Forum Phoenix]

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   Hamish Neal ‏@hamishneal 1h1 hour ago
   @Gatty54 cheers Ray. I wonder how the recent trainings going on for CCM will play out tomorrow night.
   
   
2. 
   Ray Gatt ‏@Gatty54 1h1 hour ago
   @hamishneal you'll find that Caceres and Fitzgerald have either been benched or not in squad at all
   
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   McWanderer ‏@Wandererstragic 1h1 hour agoSydney, New South Wales
   @Gatty54 @hamishneal Caceres was benched 2 games ago. Ongoing issues in the camp?
   

Ray GattVerified account‏@Gatty54
@Wandererstragic @hamishneal not a happy camp.....


McWanderer ‏@Wandererstragic 1h1 hour ago

1. 1. @Gatty54 @hamishneal Doubt either of those players would command a starting spot at 90% of AL clubs
      

 

[FFC Mariner]

Never had Fitzy as part of that group.

Shame

 

[Gratis]

I'm glad it's a 7:00pm start as I still have the daily commute back from Sydney....any earlier and I would likely have missed the start at the very least.
I think crowd will be much smaller than usual, just by going off my usual group, most of who won't be going to the game.

aren't you retired finally?

 

[Forum Phoenix]

"you'll find that Caceres and Fitzgerald have either been benched or not in squad at all"

Maybe its not attitude and TW has just been watching the same games as us

 

[Big Al]

Start time is good by me.

If you want to go Syd for NYE you need to be there mid arvo so 5pm won't help.

Game to fireworks is perfect and with option to stay maybe an incentive for those who want somewhere to sit and something to do while they wait.
CCM Website:
For the first time ever, the Central Coast Mariners are pleased to announce that you will also have the option to watch Gosford’s fireworks from the comfort of Central Coast Stadium!

 

[pjennings]

'#GangOfFour' - who are the other two?

 

[Big Al]

Loosing is building frustration.

To be fair we need 11 Montys who will do what ever necessary to get us a win in any fashion cause that's where we are at.

Fitzy and Caceras don't have the required mentality we need.
Surprised though because I thought Sim would be. He doesn't lack effort.

To be fair to Sim he set up our goal against Syd with a nice cross. Has scored late twice as a sub so is doing good things when others higher up in class are not. Would be one of the few with the right to voice displeasure without looking like a spoilt brat.

 

[Big Al]

Are training ground issues.

Are the boys showing more fight or throwing the toys?

Has anyone played a season without one.

I remember rocking up to training and one of the boys was sporting a black eye. Had been to one of the other players place for a party and dropped red wine on the carpet and got punched for his effort by the teammate who's house it was.
Great training session that one. Wanted to smack him again.
Might need a new thread for these type of stories somewhere

 

[rbakersmith]

'#GangOfFour' - who are the other two?

Well if you believe Gatty it's a #GangOfFive.

So far we know of Caceres and Fitzy, and most likely Sim.

I suspect that Trifiro is the fourth. I asked the club about his omission from the ins/outs today and was told that he was off the injury list and available for selection. Given our current predicament you'd think that he'd at least be in the squad, so to not have him there is a little disconcerting.

As for the fifth? Who knows...

 

[patjennings]

I was actually thinking it had more to do with the super. Caceres, Fitzy, Neill, Storm, Josh and Monty were all around pre 2013 which seems to be the time we are talking about. Josh and Monty seem to be toeing the company line. They are older, have established a life on the coast and have seen it all before. The younger guys might see this as a case of 'oh no - not this again' or indeed want to take the opportunity to cash in on their career while they can.

Sim - I can understand being a miffed. He has tried his heart out whenever he has had the opportunity.

However - as Dibo said - it's time to draw a line under the year with a win.

If MC is serious about the club, which he claims he is, then I expect the super to be resolved and to see some movement in come 5th January. I'm not expecting miracles, but the rumoured Ivica Olic would be a great pick up and is motivated to play to keep in the frame for Euro 2016, Francesco Stella would give Caceres some competition and an experienced CB would come in handy.

If the players that are still owed money are committed to the club they will stay. If not - and they get the opportunity to leave they will. TBH no-one but Monty has consistently shone this year.

I just want to be in a position in the next couple of weeks where I can say that all the players are paid, all remaining players are committed to the club, MC has shown his commitment by paying what is owed and also bringing in some reinforcements. The club has always shown spirit in adversity - it is time for that again. Not only from the team, but by the club and the fans.

 

[Rowdy]

Further to my earlier tweet re Mariners. My mail is that Caceres and Fitzgerald won't start v Phoenix and may not even be on the bench. Also, it is believed 5players, inc Caceres & Fitzgerald were told 2do shooting practice between selves while rest of team trained Tues.

WTF is going on ???

This shit needs to be nipped in the bud. ASAP, if any pride in this club is to be salvaged by the playing group.

This is a situation where Monty should be taking these players aside individually & having a fcuking serious conversation about,

'This IS the way it is' - in regards to their performances, their attitude & the current state of the team and their role in it.

Followed by,
'This IS the way IT NEEDS TO BE !!!'

I don't care if your a player that;

• wants to be at this club next season
• hopes to move on from the club next season
• or wants out of the club NOW.

Choose any of the above options and the solution for all of them is the same:

Play the best Football that you can .......... RIGHT FCUKN NOW !

Being in the shop window is your only hope, so fight for your spot in the starting 11 & fight even harder once your out on the pitch because then and ONLY THEN, will
(a) ....(b) ....OR (c) take care of itself.

NB:
Eddie Bosnar is not in any shop window.
Liam Reddy got fcukn lucky.

The choice is yours ! Choose wisely.

 

[midfielder]

Just on issues above a mate / client / a sfc fan who has a business that brings him in close contact with s number of professional clubs in Eastern Sydney tells me behind the scenes the PFA do us no favours and don't mind stirring the pot.

Just for reference he has held most of the contracts he has for over 15 years ... The club's he deals with, Easts, Souths, Saints, Taths, SFC.

 

[rbakersmith]

Mariners hit more strife as players placed on outer
THE AUSTRALIAN
DECEMBER 31, 2015 12:00AM

Ray Gatt
Sports reporter
Sydney

More trouble is looming for the embattled Central Coast, with talented midfielder Anthony Caceres on the outer amid suggestions another four or five Mariners players could be in the same position.

The Australian understands Caceres and Nick Fitzgerald will be dropped for tonight’s traditional New Year’s Eve game at Gosford against Wellington Phoenix as the club attempts to break a 12-match winless streak that stretches back to round two.

It is believed Caceres and Fitzgerald, who have been named in a 25-man provisional squad and Matthew Sim, Glen Trifiro and Anthony Kalik, who have been left out, were told to do shooting practice on their own at training on Tuesday.

Caceres and Fitzgerald joined the squad for the final session yesterday morning, but with coach Tony Walmsley confirming Fabio Ferreira and Mitch Austin will come into the XI, indications are they are unlikely to start against the Phoenix.

The situation regarding Caceres, who still has another year to run on his contract with the Mariners, brought a swift response from his manager Tony Rallis.

“Anthony is one of the best number 10s in Australia so to leave him out is mystifying,” Rallis told The Australian.

“I’ll be speaking with the club but if they are not going to play a player who takes up five or six per cent of their salary cap then why keep him?

“If they don’t want to keep him, then tell us and we will find somewhere else to go.”

The player drama is the last thing the Mariners need amid a disastrous season so far that has seen them win just once in 13 games, suffer a fall in crowd figures and have doubts emerge about their future in the A-League.

It is also having a huge effect off the field with the Mariners faithful losing patience with the direction owner Mike Charlesworth is taking the club, so much so that the NYE game, which normally attracts one of the club’s biggest crowds of the season, could be a flop.

It is believed that up until two days ago a mere 700 tickets had been pre-sold. Clearly the fans are tired of losing and the disintegration of the once-proud family culture at the club.

Walmsley has come under fire for the poor results, but insists the club can turn things around, starting with the Phoenix.

“We have been let down in a number of areas,” Walmsley said yesterday.

“There has been a sea change from me this week where I did some reflection.

“To win (against Wellington) we need a bigger engine (in midfield), one with a bigger work ethic. We need more dynamics in there and that’s what we will do.

“We did well against Brisbane the other week but we were not up to it against Sydney last week. But I think we will do better tomorrow night.”

Captain Nick Montgomery believes the Mariners have “played some great football but not got the results”.

He also jumped to the defence of Charlesworth.

“We are at home, it’s New Year’s Eve, a massive game for us and we know we need to win for the fans so that we can catapult into 2016,” Montgomery said.

“2015 hasn’t been great. It is a tough time but I think the criticism of Mike is harsh.

“People forget he took over the club when it was falling to pieces and could have ended up in the hands of FFA. But, he has cut the debt and is trying to get the club to be sustainable.”

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/spo...tory/3044234c7ae9b3d6dbca38eea8430afa?login=1

 

[Bell]

I thought it was pretty common knowledge the majority of players don't agree with TWs tactics / lack of tactics. Gang of 4/5/6 is rubbish.

Saying Fitzy and Sim don't have the right mentality? For all his short comings, I'm still yet to see a game where Fitzy hasn't run more than any other player with the exception of Monty. Sim the exact same when he comes on or starts even though he seems to be the first punted.

People need to remember Caceres, Fitzy, Sim etc, are still relatively young inexperienced guys who aren't on a huge amount of money, confidence is nil, and they are taking the brunt of criticism . It's going to affect any player.

 

[shipwreck]

and what of Kalik