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scottmac
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This is what shits me with Australian media. What the f**k would Scott McIntyre know about his ability to add something to the Mariners? Who was in front of him in that J2 squad? If he didn't make the squad in J2 I guarantee that McIntyre hadn't even heard his name until it was brought up in an article about us trialing him & everything he has said is in retrospect. He believes he knows better than the Mariners do. f**king media crunts. Yeah ok, you've got a bit of knowledge, probably one of the best in Aus in regards to Asian football, but don't think you know what best suits our squad. We'll be the judge on that.
This guy has paid his own way here to trial & we have not f**king signed him. If the Mariners believe he can add something to the squad then so be it. Right now our only genuine attacking left sided player is Tom f**king Slater. Do you think Scott McIntyre would rate Tom Slater playing in the J2?
dibo
Well-Known Member
Well, I think McIntyre's spent quite a lot of time living in Tokyo and based on the fact that he's written more about it than the rest of the Oz media scene put together I reckon he probably knows more about Japanese football than anyone in the Oz football mainstream media. He's unlikely to be just making shit up.
Then there's the fact that anyone can go on to transfermarkt and with a few mouse clicks you can see that:
Then there's the fact that anyone can go on to transfermarkt and with a few mouse clicks you can see that:
- in three seasons he's played 19 games for 754 minutes and one goal
- in 2011 he made 8 appearances for 257 minutes (5 starts) and one goal
- in 2012 he made 8 appearances for 473 minutes (only 2 starts) and no goals
- in 2013 he made just 3 appearances for 24 minutes (no starts) and no goals
- the last goal he scored was in an Emperors Cup match on 10th October 2011.
- the last league goal he scored was on the 12th September 2010
- the last time he played 90 minutes was 22nd August 2010 (the only time he managed it that season)
- the second-last time was 21st October 2009
style_cafe
Well-Known Member
McBreen had a really lean couple of seasons in the UK 06 - 08. Check out his stats from that period & you probably wouldn`t have signed him either
Muppet
Well-Known Member
I would certainly trust Scott's word over an 'Oz media' when it comes to knowing players in Asia. Scott is based in Japan for a start and follows Japanese football very closely. He also has extensive knowledge of Asian football. As to his ability to add something to the club Scott has been a paid up member of the Mariners since, I think from the first season. If I were the Mariners Scott would be the person I would be picking up the phone to to find out which Asian players in the market would be suited to the club. But hey, what does he know.
sydmariner
Well-Known Member
No he's too young
scottmac
Suspended
How many clubs does Scott do recruitment for?
I acknowledge the guy is very clued up. I said as so in my post. But do you see him at mariners training regularly? Is he having conversations with the coaching staff about what our squad is missing & needs?
& like I said, all this about a guy who paid his own way & isn't signed.
I don't give a shit, about what he thinks of the player, & neither should ccm. If he adds something we don't have, suits the club & is the right price he'll be signed. No matter how poor his last outing was.
Some people just don't get it that we won't be bringing guys in that can command better elsewhere. Scott seems to be in that group. The guys (imports) that come here come for retirement or another chance at well below cost. Seems like whoever this guy is he ticks those boxes.
midfielder
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Does anyone know if we plan to sign Flores next year.... and would Flores being resigned effect the player we sign ...
sydmariner
Well-Known Member
Well he's guest hosting Thursday fc tonight so he might say then
nebakke
Well-Known Member
I trust Moss... That's all there is to it for me... Not that it was Moss call, but the John Sutton debarcle previously referred to, was a loan and I don't recall him actually training with the boys before he came in so... While perhaps the anger is misplaced, I would tend to agree with Scottmac's sentiment that we have to assume that the club knows better.
I have no doubt that Scott McIntyre knows his stuff and perhaps also knows the player, but I suppose the thing is that Yamase has played 24 minutes in the last year... Yes, that is concerning and yes, that is less than Rogic, but I don't see us turning down Rogic, if he came to us, hat in hand, like that... Indeed, we took him on in the first place, based on his Nike and training results. I'm not saying that Yamase is Rogic, there's obviously a likely quality difference, but there are plenty other factors than the player's direct skills... His ability to fit into the club system, how he gets along with the coach, who's in front of him etc. etc.
Either way though, so far, we've only trialled him, we haven't signed him, so it's probably worth holding out and seeing what happens... For all we know, the guy might just be a decent squaddie, on offer for minimum wage and so, could simply be a handy pickup.
I have no doubt that Scott McIntyre knows his stuff and perhaps also knows the player, but I suppose the thing is that Yamase has played 24 minutes in the last year... Yes, that is concerning and yes, that is less than Rogic, but I don't see us turning down Rogic, if he came to us, hat in hand, like that... Indeed, we took him on in the first place, based on his Nike and training results. I'm not saying that Yamase is Rogic, there's obviously a likely quality difference, but there are plenty other factors than the player's direct skills... His ability to fit into the club system, how he gets along with the coach, who's in front of him etc. etc.
Either way though, so far, we've only trialled him, we haven't signed him, so it's probably worth holding out and seeing what happens... For all we know, the guy might just be a decent squaddie, on offer for minimum wage and so, could simply be a handy pickup.
nebakke
Well-Known Member
Can we afford him? And... Much as I like him, do we want him? In light of how we've played with him... I have to say, my impression is that he fits well into the team, we just have to remember to not always play the ball to Flores and then stop to watch him work.
dibo
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Your post implied McIntyre knows nothing about whether this guy's any use to us.
You also implied he knows nothing about the player.
I think that's unfair - McIntyre knows enough about the J-League that I reckon he's got a right to an opinion.
Nobody *here* said we shouldn't look at him (and I certainly take the earlier point about McBreen), but I think it's entirely reasonable to take McIntyre's opinion as fair warning to not get our hopes up, particularly given his frankly pretty unimpressive record.
scottmac
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What my post is saying (rather harshly & not very elegantly but hey, that's me) is that no matter what this guys history, who's to say that he wouldn't be a better option than what we have now. I don't see McIntyre listing a while lot of alternatives that are off contract, able to play ACL, & willing to do it for peanuts. He's just shit canning the player & then after the fact the recruitment strategy & ability of Australian clubs in regards to Asian players. All because a J2 reject paid his way here for a trial.
McIntyre opinion is based on his ability to play J2. How many guys have we had here that were shit at leagues not given much kudos in Aus, & they've gone on to do a job for us.
I've acknowledged his right to be a better judge than most in regards to players from this region.
McIntyre opinion is based on his ability to play J2. How many guys have we had here that were shit at leagues not given much kudos in Aus, & they've gone on to do a job for us.
I've acknowledged his right to be a better judge than most in regards to players from this region.
scottmac
Suspended
priorpeter
Well-Known Member
We will sign Ian Hogg, Kiwi left back who was released from Wellington and has been playing in NZ national league. Source is good. Yay...
dibo
Well-Known Member
It's not really a pretty picture.
Out or injured:
McGlinchey
Kwasnik
Flores
Neill
In:
Bernie (already done)
Hogg (rumoured)
Hearfield (also rumoured)
Yamase (if he trials well enough/we're desperate enough)
Be still my beating heart.
eenfish
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Why do we need a left back? We got Joshy.
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