Merged Thread - Danny Vukovic Red Card (outcome page 42)

[marinersman]

Andre should be severely reprimanded for this. It is not funny, clever or in good taste. Very bad form.

What I find saddest of all....Is the way people have reacted to Andre's outfit...
Why can't people take it, with the humour it was intended with?
I think it's wrong of people to make judgment on his clothing....and it's such a small minority that are having a gripe,
Heck he didn't murder someone.. he didn't rape someone, he placed on a costume, that millions of people have worn before... I could say some of the other outfits were offensive...
But when all is said and done... it's there day to let down their hair, and have a laugh at themselves...
It's not right to cast judgement on that!!!

Sorry Mods, I know this should be on the other thread but I want to respond to this as it was posted here. I hope that all right.

Fishmum, I respect your views an opinions just like I do with everyone else that posts here. The great thing about this forum is the amount of intelligent posts with all different points of view.

However, I can't agree with you about your above comment. It is not funny and there is no humour in dressing like someone who was responsible for exterminating millions of people because of race. Nor is it funny to dress like a man who started the largest world war in history believing it was his right to rule the world because he thought he was a part of a superior race.

Because of this evil man, tens of millions if not hundreds of millions of people died.

I go to Israel regularly on business and I have been to the National Holocaust Museum in Jerusalem. It was the most disturbing, life changing experience I have had. I have never forgotten it and never will.

Anybody who is affected directly or indirectly by WWII or is Jewish would find it and have found it extremely offensive and rightly so.

Sorry, I probably come on a big strong, but it's something I feel very strongly about.  

I'll have a bex and a lie down now.

 

[thomas477]

The ref cant change a goal kick to a penalty, only change possible i believe is a goal kick to corner or a throw in

 

[marconigirl]

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/02/26/2173077.htm?section=sport
Vukovic dumped from Olyroos friendly

Posted 56 minutes ago
Updated 6 minutes ago
Big loss... Danny Vukovic has been a crucial component of the Olyroos' march to Beijing

Central Coast Mariners goal-keeper Danny Vukovic has been withdrawn from the Olyroos squad for a friendly against Mexico in San Franciso on Sunday.

Vukovic has been banned for nine months after striking referee Mark Shield during the Mariner's 1-0 loss to Newcastle in the A-League grand final on Sunday afternoon.

But Football Federation Australia (FFA) is still deciding whether the ban will apply during this year's Olympics.

Olyroos coach Graham Arnold says losing Vukovic will be a big blow.

"At the moment the fact that he's not playing in the Mexico game is a huge loss for us," Arnold said.

"He played in all the qualifiers all the way through, and in the last six or seven games he only let in one goal and he was a major factor in that.

"I feel for the kid, he's a wonderful kid, and hopefully it'll all be sorted out soon."

 

[graaant]

What the f**k!?
I thought this wasn't extended to National duties yet!?

If not dumped by Arnold, then by who? Who are the FFA to ban him if the ban isn't extended to National matches!?

I'm so confused!

 

[marconigirl]

Havent seen this on here yet,  we knew it was going to happen, but this is proof!?!?

http://news.theage.com.au/mariners-to-appeal-vukovic-ban/20080226-1uw8.html
Mariners to appeal Vukovic ban

February 26, 2008 - 2:33PM
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Central Coast Mariners have announced they will appeal the lengthy suspension handed to goalkeeper Danny Vukovic for striking referee Mark Shield in the A-League grand final.

Football Federation Australia Monday night slapped Vukovic with a 15-month ban for the incident, with six months of it suspended and only activated if he re-offends within a year of returning.

Vukovic was shown a red card in Sunday night's 1-0 loss to Newcastle after hitting Shield on the arm when a late penalty appeal was turned down for what television replays showed was a hand ball by Jets midfielder James Holland.

The Mariners said on Tuesday Vukovic was full of remorse but confirmed they would appeal the severity of the penalty.

"We can say that Danny deeply regrets his actions and he apologised to the referee immediately after the game verbally and today he has sent a formal written apology to the referee as well as to the referee's manager of the FFA and to the FFA," Mariners executive chairman Lyall Gorman said.

"I can say it's sincere. I think you all know Danny's record on and off the field and there's tremendous remorse in his action on the weekend.

"The club is of the view that the severity of the sanction for such a player of his record is excessive, despite the serious nature of the charge."

Gorman said he had written to the FFA asking the appeal be heard as quickly as possible: "to put Danny's mind at ease and let both the club and Danny plan for the future."

The Olyroos regular's ban threatens his chance to represent Australia at the Beijing Olympics in August with FFA still deciding whether the ban will extend beyond the A-League into national team duty.

The Mariners also issued a formal apology after the FFA launched an investigation into an incident involving Andre Gumprecht and Tony Vidmar at the Mariners' end-of-year celebrations on Monday.

Gumprecht appeared in a photograph dressed as Adolf Hitler while departing veteran Vidmar was dressed as 'God' with his face blackened.

FFA CEO Ben Buckley described the players' actions as "stupid" while Jewish groups have labelled the stunt as being in poor taste.

Gorman defended the character of both players, saying they did not mean to cause offence.

"The club has determined following speaking with both players that neither meant any offence or insensitivity with their costumes in any way," Gorman said.

"We've reinforced vigorously with the players today they need to be particularly careful in relation to sensitive issues which may cause offence to the public or particular sectors of it.

"To that extent, on behalf of the players if any groups were offended by their dress yesterday the club and the players apologise and reiterate that no such offence was intended."

 

[marconigirl]

What the f**k!?
I thought this wasn't extended to National duties yet!?

If not dumped by Arnold, then by who? Who are the FFA to ban him if the ban isn't extended to National matches!?

I'm so confused!

Maybe they are just not letting him play untill it is all sorted out... no point in letting him get over there ready to play if they turn around and say "sorry no go".
My theory anyway...

 

[graaant]

What the f**k!?
I thought this wasn't extended to National duties yet!?

If not dumped by Arnold, then by who? Who are the FFA to ban him if the ban isn't extended to National matches!?

I'm so confused!

Maybe they are just not letting him play untill it is all sorted out... no point in letting him get over there ready to play if they turn around and say "sorry no go".
My theory anyway...

Yeah, that's fair enough, but for christ's sake, it shouldn't come to this.
It's a clear yes or no answer, why jeopardise the kid's career even more because you can't make up your damn mind!?
This is absolutely poor.

 

[marconigirl]

exactly, very poorly handled...

btw- this is an article about Dannys ban and everything and the pic they have is the Jets mad monday... whats with that? http://www.smh.com.au/news/a-league/ban-to-end-vukovics-olympics/2008/02/25/1203788247348.html

 

[graaant]

exactly, very poorly handled...

btw- this is an article about Dannys ban and everything and the pic they have is the Jets mad monday... whats with that? http://www.smh.com.au/news/a-league/ban-to-end-vukovics-olympics/2008/02/25/1203788247348.html

I'm considering writing to the FFA about Griffith's shirt.
It's in poor taste and I'm personally horrified, let alone offended.

 

[dannysgirl]

What the f**k!?
I thought this wasn't extended to National duties yet!?

If not dumped by Arnold, then by who? Who are the FFA to ban him if the ban isn't extended to National matches!?

I'm so confused!

Maybe they are just not letting him play untill it is all sorted out... no point in letting him get over there ready to play if they turn around and say "sorry no go".
My theory anyway...

My understanding was that, as the olyroos were playing the friendly on monday, and Danny was due to appear before the FFA that same day, well he can't really be in two places at once now can he?

 

[timp]

We should all make a petition-like letter and send it to Danny with messages and best wishes etc. He is probably extremely down at the moment.
Good idea? or nah?

A petition is being constructed as we speak. It will probably be up and running by midnight tonight. I will post the link here when it is done.
I am the creator of the SAVE DANNY -THE DANNY VUKOVIC SUPPORT GROUP on facebook.
we are getting all the details sorted out and will have a link up asap.
For those of you with facebook, join the group to show support.
we have about 500 members at this stage. the link for that is:
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=9241598906

we are planning to get DANNY masks made, and we are planning a mass boycott of all AWAY games during the next season, until Danny is reinstated. we are also throwing up ideas to get t-shirts made with our slogan "VIVA VUKOVIC" and other slogans on it, to show our support.

that link again:
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=9241598906

more on the petition to follow.

 

[graaant]

What the f**k!?
I thought this wasn't extended to National duties yet!?

If not dumped by Arnold, then by who? Who are the FFA to ban him if the ban isn't extended to National matches!?

I'm so confused!

Maybe they are just not letting him play untill it is all sorted out... no point in letting him get over there ready to play if they turn around and say "sorry no go".
My theory anyway...

My understanding was that, as the olyroos were playing the friendly on monday, and Danny was due to appear before the FFA that same day, well he can't really be in two places at once now can he?

Well, now you're just underestimating the bloke! =P

 

[marconigirl]

haha...

I was just thinking, if Danny wasn't wearing the goalies gloves, would that have made a difference???
think about it, they are quite thick, and he didn't even know if he had made contact...

"Danny spoke to Mark after the game," Gorman said.
"He was full of emotion as you can imagine, he wasn't clear if there was any contact with the referee but apologised to Mark if there was." (Reporting by Julian Linden; Editing by John O'Brien) http://football.guardian.co.uk/breakingnews/feedstory/0,,-7334841,00.html

Would shields have made such a big deal if it was just his normal hand??? I would say no, but that would be thinking that Shields was a normal human being, not an FFA clone to bring down small clubs (wearing my tin foil hat right now.. )

 

[Blackadder]

The whole thing about this FFA suspension, is the whole secrecy of the whole meeting why don't they want the hearing to be transperant, such as the NRL,AFL etc.
More justice could be found in a Bali courtroom than what Danny recieved via the FFA.

 

[kevrenor]

The whole thing about this FFA suspension, is the whole secrecy of the whole meeting why don't they wan't the hearing to be transperant, such as the NRL,AFL etc.
More justice could be found in a Bali courtroom than what Danny recieved via the FFA.

No natural justice ... no facing your accusers! This FFA creation is a Kangaroo Court or Star Chamber, at which the referees actions are infallible!

 

[john_kowolski]

Here's my view.... 

I was at the game. What Danny did was wrong, there is no doubting that. However, he had no intention of placing Shield in any harm what-so-ever. He was not violent. He did not want to injure him. It looked like a pump of the fist and Shield seemed to take it (i.e fell back into it.). He apologised after the match to Shield, so this demonstrates his remorse. He's clearly been upset by the whole incident.

When you compare this to Griffiths incident...Don't crap on about not using it to compare, becuase he struck an official END OF STORY. Griffiths, closed fist, hitting AR in the balls. Could he make it any more obvious. Danny merely gave Shield a high five.

Now onto the quality of refereeing. Please help us....I say we invade Asia and just pay Malaysians and Japanese and Middle Eastern refs, because our standard is $hithouse. Peter Green is the best of a worst bunch, and the AR's are even worse.

In regards to the handball, how did the AR, Ben ?? (50m away) see it and have been 100% certain to call it, get it right, yet the other moron on the near side, Nathan Gibson (meant to best the best AR) not give it. Shield even missed it. HOW??

Look, Danny is an awesome figure not only for CCM but for the community.  He gave up his time last week to go to Narara Valley High, and is always out and about in the community. He has had a perfect record since he arrived. He doesn't deserve anything more than 3 months suspension, because of his remorse, and the Griffiths incident.

If he doesn't get a reduction, he'll be gone. More so as a screw-over to the FFA. All they're going to do is cost themsleves a medal at the olympics, (face it, no u/23 keeper is anywhere near as good as him). At least the Sheffield Utd. partnership might help him get into Europe???

Your honour...I rest my case

PS If he doesn't get off I guess all the kids will know that its OK to hit a ref in the balls, just don't ever high five him or shake his hand.

 

[skilbeck]

The whole thing about this FFA suspension, is the whole secrecy of the whole meeting why don't they wan't the hearing to be transperant, such as the NRL,AFL etc.
More justice could be found in a Bali courtroom than what Danny recieved via the FFA.

No natural justice ... no facing your accusers! This FFA creation is a Kangaroo Court or Star Chamber, at which the referees actions are infallible!

this article gives the names of this secret court

http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/story/0,22049,23276285-5006068,00.html

the terror state that:
"As a red-card offence, Vukovic's dismissal was automatically referred to the FFA's independent match review panel. But unlike the other major codes, the case was reviewed by a disciplinary hearing in secret, with FFA chiefs refusing even to name its members.

However, The Daily Telegraph has learned that the two-man body comprised former Socceroo turned successful lawyer Peter Tredinnick and former NSL referee Simon Micallef"

just in case anyones interested

 

[Capn Gus Bloodbeard]

Surely 2 people isn't enough to judge on something like this?

Though at least the nature of the 2 people involved are on both sides of the coin, so to speak...

 

[skilbeck]

i dont know if anyone else is involved

 

[Blackadder]

The whole thing about this FFA suspension, is the whole secrecy of the whole meeting why don't they wan't the hearing to be transperant, such as the NRL,AFL etc.
More justice could be found in a Bali courtroom than what Danny recieved via the FFA.

No natural justice ... no facing your accusers! This FFA creation is a Kangaroo Court or Star Chamber, at which the referees actions are infallible!

this article gives the names of this secret court

http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/story/0,22049,23276285-5006068,00.html

the terror state that:
"As a red-card offence, Vukovic's dismissal was automatically referred to the FFA's independent match review panel. But unlike the other major codes, the case was reviewed by a disciplinary hearing in secret, with FFA chiefs refusing even to name its members.

However, The Daily Telegraph has learned that the two-man body comprised former Socceroo turned successful lawyer Peter Tredinnick and former NSL referee Simon Micallef"

just in case anyones interested

Yes those two names were mentioned, but surely there has to be more involved or the FFA are evening more of laughing stock than first thought.