New Mariners Coach?

[pjennings]

Maybe - but most of the names are crap - and do not add anything - that was the point of my post. Change for a reason - not for a change,

 

[Roy Law]

don't give me this crap that there is no one better. Lawrie's time is up.

I'm not going to take either side of whether Lawrie should stay or go.

However, to answer you Roy - the problem is not there is no-one better - the problem is the replacements mentioned aren't better. If that is the case - why change,
If it is decided that Lawrie goes - let's not just replace him for the sake of it. Use it as an opportunity to take the club to a higher level. 

Lawrie's record in the last thirteen months is why we have to change. It has to be one of the worst records in professional football.
Quite frankly I don't care whom comes in, it can't be any worse. I'd even say Terry Butcher would do better but I might get one of those red card thingies 

 

[Forum Phoenix]

I care who comes in.

Kossie is a total wanker that been sacked twice while Lawrie was getting us into the finals and consistently building our club. Arnold has the ire of virtually every football fan in Australia. Just can't see how replacing Lawrie with proven failed/asshole Australian coaches can be a good way forward.

I'd take Van Egmond. But I'd say that was very unlikely.

I honestly think that the worst aspect of Lawrie's coaching has probably been misjudged his faith in some of his key players. This is still an aspect of poor coaching so he simply has to take responsibility. But players like D Mac, Simon and Elrich and while not in the four weeks, but certainly before that, Mrdja, have failed him. Lawrie has shown a lot of faith... too much in my opinion. And now it will cost him, and it has, damaging an impressive coaching reputation up until only about 12 months ago and will likely cost him an early exit from his job.

And this is not being apologetic, I am not arguing he shouldn't necessarily go, but the fact that we have not done well ever since we stopped spending the cap and haven't had a marquee is unlikely to just be coincidence.

It doesn't always happen overnight. But as Man oil money City and Chelski show - having the dosh to buy quality will of course make a pretty big bloody difference.

Have to say that if we had signed say Miller and a Marquee... VERY hard to believe we would not be in a quite a different possy right now. Look at the difference Ifill has made to Wellington. Just one player has had an enormous impact for them.

I've said from the beginning of the season that we were a couple of key signings short. Coincidence that AUFC and CCM the two teams operating under cap have had such bad seasons?

The fact is we do not have one of the best teams. While we were somewhat close, and I think and it showed with some of our results... but we were not close enough - and with not enough depth.

So personally, I could be wrong, but I still think Lawrie is likely one of the best coaches in the A league as he used to be believed to be... and if we spent, we'd probably see that those other seasons were not just a fluke and that he's lost the plot.

But now he has lost the confidence of the bulk of supporters and so unless CCM make a change or come forward with a big talk on direction to the fans and the like - with some exciting news on marquees etc - then its hard to believe we are going to see positive change next season.

 

[FFC Mariner]

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Arnoldout

 

[~Floss~]

What FP said.

... especially this bit:

Have to say that if we had signed say Miller and a Marquee... VERY hard to believe we would not be in a quite a different possy right now. Look at the difference Ifill has made to Wellington. Just one player has had an enormous impact for them.

I've said from the beginning of the season that we were a couple of key signings short. Coincidence that AUFC and CCM the two teams operating under cap have had such bad seasons?

The fact is we do not have one of the best teams. While we were somewhat close, and I think and it showed with some of our results... but we were not close enough - and with not enough depth.

Can't count the number of times I've tried to explain this when standing around drinking after a game and having to elaborate on an answer to the question "did they lose again?"

Add 1 or 2 players with the quality to turn games around, the rest of the squad wouldn't be looking too bad IMO.

 

[tyson]

I've said from the beginning of the season that we were a couple of key signings short. Coincidence that AUFC and CCM the two teams operating under cap have had such bad seasons?

Sorry to ruin your essay, but doesn't every club have to operate under the cap?

 

[Arabmariner]

Ok is this a given that Arnold is coming in ?

If they are going to change the coach they should advertise the position imo.Put the feelers out and we could be surprised at what turns up.Interview prospective candidates.........we could uncover the next Jose or Sir Alex.

A good coach doesn't necesarily have to be proven.......it could be worth taking a punt on someone untried who comes across well in an interview.They all start somewhere and at this level and on the sort of money we're likely to be paying we're hardly likely to be attracting world renowned coaches are we ?

 

[Jimmy]

I've said from the beginning of the season that we were a couple of key signings short. Coincidence that AUFC and CCM the two teams operating under cap have had such bad seasons?

Sorry to ruin your essay, but doesn't every club have to operate under the cap?

Could operate "on" the cap maybe.

 

[mariners4ever]

Ok is this a given that Arnold is coming in ?

If they are going to change the coach they should advertise the position imo.Put the feelers out and we could be surprised at what turns up.Interview prospective candidates.........we could uncover the next Jose or Sir Alex.

A good coach doesn't necesarily have to be proven.......it could be worth taking a punt on someone untried who comes across well in an interview.They all start somewhere and at this level and on the sort of money we're likely to be paying we're hardly likely to be attracting world renowned coaches are we ?

+1
just shows they have little or not much football knowledge, let tony walmsey take reins for a few weeks, advertise the position to BOTH domestic and international coaches and see what happens, if no suitable coaches apply, THEN go for arnoldout

 

[marinermick]

http://www.theworldgame.com.au/a-league/coach-shake-up-on-the-cards-285182


Embattled North Queensland coach Ian Ferguson is set to be the loser in an A-League coaching reshuffle which could result in Graham Arnold taking charge at Central Coast next season and current Mariners coach Lawrie McKinna at Fury.

It is a chain reaction that has been sparked, in part, by first-time coach Ferguson's failure to man-manage Fury star Robbie Fowler and McKinna's inability to steer the Mariners to the finals this season.
While McKinna has a year to run on his current deal, he has only been offered a community development role at the club next season and may not be able to resist a move north to take the reins from Ferguson, his former assistant in Gosford.
Fury boss Don Matheson is thought to have become disenchanted with Ferguson's style of leadership but will have to come up with a severance package in the region of $300,000 to terminate his contract, which has two years remaining.
The final straw for Matheson, according to sources from within the club, was Ferguson's fall out with Fowler which culminated in the Liverpool legend deciding to sit in the stands rather than the bench when he was told he would be a substitute against Brisbane Roar in round 23.
But the Fury chief played a straight bat on Monday when asked whether Ferguson would be at the club next season, insisting: "Some of the speculation over his future is despicable and doesn't help the club or the coach. He has two years left on his contract and we expect to honour that."
The club's subsequent bid to turn the row into a love-in between the pair has highlighted the fact they are incompatible. Fowler may also be on the way out a year before his deal expires with his wife Kerrie believed to be unhappy with life in Townsville.
McKinna is in the mix for the role along with John Paul D'Marigny - the current Australia Under-17 coach, and former Socceroos striker Damien Mori, who is coaching Adelaide City.
Fury is understood to be losing up to $60,000 a week and could be the next recipient of a rescue package from the FFA, which already bankrolls Adelaide United.
Mariners majority shareholder Peter Turnbull refused to comment on McKinna's future when approached on Sunday but TWG sources claim the club feels he has taken them as far as he can and it's time to move in a new direction.
They are eighth, seven points adrift of the play-offs, and left with nothing but pride to play for this season after a horror run which has seen them pick up four points from a possible 30.
While the community development job offer appears to be something of a token gesture to a loyal servant who took the Mariners to a premiership and an Asian Champions League berth, McKinna won't hesitate to head to the tropics once the messy Ferguson situation is resolved.
The Mariners vacancy, once it is rubber-stamped, has been earmarked for Arnold, whose contract with the Socceroos expires after the 2010 World Cup in South Africa.
Arnold has made no secret of his desire to return to the local football landscape he left in 2001 after a three-year stint with Northern Spirit in the National Soccer League.
The one-time interim Socceroos coach has worked under the tutelage of Guus Hiddink and Pim Verbeek and is viewed by the Mariners as an ideal replacement for McKinna.

http://www.theworldgame.com.au/a-league/coach-shake-up-on-the-cards-285182

 

[mariners4ever]

hang on, wtf, TBH i dont see mckinna taking the spot at the fury especially when he would be repacing his mate fergie

 

[Arabmariner]

hang on, wtf, TBH i dont see mckinna taking the spot at the fury especially when he would be repacing his mate fergie

No mates in this game 

 

[Arabmariner]

Fergie'll end up in the Scottish lower leagues next season.

 

[MagpieMariner]

You never know, if Fury is really considering LM, we might be considering Fergie.
If Fergie is the coach that LM isn't (according to some opinions here), then a straight swap might work.
I don't know enough to form an opinion about Fergie's ability, but it is a thought.

 

[elevated position]

You never know, if Fury is really considering LM, we might be considering Fergie.
If Fergie is the coach that LM isn't (according to some opinions here), then a straight swap might work.
I don't know enough to form an opinion about Fergie's ability, but it is a thought.

My thoughts about fergies role are that as a team he and LM worked good. good cop bad cop however he is not the one for the future of CCM and if it is GA then he will bring his own agenda and we the critics will soon see.
By the look at how the season went I ask the question was Lawrie privy to this scenario ten weeks ago???

 

[bulldogmariner]

Maybe Arnold could bring in our new marquee Brett Holman

 

[mariners4ever]

Maybe Arnold could bring in our new marquee Brett Holman

please no

 

[Tassiemariner]

If we get rid of Mckinna why bring in fergie?
How will that change anything as they are 2 very similiar managers who's philosophies are identical.
If we get a new manager it has to be someone with no previous ties with the club.

 

[bulldogmariner]

No one needs to worry Arnie will be here soon.

 

[FFC Mariner]

Is it me or did the world just become a darker place.

Dont eyeball the guy who has worked for you for 5 seasons and tell him its time to go. That takes balls and costs you money.

Instead, undermine and humiliate him

Classy