New Mariners Coach?

[dibo]

We'll cross that bridge when we come to it then eh?

 

[Ursus]

What if the grumpy old bastard happens to be wrong?

Seeing as the posts to which we are referring are opinions, one can neither be right nor wrong.

The exceptions are;

LBW decisions which are out, "if in the umpire's opinion etc......."

And forum moderators, who are always correct.

 

[kevrenor]

What if the grumpy old bastard happens to be wrong?

Seeing as the posts to which we are referring are opinions, one can neither be right nor wrong.

The exceptions are;

LBW decisions which are out, "if in the umpire's opinion etc......."

And forum moderators, who are always correct.

Correct ...

Please note that I am older, and grumpier, than you so don't get uppity!

PS. I join your ranks on Thursday!! Woohoo ..

 

[Ursus]

Congratulations, glad you made it.

I can recommend it. I am still smiling after 6 months, and apart from here am losing my grumpy reputation.

The one problem is there are not enough hours in the day.

Enjoy.

 

[striker]

Congratulations, glad you made it.

I can recommend it. I am still smiling after 6 months, and apart from here am losing my grumpy reputation.

The one problem is there are not enough hours in the day.

Enjoy.

what a lazy bum! ......... when I was your age I was still working...hehehehehehe

 

[Ursus]

Congratulations, glad you made it.

I can recommend it. I am still smiling after 6 months, and apart from here am losing my grumpy reputation.

The one problem is there are not enough hours in the day.

Enjoy.

what a lazy bum! ......... when I was your age I was still working...hehehehehehe

Good to see you are still hard at it.

Somebody has to support us poor old pensioners.

 

[marinermick]

Mariners pour cold water on Graham Arnold link

By John Taylor

July 11, 2009 12:00am

CENTRAL Coast yesterday put to bed persistent rumours that Graham Arnold was coming on board the coaching staff before the start of the A-League season.

"Let me just say that Lawrie McKinna is not under siege and nor is his assistant Alex Tobin," Mariners chief executive Lyall Gorman said. "They are in Canberra now preparing the team and will continue to have control throughout the season.

"Lawrie is the football manager, Alex is an assistant but we still don't have a head coach since Ian Ferguson left to join North Queensland."

Gorman admitted he had spoken to Arnold but had not had formal discussions with the Socceroos' assistant coach.

"He is contracted to Football Federation Australia until the end of the World Cup," Gorman said. "If and when he becomes available, we'd be silly not to talk to him. He's one of the most respected coaches in Australia."

McKinna said he was not opposed to Arnold or someone else coming in as head coach.

"I have a contract for another two years," McKinna said yesterday. "Apart from coaching, I also have a lot of other administrative work to do in this role. I have not even spoken to Graham. My only focus is getting the team fit and adding the right mix of players. We are still trialling some players and have three coming out from Scotland, Serbia and South America next week."

McKinna said he had been impressed by one triallist, Gary Wales.

The Mariners will line up against ACT Rockets today and then face Gold Coast and Wellington before their first game in the A-League against champions Melbourne Victory on August 6.

 

[clarence]

Thanx for that info Marinermick, but it barely puts the issue at rest if you read between the lines.

1) First paragraph mentions: "Before the start of the A-League season" but nothing about thereafter, right?
2)Lyall obviously has been smoking crack cocaine if he thinks Arnoldout is "one of the most respected coaches in Australia".
3) Lyall mentions Arnoldout's existing contracted obligations but still leaves the door open for the future after that contract!
4) Both Lyall and Lawrie hint towards the need for a head coach.

 

[FFC Mariner]

Crying need for a head coach......tick

Arnoldout is one of the most respected coaches in Australia? Stop talking now or people will stop laughing at you and think you have lost the plot completely

 

[clarence]

Crying need for a head coach......tick

Well, there is a recently departed player that the cxlub released who has some coaching qualifications - Gumps!

Also, I believe Wayne O'Sullivan is working in Northern NSW Association ATM, maybe he has the respect and qualifications to do the job?

 

[FFC Mariner]

But you have to be able to pay them. Right now, I suspect we just dont have the spare cash to invest

 

[clarence]

But you have to be able to pay them. Right now, I suspect we just dont have the spare cash to invest

While I understand that the money could be an issue, I also think that employing someone like Sully or Gumps, who have just recently completed their playing careers at this level AND have upped their qualifications from what I understand, would provide the club with an enthusiastic, well respected head coach who still has the physical ability to get in and hack if he has to prove a point, and not some ex-National Coach staffer who drags his sorry ass into some ill fitting trackie dacks, says "right o, who's the half back here?", and looks like some Uncle to a board member who's been given the job out of sympathy!

In summary, I think that Sully and Gumps would make a better go of it than Arnold and the chain of command wouldn't get confused with old player/coach situations between Lawrie and the incumbent.

 

[dibo]

We would do well to promote from within the ranks - developing our people and keeping the ethos of our club solid would be good.

I'd quite like to see Sully or Gumps in there.

 

[clarence]

We would do well to promote from within the ranks - developing our people and keeping the ethos of our club solid would be good.

I'd quite like to see Sully or Gumps in there.

Well, if you look at it from that angle, maybe put Tobin in at Head Coach and have either Sully or Gumps - or someone like them - in at Assistant Coach or whatever Tobin's title is!

BTW, I think the club has done alright with that philosophy by putting Crawley on as Goalkeeping Coach when he couldn't continue playing and mentoring Clark into the Strength and Conditioning Coach role while at the same time putting him through his doctorate or whatever extra Uni study he did recently, with the view of having him wind down his career and end up a Sports Scientist. We've also got Damien Brown on staff too.

 

[dru]

We would do well to promote from within the ranks - developing our people and keeping the ethos of our club solid would be good.

I'd quite like to see Sully or Gumps in there.

Well, if you look at it from that angle, maybe put Tobin in at Head Coach and have either Sully or Gumps - or someone like them - in at Assistant Coach or whatever Tobin's title is!

BTW, I think the club has done alright with that philosophy by putting Crawley on as Goalkeeping Coach when he couldn't continue playing and mentoring Clark into the Strength and Conditioning Coach role while at the same time putting him through his doctorate or whatever extra Uni study he did recently, with the view of having him wind down his career and end up a Sports Scientist. We've also got Damien Brown on staff too.

Never promote a former player directly into head coach, sorry it is the same with a manager, they either need a change in club or for the mate thing to wear off over a couple of years.

No problem with them coming in assistants or specialist, like Crawley did as coaching or Clarky from the beginning as fitness.

 

[David Votoupal]

Bristol City with Brian Tinnion comes to mind. Gave them sterling service as a player, sweet left foot, scored for them at Anfield, but then he failed as a manager.

With the season getting closer, I think we can lay it out like this. The coming season, especially the first half, will be the biggest test for Lawrie and CCM in the club's existence thus far. The record says it all in 2009- 11 competitive games without a win (5 HAL, 6 ACL) is unacceptable by any standard and looks even worse with the shorter seasons of A-League clubs. The test is to reverse this slide as quickly as possible and achieve a respectable start to the season at least.

Being able to reverse this slide is what any good manager is capable of. For all the criticisms of Lawrie, it's not like we're making him out to be a poor manager- far from it he's been one of the better in the league. It doesn't help either that any team in this league would be weakened by the loss of a few players- it happened with Melbourne and Adelaide Utd in V3, but both Merrick and Vidmar were well able to rectify this. Let's see if McKinna can do the same.

 

[A.W.E.S.O.M-O]

Bristol City with Brian Tinnion comes to mind. Gave them sterling service as a player, sweet left foot, scored for them at Anfield, but then he failed as a manager.

NO WAY !!!!

 

[Ursus]

We would do well to promote from within the ranks - developing our people and keeping the ethos of our club solid would be good.

I'd quite like to see Sully or Gumps in there.

Well, if you look at it from that angle, maybe put Tobin in at Head Coach and have either Sully or Gumps - or someone like them - in at Assistant Coach or whatever Tobin's title is!

BTW, I think the club has done alright with that philosophy by putting Crawley on as Goalkeeping Coach when he couldn't continue playing and mentoring Clark into the Strength and Conditioning Coach role while at the same time putting him through his doctorate or whatever extra Uni study he did recently, with the view of having him wind down his career and end up a Sports Scientist. We've also got Damien Brown on staff too.

Never promote a former player directly into head coach, sorry it is the same with a manager, they either need a change in club or for the mate thing to wear off over a couple of years.

No problem with them coming in assistants or specialist, like Crawley did as coaching or Tommy from the beginning as fitness.

Good call.

We really need another Ian Ferguson. Good and hard.

 

[goingtoadisco]

We would do well to promote from within the ranks - developing our people and keeping the ethos of our club solid would be good.

I'd quite like to see Sully or Gumps in there.

Well, if you look at it from that angle, maybe put Tobin in at Head Coach and have either Sully or Gumps - or someone like them - in at Assistant Coach or whatever Tobin's title is!

BTW, I think the club has done alright with that philosophy by putting Crawley on as Goalkeeping Coach when he couldn't continue playing and mentoring Clark into the Strength and Conditioning Coach role while at the same time putting him through his doctorate or whatever extra Uni study he did recently, with the view of having him wind down his career and end up a Sports Scientist. We've also got Damien Brown on staff too.

Never promote a former player directly into head coach, sorry it is the same with a manager, they either need a change in club or for the mate thing to wear off over a couple of years.

No problem with them coming in assistants or specialist, like Crawley did as coaching or Tommy from the beginning as fitness.

Good call.

We really need another Ian Ferguson. Good and hard.

Maybe he will come back after fail ?

 

[Jesus]

We would do well to promote from within the ranks - developing our people and keeping the ethos of our club solid would be good.

I'd quite like to see Sully or Gumps in there.

Well, if you look at it from that angle, maybe put Tobin in at Head Coach and have either Sully or Gumps - or someone like them - in at Assistant Coach or whatever Tobin's title is!

BTW, I think the club has done alright with that philosophy by putting Crawley on as Goalkeeping Coach when he couldn't continue playing and mentoring Clark into the Strength and Conditioning Coach role while at the same time putting him through his doctorate or whatever extra Uni study he did recently, with the view of having him wind down his career and end up a Sports Scientist. We've also got Damien Brown on staff too.

Never promote a former player directly into head coach, sorry it is the same with a manager, they either need a change in club or for the mate thing to wear off over a couple of years.

No problem with them coming in assistants or specialist, like Crawley did as coaching or Clarky from the beginning as fitness.

Exactly the problem arnold and farina had as national team manager, they were just some of the boys.

Frank at Brisbane has been able to have more control due to not having recently played with all the players, as well as having respect as a former national team manager