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Player movements 2013/2014
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style_cafe
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true believer
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rogic the soft cock .took the nothing money to play for a low side. that
won't get past the regular season . the turd can eat shit and die.
sydmariner
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nebakke
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I thought boos were supposed to be reserved for the outright traitors, like hat-man... The ones that go to a rival club - as in a derby rival.. The ones that actively disengage with the club, not the ones that go somewhere else then come back to a different club, players have to move sometimes and if the club doesn't participate actively in the bidding war, why would you punish the player?
Certainly that's how we used to do it where I come from, but then, I'm old AND a foreigner, so what do I know?
Arguably, if you had someone like Matty return from overseas to the Jesters, I might join the booing chorus, but his is a different kind of loyalty so that'd represent a different kind of turncoat - disregarding the fact that I get the impression that he'd rather go back to brick-laying than play for that lot
iEatHands
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I'm not individually targeting Rogić but the entire situation is a farce. Ange possibly has had a hand in this move, and the future at the moment is looking grim for poor Rogić if he can't get game time at his own team and has to come back here to get some. Victory aren't even guaranteed in the group stages of the ACL, if they don't make it the move to Japan would have put him in a MUCH more technical league with a proven coach who knows the players strengths and a fitness coach who transformed him into the player he is today. Anyone remember the Rogić that couldn't last 45 minutes on the field?
Not going to lie and say I wouldn't be happy to have him back but the move to the tards has disaster written all over it.. Arnies offer should not have been turned down.
Gratis
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I also suspect the Ange influence.
It was Vegalta who said no to the
loan deal as their season starts in
March and then they'd have to
release him for WC a couple of
months later. my understanding is
that Rogic and Celtic were all for the
Arnie move but Vegalta said nay
It was Vegalta who said no to the
loan deal as their season starts in
March and then they'd have to
release him for WC a couple of
months later. my understanding is
that Rogic and Celtic were all for the
Arnie move but Vegalta said nay
Capt. Awesome
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I won't boo him. He has other reasons for going to Melbourne. He is not like Bojic who went to Sydney so he could sell more hats.
We sold Rogic for a pretty penny. We got all that was owing us. I think he has made the wrong decision as Muscat will ruin him but I wish him all the best and hold nothing against him.
We sold Rogic for a pretty penny. We got all that was owing us. I think he has made the wrong decision as Muscat will ruin him but I wish him all the best and hold nothing against him.
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nebakke
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I don't really see an issue in HOW the deal has come about tbh... As GrA points out, it was Vegalta management who turned down the loan, based on the realtively short use that they'd see out of Rogic.
Rogic himself stated that he would prefer returning to us or potentially Sydney - based on loyalty, familiarity and geography, Sydney obviously much more about the latter than the first two. I thought it was fairly clear from the thing I read last week or the week before, that MV was his least preferred option.
Add to that that it was only after he put that out there, that we seemed to react and CCM started getting a mention in the articles.. I suspect that we have either not really been interested, for the same reasons as Vegalta, or we have actually been lax about our approach.
So, if we assume that that is the case, Sydney were more interested in a purchase than a short-term loan, so it was fairly clear that they were out as Celtic weren't interested... MV, by the sound of it, were interested on much the same terms as what Celtic were prepared to offer and we, sort of, came running in at the last minute, saying that we're obviously always interested in the return of a historically strong player...
Can't really blame them for going ahead with, what was presumably already, an almost completed deal.
Rogic himself stated that he would prefer returning to us or potentially Sydney - based on loyalty, familiarity and geography, Sydney obviously much more about the latter than the first two. I thought it was fairly clear from the thing I read last week or the week before, that MV was his least preferred option.
Add to that that it was only after he put that out there, that we seemed to react and CCM started getting a mention in the articles.. I suspect that we have either not really been interested, for the same reasons as Vegalta, or we have actually been lax about our approach.
So, if we assume that that is the case, Sydney were more interested in a purchase than a short-term loan, so it was fairly clear that they were out as Celtic weren't interested... MV, by the sound of it, were interested on much the same terms as what Celtic were prepared to offer and we, sort of, came running in at the last minute, saying that we're obviously always interested in the return of a historically strong player...
Can't really blame them for going ahead with, what was presumably already, an almost completed deal.
true believer
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quite simply rogics career has stopped . the best chance to get it back on track is exposure .
the money difference between us and the tards is peanuts compared to his next contract.
this was a no brainer . tommy YOU IDIOT , YOU DUD , YOU FARCE.
the money difference between us and the tards is peanuts compared to his next contract.
this was a no brainer . tommy YOU IDIOT , YOU DUD , YOU FARCE.
midfielder
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TB
Except the Tards have AP eyes and they also have Troisi another I think will be in the WC squad...IMO AP may have played a huge role...
Except the Tards have AP eyes and they also have Troisi another I think will be in the WC squad...IMO AP may have played a huge role...
bikinigirl
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. i don't think tommi had all that much to do with it ... but i may be wrong as usual
. celtic would have made the decision. sure tom may have asked for the loan, but i don't understand how anybody could think it was his decision to go to melbourne. celtic would have only had eyes for the dollars ... and perhaps a cursedly squinting eye towards the mariners (we have already benefited once, we weren't likely to receive any concessions)
. he would have been a bit of an unknown anywhere other than the a-league (or with arnie) ... in terms of game time to get to the world cup and increase his market value there weren't many options and melbourne would have been the most attractive for celtic
. celtic would have made the decision. sure tom may have asked for the loan, but i don't understand how anybody could think it was his decision to go to melbourne. celtic would have only had eyes for the dollars ... and perhaps a cursedly squinting eye towards the mariners (we have already benefited once, we weren't likely to receive any concessions)
. he would have been a bit of an unknown anywhere other than the a-league (or with arnie) ... in terms of game time to get to the world cup and increase his market value there weren't many options and melbourne would have been the most attractive for celtic
the FFA Article linked above said:
Following the J-League as when in rome, I think the Vegalta excuse for bowing out of the race is strange.
The next J-League season which starts in March actually finishes and breaks in May due to world cup and also they're trialling a split season this year (in effect as of 2015) with the winner of the March to May comp playing the winner July-December. There is a huge gap in season there for Rogic to only be unavailable for a few games less than what we have copped with McGlinchey and co with their international duties. So I feel its more just an excuse for Aussie media rather than that Vegalta just don't see him in their plans.
The next J-League season which starts in March actually finishes and breaks in May due to world cup and also they're trialling a split season this year (in effect as of 2015) with the winner of the March to May comp playing the winner July-December. There is a huge gap in season there for Rogic to only be unavailable for a few games less than what we have copped with McGlinchey and co with their international duties. So I feel its more just an excuse for Aussie media rather than that Vegalta just don't see him in their plans.
Mossy said after the game he was not coming here but made it clear he talked a bit with Tommy. So us not putting an offer in is a little cheeky as we were basically told don't bother he has chosen or had it chosen for him to be victory.
To boo or not to boo - National pride over local pride.
If the loan wasn't just to get him ready for the world cup I'd be upset but because it is short term for the socceroos benefit & he will return to Celtic after the WC I won't boo. It's a form of national service.
Had it been for a season or a purchase than maybe but not on this occasion for me.
The think with Pedj was disobeying Arnie during the Rd 16 CL otherwise there was minimal problems with him as well except it was to SFC (But it was fun to give it to him).
To boo or not to boo - National pride over local pride.
If the loan wasn't just to get him ready for the world cup I'd be upset but because it is short term for the socceroos benefit & he will return to Celtic after the WC I won't boo. It's a form of national service.
Had it been for a season or a purchase than maybe but not on this occasion for me.
The think with Pedj was disobeying Arnie during the Rd 16 CL otherwise there was minimal problems with him as well except it was to SFC (But it was fun to give it to him).
nebakke
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Hmm, for mine it was the whole second half of last season I think... He didn't seem as committed as he used to and then there was the whole ACL debarcle etc. etc. topped by the fact that he did indeed go to the Smurfs.
Although in a sense, I have to admit, grudgingly, that perhaps we should be a little grateful to him, as it allowed for the emergence of Storm Roux and I can honestly say, without any semblance of bitter pills or disappointment, that at this point I would much MUCH rather have him than hatman there
So in the long run, I suppose he did us a favour, doubly so by playing so poorly with the smurfs... Could he be SO loyal to our club that he and Arnie cooked up a plan to weaken Sydney's defences while strengthening our own? Is hatman in reality a hero to the club!?Online statistics
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