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NRL Hooligans thread

Kareem

Well-Known Member
well that was crap
decided to watch end of dragons + bulldogs match as I am a big fan of Hazem El Masri not to mention i used to go for the doggies pre-HAL.
Great decision by video ref to deny winning try
how disappointing...
times like this- video officiating shows no advantage at all tbh
 

bjw

bjw
http://www.news.com.au/story/0,27574,25493261-1248,00.html
THE WOMAN at the centre of a sex scandal involving three Brisbane Broncos in a nightclub toilet last year has revealed the speed at which the situation got out of control and the anguish she has since endured.

"After a few kisses, things went drastically wrong," she said, speaking for the first time about what happened at the Alhambra Lounge nightclub in Brisbane's Fortitude Valley on September 13.

The incident led police to question Broncos Karmichael Hunt, Sam Thaiday and Darius Boyd (who now plays for St George Illawarra) as part of a six-week investigation.

Police said the players said they had consensual sex with the woman. She alleged to police that she was sexually assaulted.

No charges were laid after the investigation and evidence - which included video taken on a mobile telephone - was independently reviewed by barrister Tim Carmody SC.

While the three men continue to play top-level football, the 24-year-old feels she has become a forgotten victim in a sexual-attitudes crisis that has engulfed top-level rugby league.


dave of melb The woman said she had not seen an ABC TV Four Corners report on Monday that suggested a culture of extreme sexual promiscuity existed among some players within the code.

But she has watched reports in recent days about TV personality and former Cronulla player Matthew Johns, whose career is in ruins after he admitted involvement in a group-sex incident after a 2002 football game in New Zealand.

The woman said she had decided to speak publicly for the first time because those reports had prompted her to wonder what the Broncos players she met were thinking over the past week.

The well-spoken, hardworking professional woman, who is a petite 160cm and 60kg, said she felt degraded and discarded.

She has worked with a psychologist to get her life back on track, but said the encounter - which she refers to as The Incident  -  follows her around like a "dark cloud".

She said: "The case (police investigation) has been closed, so it's history. But it's not history . . . I will never forget. I'm still functioning and my life is not over by any means, but I will never ever forget this.

"Whenever I think (about it), I just want to spit, it's just disgusting, absolute disgusting."

Before that night, the woman said, she had a healthy self-esteem.

Now, she said, she has trouble looking in the mirror because all she feels is "dirty".

She did not go out for almost three months after the incident.

"When I did go out I kept my sunglasses on. I just felt people knew it was me. I felt like I had a tattoo across my forehead which said (what had happened)."

And she now despises the game she previously loved to watch.

"I feel sick when I change the channel to Nine and it's football," she said. "Part of me is jealous that I don't feel that love or excitement any more for football . . . or do things like the footy tips."

The woman says she clearly remembers the events that led to her meeting the Broncos trio. She had been with two long-time female friends, both in their early 20s, for several hours at the Valley Fiesta.

She had been drinking and estimates she was probably over the legal driving limit (.05) but felt in control.

They first went to the Mustang Bar where they saw Thaiday talking to other patrons.

"It was excitement for us to see a footballer and I was a (Broncos) fan," she said.

She said Thaiday soon left, telling them they would have to find out which nightclub he was going to next.

When the three women walked into the Alhambra Lounge about 8pm (AEST), they were the only females there.

She said she went to the bar with one of her girlfriends to buy a drink and exchanged eye contact with Hunt.

"I think he shouted something along the lines of 'Hey, good looking' or 'Hey, sexy'. I went over to him . . . he took my hand," she said.

The woman said she eventually accompanied Hunt to a cubicle in the men's toilet. She said she felt safe. "Yeah, I was (starstruck) . . . I was thinking, 'Oh, my God, I have got Karmichael Hunt in a toilet cubicle.'

"After a few kisses, things went drastically wrong."

She said that in a "blink of an eye" Thaiday and Boyd were also in the cubicle.

"That was when The Incident happened," she said.

Mobile telephones belonging to several Bronco players at the nightclub that evening were seized as part of the police investigation.

The woman said she was not aware, until told by police, that the incident might have been filmed, but she suspected a photograph had been taken.

"I looked up and there was someone standing on a toilet seat (in the next cubicle) and they had a phone. My immediate reaction was a photo had been taken," she said.

Soon after, she left the cubicle and returned to the main area in the nightclub looking for one of her friends.

She said she at first declined to reveal to the friend what had happened. She eventually told her and said she had to leave the nightclub immediately.

"We left and I remember saying to my friend, 'I need to run' . . . and I bolted, I was gone," she said.

The friend followed her and calmed her down. They went back to the Mustang Bar, where they had a cigarette before getting a taxi home.

"I don't think we talked the whole way in the cab. I think we were both inconsolable and in absolute shock. We came back (home) and that's when it really hit me," she said.

The woman said she began crying inconsolably and ran out of her house before collapsing in a neighbour's yard.

A family friend contacted police. By then, it was less than two hours after the toilet encounter.

She was taken by police to hospital and was interviewed the next day.

"I was still running on empty, I had no sleep. It was very hard . . . just having to relive everything," she said.

She and her family at first monitored the news reports, but it quickly became too much for them to handle and they stopped reading and watching anything about it.

She said she was angered by the club's decision not to stand down the three players pending the outcome of the police investigation.

On November 10, police announced no charges would be laid over the matter, citing "insufficient evidence".

She said she cried when police telephoned her.

Deputy Police Commissioner Ian Stewart later said it was unlikely the investigation would ever be revisited.

"This has been quite a rigorous investigation. I would suggest that the findings as they now stand will remain, unless something quite dramatic was to come to light," he said.

The players never publicly commented on the incident.

The day after police concluded their investigation, the three were each fined $20,000 by the Broncos for a breach of the club's code of conduct by bringing the club and game into disrepute, Broncos chief executive Bruno Cullen said.

Last night, a Broncos spokesman said: "The club accepted the police version of events and from that we believe we disciplined the players appropriately." The players' managers declined to comment.

The woman said she has had no contact with the players or the club.

She said she was angry when the three men did a television interview after the police announcement and apologised to their families and fans: "I was royally pissed off when they apologised to everyone but me."

She also despises the superstar status the men returned to after the controversy. All three are first grade regulars and, since the nightclub encounter, Hunt and Boyd have been picked in Australian teams.

"I was so frustrated, angry, I still am . . . if you take away who they are, they are just three men," she said.
 
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jiggles

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Thought this was interesting:

http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/story/0,22049,25495581-5001021,00.html

(Warning, it's long)

AS the NRL fumbles another grubby scandal, insiders tell Claire Harvey group sex has long been excused in elite sport as `male bonding'.
Could there be anything less sexy? The idea of getting nude with same-sex colleagues and finding a virtual stranger to seduce is profoundly unappealing to most of us.

But professional footballers inhabit a world saturated with sex, booze, opportunity and risk. And old-timers of sport say there's a long-standing link between elite sport and group sex.

The ``gang bang'', they say, has long been a quiet part of sport culture, as routine as liniment and communal showers, tacitly endorsed by coaches and managers, stoically ignored by wives, journalists and fans.

Why would group sex appeal to handsome young athletes blessed with apparently ample female attention? How does it match with the superficially -- indeed often aggressively -- heterosexual culture of masculine sport? Are they secretly gay?

And when the fluorescent motel lights suddenly flicker on, how do we unpick the details: consent, compliance, coercion?

``The Grunter changed our whole perception of girls,'' wrote professional surfer Nat Young in his autobiography, Nat's Nat And That's That: A Surfing Legend.

``The Grunter was really into group sex and we all greeted her with open flies every time we saw her getting off the school bus. Other girls from our beach started getting a bit jealous of all the attention The Grunter was getting and some decided it was better to join her if they couldn't beat her; the competition was terrific -- Brenda the Bender, Sally Apple Bowels, the list got longer and longer.''

To a young athlete like Young, group sex was an adventure, part of his masculine awakening.

Sex was one facet of a crowded, physical, exciting life -- in surfing, professional cricket, golf, and all codes of football.

Eroticism is not the key point, says Dr Clifton Evers of the University of NSW.

Group sex, Evers says, is better understood as part of the physicality of men in sport -- the collective journey of shared pain, relief, nakedness, injury, energy and exhaustion.

Evers, an expert on the intersection of sport and sexual behaviour, interviewed NRL players in the wake of the 2004 Bulldogs gang-rape allegations.

``These are blokes who are familiar with bonding through their bodies,'' he says. ``They go through physical pain together. They train together, they get inked-up together, and the idea is that, through that, you form your belonging.

``You also have the opportunity to structure your bonding through a sexual situation. It's a classic situation of men bonding through something -- the woman becomes just the something.''

Psychologist and sex therapist Bettina Arndt, whose latest book The Sex Diaries examines how couples negotiate sexual issues, doubts the Cronulla episode could be considered group sex in the same way as most Australians would consider it.

``The gang-bang experience has little to do with sex,'' Arndt says. ``Men don't do it seeking a peak sexual experience, they do it to be one of the boys. They do it for each other. It's a tribal dance which has far more to do with showing off to each other about being a real man, an aggressive he-man, than enjoying sexual pleasure with a woman.''

By contrast, the couples Arndt interviewed who had group sex generally considered them positive experiences.

There is a famous incident in modern league history when NRL players gathered for a training session on sexual ethics.

As the training official started his laptop, the screen in front of the assembled players jumped to life with a hard-core pornography scene. The players burst into raucous laughter -- the trainer had opened his private collection, not his training files.

As he rushed to close it down and re-establish order, at least one man in the room shook his head in disbelief.

``Do you think the players then took it seriously?'' the observer asked later. ``Of course they didn't. It's hard enough to get players to focus at the best of times, but the whole thing was completely undermined.

``It was a joke.''

Male and female perceptions of group sex tend to differ, as researcher Joan Sauers found in her 2007 book, Sex Lives Of Australian Teenagers. Male interviewees universally remembered group-sex encounters as pleasurable; the girls described regret, loss of control and a lack of the intimacy they wanted from sex.

Some women seek out footballers for individual and group sex, as documentary producer Michaela Perske found in her 2006 documentary Footy Chicks, but sharing is a male phenomenon.

``I can't imagine a netball team going on tour and getting a guy and standing around masturbating while they take turns,'' Perske says. ``Having said that, I don't think it's a homoerotic thing.

``It's easy for people to say it's about suppressed homosexuality: they all love touching each other on the field, but I think it's more about sharing an intense experience, as they do on the field.''

Professional sportsmen enjoy ever-increasing opportunities for sexual adventure and group-sex, says Griffith University associate professor James Skinner, who researches social and economic dynamics of sport.

``The rising profile of professional athletes probably makes them more wanted,'' Skinner says.

``People want to get close to them, get in touch with them, and therefore they're in environments
where those things will happen. Professional sports stars are accessible rock stars.

``High-profile musicians travel with security, but to meet a professional sports star, you just have to know what pub they frequent. It's also an image thing for people to be seen with professional athletes. Those factors probably contribute to people -- women -- putting themselves in situations or environments that are potentially dangerous.''

To change behaviour, sporting organisations need coherent, pre-emptive discipline and education policies, says Skinner. They also need professional executives from outside the blokey culture.

``Ex-players go into coaching and management. Bonds they have from their playing days can sometimes distance them from difficult decisions they have to make. A lot of sports need to look at themselves. It's a very masculine culture in the playing ranks, administration, management.

``A lot of people cynically view the appointment of women as tokenistic in those roles, and if you ask the general public to name a high-profile female sports administrator they'd struggle.''

Trent Southworth has spent a lot of time on the sexual frontlines with footballers, in nightclubs where opportunities are rife. A former policeman, he was a security consultant to the Roosters NRL club for the past 12 months. His job was to attempt to educate footballers about the legalities and dangers of alcohol and sexual encounters, and to accompany them out at night.

He was astonished at the flirtatious advances some brash young ladies made to footballers. Southworth says no female behaviour can excuse men who pursue non-consensual sex, but thinks the groupie culture might help explain some footballers' failure to learn the rules of sexual conduct.

``For a man who has no celebrity status, trying to find a partner is more difficult,'' he says. ``Women make themselves available to footballers, and that doesn't help them to develop their behaviour.''

To Southworth, only direct NRL intervention can save some footballers from themselves: he says the league must send security consultants on all tours and nights out, as well as enforcing consistent punishments for misbehaviour and firm, clear rules.

``There wouldn't be a football club that doesn't have a policy of `no girls back to the room','' Southworth says. ``But who polices it? The CEO can't stand outside 25 doors at 1am after a night out.''

The tight nature of football teams means only external discipline can effect change, he says.

``You've got 25 players, all on each other's side. Then there's a coach, a CEO, a football manager -- that's a very tight-knit environment. You need a governing body to take a stand.''

Why not just ban group sex, as NRL boss David Gallop suggested last week?

Because it won't work, say the NRL's team educating players about sexual ethics; academic Catharine Lumby, player welfare officer Nigel Vagana and education officer Matt Francis.

Lumby says while she has no problem with Gallop's suggestion, she believes it's hard to outlaw behaviour which is not illegal.

``People ask me to be the group-sex police, and suggest I should be out there saying group sex is a terrible thing. In the education program we say very strongly: this is very high-risk behaviour and the person most at risk will be a woman. We don't advocate it, quite the contrary -- but how you stop it, short of locking every player in a cage when they come off the field -- if anyone has suggestions, let me know.''

Vagana says he was unaware of widespread group sex in his league playing days, and was surprised by former league coach Roy Masters' suggestion it was an unofficial team-bonding activity. ``I was a bit shocked at that,'' he says, ``but one of the things about rugby league is we have guys from everywhere, any culture, any demographic.

``The point is, rugby league isn't the only place these problems are happening. We are a window onto what's out there in society.''

One big change, Vagana says, is there's no longer a perception that high-value players will be protected when they stray.

``There was a perception in the past that the better players in the team were looked after. Now you're seeing guys who played test football banished,'' Vagana says.

``Greg Bird is not around any more, but 10 years ago there's a good chance he wouldn't have been booted out. Cronulla has taken a stand, that's fantastic: it shows bad behaviour won't be tolerated, no matter who you are.''

But addressing the problem means cracking the ``mateship'' code, says Clifton Evers of UNSW, who will return to the NRL later this year for follow-up research with Lumby on whether and how attitudes are changing.

``This is where mateship can get really ugly, where it's about being a mate to bloke-friends, rather than being a mate to the woman in the situation,'' Evers says.

``It becomes about looking after your mates, wanting to belong with your mates. That means women are sexual objects, by and large. If you grow up in a very male-centric culture such as rugby league, then you come across the opinions and ideas of women less.

``That fosters an understanding of relationships that privilege the male over the female.''
He says the NRL must get women involved at all levels. ``The NRL is stepping up to the plate, and what they're finding is ugly stuff. They have a whole older generation who says it's all about the men. The message has to be that women are your mates too, and if they're in a situation with you, it's never just about your male mates. It's about looking after women just as much.''

So is it homoerotic?

Ian Roberts doesn't think so. The only top-level league player to come out as gay, Roberts says group-sex encounters like the 2002 incident are ``not in any way homoerotic to me; it's repulsive; it turns my stomach'', he says.

``I've got no problem with group sex if everyone's open-minded and respectful. I'm a gay man, my God, I'm totally aware it happens, but the idea of one poor girl on her own there in that situation -- it's totally disempowering.''

My theory is...make the woman sign an agreement for group sex...that way she can't go running to ACA after it happens. FFS people. Everyone has regrettable drunken shags...just because you agreed to take part in a gang-bang with a bunch of footballers doesn't make you any more special than any other girl who got stuck with a shit shag, or whatever.

As for the chick above...hello. We have these things called Police. Or security. Or whatever. Tell someone when it happens. Not follow a trend and just come out with it when you see how much other girls are getting paid to share their story on ACA.

/grumbles
 

Sym

Well-Known Member
pfft "oh she's come out and caused a scene, I think I will also"
here's an idea...don't slut around with 3 guys unless you are in the porn industry
 
J

jiggles

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Sym said:
pfft "oh she's come out and caused a scene, I think I will also"
here's an idea...don't slut around with 3 guys unless you are in the porn industry

or are actually happy and willing to do it.
 

Ted

Well-Known Member
Sym said:
kiwi woman bragged about it at the time...

For a few weeks by all accounts with what x-buddies are saying and I'd say due to her actions, years of being called a whore eventually got to her.
 
J

jiggles

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Ted said:
Sym said:
kiwi woman bragged about it at the time...

For a few weeks by all accounts with what x-buddies are saying and I'd say due to her actions, years of being called a whore eventually got to her.

Still doesn't change the fact she bragged about it and was willing for it before. Women these days get called a whore for doing pretty much anything, and again starts the double tandards...why aren't these men called whores etc?
 

Ted

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poko said:
Ted said:
Sym said:
kiwi woman bragged about it at the time...

For a few weeks by all accounts with what x-buddies are saying and I'd say due to her actions, years of being called a whore eventually got to her.

Still doesn't change the fact she bragged about it and was willing for it before. Women these days get called a whore for doing pretty much anything, and again starts the double tandards...why aren't these men called whores etc?

Because they only rode the one female where she accommodated 11 men..
Doesn't make it right, but that's my guess.

yes women do get called whores for anything, makes it worse when there is truth behind it.
 

dibo

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poko said:
Ted said:
Sym said:
kiwi woman bragged about it at the time...

For a few weeks by all accounts with what x-buddies are saying and I'd say due to her actions, years of being called a whore eventually got to her.

Still doesn't change the fact she bragged about it and was willing for it before. Women these days get called a whore for doing pretty much anything, and again starts the double tandards...why aren't these men called whores etc?

i don't think she was 'willing for it', if 11 blokes including people coming through the window is what you think she was willing to do. i think she was willing to have two. gus gould is right - when more blokes are coming in through the window and the door unannounced, that's when her supposed 'willingness' is taken out of the game.

it's not an open door policy as soon as her knickers are off.

as for her bragging afterwards, that's a difficult one.

its quite possible that at the time she was genuinely proud to have been associated with so many famous people (the celebrity halo effect).

at the same time there's no reason why she wasn't equally traumatised - she'd just been used as a bucket by 11 blokes, 9 of whom she apparently didn't give permission to.

just after the event the first effect wins out. people are asking how she went after the party, they're excited, she puts a happy face on it.

over time*, the glow wears off and the other effect remains - the hurt doesn't go away.


* and it was only 5 days - it's not like she's chosen the 7 year interval between the event and the 4 corners story
 
J

jiggles

Guest
Which one was only 5 days? I cannot keep up.

And have the players actually been charged by police? Cause wouldn't the smart thing to do be report it to police, rather than run to the papers to get money for their story?
 

dibo

Well-Known Member
She reported it to the cops 5 days later, showing she was distressed about it pretty soon after. The police would have struggled to build a case because of the time elapsed, the number of people and the fact she said yes to two. Doesn't make the others squeaky clean, just that police were unable to build a case with a strong chance of achieving a successful prosecution.
 

clarence

Well-Known Member
dibo said:
She reported it to the cops 5 days later, showing she was distressed about it pretty soon after. The police would have struggled to build a case because of the time elapsed, the number of people and the fact she said yes to two. Doesn't make the others squeaky clean, just that police were unable to build a case with a strong chance of achieving a successful prosecution.

The Police could only do so much in such circumstances (basically she said/he said stand off).

I guess there's now a greater emphasis on any woman affected by such incidents to head straight to a  hospital or call the Police, now this matter has been given publicity. It must be hard, though, for women in such humiliating circumstances to subject themselves to forensic medical examinations and countless hours of giving statements to Police etc.

I suspect that sooner or later, another woman will find themselves in the same boat as the others  but be wise & brave enough to head straight to hospital and provide evidence and a RL player find themselves up on rape charges that will stick. If this sort of behaviour keeps going it is only a matter of time.....

I find it hard to believe that there are people on the Coast who still wants an NRL team located up here. They seem to have trouble behaving themselves as decent human beings at times.
 

Ben

Well-Known Member
and now apparently willy mason has been caught urinating in public but i can't find a news story on it
 

~Floss~

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Aceventura19 said:
and now apparently willy mason has been caught urinating in public but i can't find a news story on it

Telegraph: http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/story/0,22049,25497725-5001021,00.html
 

Ben

Well-Known Member
~Floss~ said:
Aceventura19 said:
and now apparently willy mason has been caught urinating in public but i can't find a news story on it

Telegraph: http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/story/0,22049,25497725-5001021,00.html
thanks, glad to see we all band together to riddicule these idiots
 

fedelta

Well-Known Member
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good on him
 

clarence

Well-Known Member
Sym said:
woopdy doo he pissed in public

OH NOES !?

I think you missed the point. It was a very high profile NRL player that did that...... surely the NRL players have been warned not to do anything that is remotely controversial for the near future.

Maybe Mason would like to offer to pay for the cleaning costs to whoever had to clean up the smell, as some sort of compensation - he's not short of a $.
 

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