New stadium for Mariners?

[MattSimon]

scrapped, and apparently woolies are meant to be building something on the site.

The whole airport's going to go in the next year or so, I have to move my 2 seater to Swansea. Something to do with Iemma being a c*nt

 

[Pete]

I must add:
1) Not associated with Turnbull, only met him 3 times.
2) Not associated with this Balmain Boy guy from SFCU.
3) Had no idea that Wyong RSL was even considering selling this Club Tuggerah.
4) IF it is developed they will have to also fix up the bus interchange at Tuggerah station and the car park facilities there too  -it's a shambles and won't be able to cope with crowds.

shall we call you Prescient Pete? ;D

maybe balmain boy just searched your old post and regurgitated it?

anyway, your point 4 is correct, but it's probably the least of their troubles - a 35k stadium's a big undertaking, just ask john thwaites!

Dibo, really have no idea who Balmain Boy is: although the Mariners do have the most famous 'Balmain Boy' (Nifty Neville Wran) as their Patron. Maybe he wrote the post?

I wasn't thinking of a 35K stadium when I wrote point 4, Dibo. Even if they were to turn the place into an Academy and have shuttle buses etc. and maybe a smallish (5K) showcase stadium, they'd be needing to upgrade what's at Tuggerah Station. It's a bit of an embarrassment and visiting folks would be put off by the looks of the carpark and the pitiful bus stop.

Another thought too. That whole area is pretty floodprone and zoned industrial. I doubt you could get Council to approve any sort of residential complex within the Academy, training development.

 

[Jorome Alexander Bennett]

We can all dream of a world class stadium, but let's be realistic.

What I am excited about, that I heard was trying to be developed and we have discussed previously is:-

World class training facilities
Youth academy training facilites
Accomodation
Elevating small time club to world class professional standard

Without a stadium being built, which I see as quite improbable for now, still the developments that I believe have been previously touted as being built at Tuggerah have great intrinsic and symbollic benefits for our club.

To think of anything like this being built 10 years on from the inception of the club amazes me.
This is the one hundreth year of Rugby League. In 100 years football in Australia, on the central coast, will be amazingly strong. Unfortunately, for football, the world will change so immensely in the coming years, in many ways for better and many ways for worse, that so many things that are valued today will be insignificant in the world of tomorrow.

 

[offtheball]

We can all dream of a world class stadium, but let's be realistic.

What I am excited about, that I heard was trying to be developed and we have discussed previously is:-

World class training facilities
Youth academy training facilites
Accomodation
Elevating small time club to world class professional standard

Without a stadium being built, which I see as quite improbable for now, still the developments that I believe have been previously touted as being built at Tuggerah have great intrinsic and symbollic benefits for our club.

To think of anything like this being built 10 years on from the inception of the club amazes me.
This is the one hundreth year of Rugby League. In 100 years football in Australia, on the central coast, will be amazingly strong. Unfortunately, for football, the world will change so immensely in the coming years, in many ways for better and many ways for worse, that so many things that are valued today will be insignificant in the world of tomorrow.

Well if you look at life in 1908 and life today you don't have to be Nostradamus to make such a prediction.

 

[Bex]

We can all dream of a world class stadium, but let's be realistic.

What I am excited about, that I heard was trying to be developed and we have discussed previously is:-

World class training facilities
Youth academy training facilites
Accomodation
Elevating small time club to world class professional standard

Without a stadium being built, which I see as quite improbable for now, still the developments that I believe have been previously touted as being built at Tuggerah have great intrinsic and symbollic benefits for our club.

To think of anything like this being built 10 years on from the inception of the club amazes me.
This is the one hundreth year of Rugby League. In 100 years football in Australia, on the central coast, will be amazingly strong........

Yeh, but I think what Goldenboy said up to this point is spot on.

 

[goingtoadisco]

We can all dream of a world class stadium, but let's be realistic.

What I am excited about, that I heard was trying to be developed and we have discussed previously is:-

World class training facilities
Youth academy training facilites
Accomodation
Elevating small time club to world class professional standard

Without a stadium being built, which I see as quite improbable for now, still the developments that I believe have been previously touted as being built at Tuggerah have great intrinsic and symbollic benefits for our club.

To think of anything like this being built 10 years on from the inception of the club amazes me.
This is the one hundreth year of Rugby League. In 100 years football in Australia, on the central coast, will be amazingly strong........

Yeh, but I think what Goldenboy said up to this point is spot on.

People have been squezing into football fields for more then 100 years though.

 

[Bex]

No, the point thhat was being made was that all these new facilities are bloody brilliant; especially when you consider how young the A-League competition is.

 

[Jorome Alexander Bennett]

Well if you look at life in 1908 and life today you don't have to be Nostradamus to make such a prediction.

1908 until 2008. In the last century the world has changed more than any other century before. But the changes I suppose between now and 2108 will be far greater than the cumulative changes from 2008BC to 2008AD.

So I have to check myself when I get excited about long term visions for football.
It's academic to think about effects of football infastructure on future generations, in my opinion. Which takes the fun out of it. So I often ignore my own suppositions and daydream about football future any way.

The Mariners have a very strong football future. Gorman has more than money invested in the club. He loves it. Turnbull loves it, it will be the vehicle for his vision. Clive Palmer thinks big for GCU, which is great. Turbull's pockets are no where near as deep. But he thinks big, in terms of long term plans. A marquee player in these early seasons will prove to be insignificant if in 8 years we get relegated to the A2-league and miss out on the riches of TV money. Money spent now on the youth will ensure the future. Basic concepts, but i'm so glad that our clubmen value these ideas and implement them. Man, we are lucky supporters!

 

[FFC Mariner]

As far as the NRL are concerned, its 1970 and thats the way its gonna stay.

You wonder when the penny will drop for them??

 

[Bex]

1908 until 2008. In the last century the world has changed more than any other century before. But the changes I suppose between now and 2108 will be far greater than the cumulative changes from 2008BC to 2008AD.

Damn right. Population growth since mid 1700s is rather scary. Throw the technology revolution into the mix (which really only fired up seriously for the general populous in the 80s) and who knows where we will be in 100 years.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imageopulation_curve.svg

Even so, I don't think football is in danger of dying off in the next 50 years and thats enough time to make a stadium worthwhile. If they build the facilities Goldenboy mentioned above I think it will be obvious whether a new stadium will be needed. For now, they've just got to ensure the plan includes the ability to build a stadium and associated infrastructure in the future and that doesn't necessarily mean a stadium on land they buy now.

 

[brett]

What Goldenboy means is that when we're all in some kind Matrix-realistic virtual reality, where instead of watching the Mariners lose from Bay 16 we can 'be' Lucas Neill and captain the Socceroos to a World Cup victory, or just 'be' surrounded by naked ladies (or men), it's hard to imagine how football or any sport will continue to exist.

It's not far away folks.

 

[midfielder]

Well if you look at life in 1908 and life today you don't have to be Nostradamus to make such a prediction.

1908 until 2008. In the last century the world has changed more than any other century before. But the changes I suppose between now and 2108 will be far greater than the cumulative changes from 2008BC to 2008AD.

So I have to check myself when I get excited about long term visions for football.
It's academic to think about effects of football infastructure on future generations, in my opinion. Which takes the fun out of it. So I often ignore my own suppositions and daydream about football future any way.

The Mariners have a very strong football future. Gorman has more than money invested in the club. He loves it. Turnbull loves it, it will be the vehicle for his vision. Clive Palmer thinks big for GCU, which is great. Turbull's pockets are no where near as deep. But he thinks big, in terms of long term plans. A marquee player in these early seasons will prove to be insignificant if in 8 years we get relegated to the A2-league and miss out on the riches of TV money. Money spent now on the youth will ensure the future. Basic concepts, but i'm so glad that our clubmen value these ideas and implement them. Man, we are lucky supporters!

Insightful and thoughtful comments  Goldenboy and as Bret said Matrix-realistic virtual reality is closer than we think.  A perfect example . One of my sons is studying IT networking and one of his part time lectures keeps telling the class of a holograph project he is working on.

The part time teacher works on a project in part funded by FIFA aimed at  broadcasting world cup matches to numerous stadiums around the world, if not 2010 .  by 2014 using holographs and says in you where in ANZ stadium you would swear you where at the match.

The teacher has taken the class to a company in Sydney were they holographed one guard walking up and down but it looks like they have about 8 guards . Very interesting stuff .. also massively expensive to set up .. but equally applies to other sports like big  boxing matches, basketball etc

 

[Ursus]

Damn right. Population growth since mid 1700s is rather scary. Throw the technology revolution into the mix (which really only fired up seriously for the general populous in the 80s) and who knows where we will be in 100 years.

My guess would be something similar to about 800 years ago in very isolated pockets (if we are lucky).

 

[marinerbhoy]

As far as the NRL are concerned, its 1970 and thats the way its gonna stay.

You wonder when the penny will drop for them??

really? i think think the fans are stuck in the past, and the nrl has moved too far forward and abandoned them.

 

[Gav...]

As far as the NRL are concerned, its 1970 and thats the way its gonna stay.

You wonder when the penny will drop for them??

really? i think think the fans are stuck in the past, and the nrl has moved too far forward and abandoned them.

No its definatley the NRL stuck in the 1970's

 

[skilbeck]

Damn right. Population growth since mid 1700s is rather scary. Throw the technology revolution into the mix (which really only fired up seriously for the general populous in the 80s) and who knows where we will be in 100 years.

My guess would be something similar to about 800 years ago in very isolated pockets (if we are lucky).

Heres some wikipedia articles
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malthusian_catastrophe
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malthusian_growth_model
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medieval_demography
the last one is because history repeats itself

 

[marinerbhoy]

this thread is geos219 all over again

 

[nero]

Really hope the A-League 2 doesn't come in for the next 10 years at least

 

[Ursus]

Damn right. Population growth since mid 1700s is rather scary. Throw the technology revolution into the mix (which really only fired up seriously for the general populous in the 80s) and who knows where we will be in 100 years.

My guess would be something similar to about 800 years ago in very isolated pockets (if we are lucky).

Heres some wikipedia articles
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malthusian_catastrophe
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malthusian_growth_model
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medieval_demography
the last one is because history repeats itself

A real economists view.
We have been able to cope with density independent forms of population controls so far, however sooner or later density depedent forms will kick in and it will not be pretty.
Either plague or we drown in our own waste (most prolly CO2).
Eat drink and be meerry...........

 

[Ursus]

this thread is geos219 all over again

A shame Biol 333 was not still on offer when you did the unit, Biol 368 may still have had some of the content (especially if Westoby was still lecturing).