Merged Thread - Danny Vukovic Red Card (outcome page 42)

[fedelta]

Good on them for appealing. Hopefully it is downgraded..

 

[skilbeck]

also Kareem i dont think anyone on this forum is denying that Vukovic should get some form of sanction. We just see the inconsistency with griffiths and see that Vukovics ban is somewhat excessive given the circumstances and the comparison with Griffiths

 

[Porett]

The replay showed no contact at all.

Perhaps if the referees get a group booking for the optometrist you should join in. Vukovic himself said he made contact.

 

[marconigirl]

Didn't one of the ass refs call hand ball and it was ignored?

Allegedly, yes - and in that case, Shield should've gone with him.  The only thing I can think of is that maybe that far AR expressed doubt....said something like 'hey Mark, I think there was a handball'.....that's the only reason I can think of for Mark not going with it...either that or the near AR said with certainty that it was accidental.

I personally consider that AR to be one of the worst in the league (he's raped us several times at BT because he's too lazy to get anywhere near in line with the sweeper) - and IIRC he may have been the one who had a hand in the Porter send-off, so it wouldn't surprise me...

accidental or not, it is still a handball...

 

[Kareem]

also Kareem i dont think anyone on this forum is denying that Vukovic should get some form of sanction. We just see the inconsistency with griffiths and see that Vukovics ban is somewhat excessive given the circumstances and the comparison with Griffiths

isnt that wat i said (maybe you were agreeing with me?). I said that

I think that what we are most aggrievated about is the INCONSISTENCY of the refereeing.

So just wrapping it up, someone (jets supporter) was suggesting it was hypocritical that we called for bad thigns to happen to Griffiths when he hit linemsan and we wont accpet that for Vukovic. The reason thats happening is a result of Griffiths being let off. If Griffiths was rightly charged than we would not protest a ban against Vukovic (because it would be consistent!)

Thats what i said. I was sayin we arent hypocritical...95% mariners fans understand the need for a ban. It just gets confusing when you throw in what happened to Griffiths!

 

[Capn Gus Bloodbeard]

accidental or not, it is still a handball...

No, it has to be deliberate to be a foul.

I agree with the inconsistency - though I find the Milligan poke to be more severe than what Griffiths did (because it's a more blatant attempt to intimidate the referee), and even more inconsistent because it was the same referee, and it was the last match Shield did before the GF. 

 

[loyalist]

can one of the mods fix the title of the thread
kthxbai
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To what?
As I wrote the merged title - there is a limit to the length and stay readable - did I dramatize the 12 months and firte people up even more or keep it at the actual 6 months to be served - chose the latter.
Kevrenor
Moderator

 

[Kareem]

accidental or not, it is still a handball...

No, it has to be deliberate to be a foul.

The actual rule is did the player deliberately make contact (or not avoid
contact) with the ball with that area of the body? (wording from refblog.com)
In the Central Coast referees course
It only has to be deliberate by the rules of football. (ie. can be accidental)
If your hands are raised i think that consititues deliberate handball (even if you didnt try to hit ball).
If your hands are next to your body (ie. not raised) then it is accidental and it is play on! (to simplify it to us new refs)

 

[marconigirl]

accidental or not, it is still a handball...

No, it has to be deliberate to be a foul.

The actual rule is did the player deliberately make contact (or not avoid
contact) with the ball with that area of the body?
In the Central Coast referees course
It only has to be deliberate by the rules of football. (ie. can be accidental)
If your hands are raised i think that consititues deliberate handball (even if you didnt try to hit ball).
If your hands are next to your body (ie. not raised) then it is accidental and it is play on!

ok, thats what i thought...

 

[loyalist]

can one of the mods fix the title of the thread
kthxbai
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To what?
As I wrote the merged title - there is a limit to the length and stay readable - did I dramatize the 12 months and firte people up even more or keep it at the actual 6 months to be served - chose the latter.
Kevrenor
Moderator

To his name being Danny Vukovic

Still trying to work out how.

 

[marinersman]

This is the blackest day in our short but proud history.

Danny's ban, the charge against Sash and the team and now we have the Mad Monday photos of Andre in the Nazi type uniform. Andre should be severely reprimanded for this. It is not funny, clever or in good taste. Very bad form.

What the f**k is going on with our club? We are not exactly covering ourselves in glory. We are self-imploding. The damage to our fine reputation is huge. Lyall must be ripping his hair out.

It actually reminds me of Adelaide after last year's GF.

I am very, very sad at the moment and quite teary. The club is tearing itself apart.

At the moment I am not proud of our club at all.

 

[Capn Gus Bloodbeard]

I think you're overreacting.
As for Sash, he hasn't been charged yet (has he?), and he hasn't done anything that a few other players have done.  If he gets charged it isn't a reflection upon our club.  The FFA's complaints against the team - again, we haven't done anything that every other team hasn't done, so that also isn't a reflection upon the team.

Andre....it may have been a bit thoughtless, but that's as far as it goes.

Personally, I'd rather take some pride in how mature the post-match comments were.  Nobody's bothered to pay compliments to the maturity of those attacks and a refusal to attack the referee (Aloisi's the only one who's come out and had a bit of a whinge).

To say we're imploding is a bit melodramatic - to a large extent, we're being made out to be scapegoats and that isn't exactly our fault. 

 

[loyalist]

This is the blackest day in our short but proud history.

Danny's ban, the charge against Sash and the team and now we have the Mad Monday photos of Andre in the Nazi type uniform. Andre should be severely reprimanded for this. It is not funny, clever or in good taste. Very bad form.

What the f**k is going on with our club? We are not exactly covering ourselves in glory. We are self-imploding. The damage to our fine reputation is huge. Lyall must be ripping his hair out.

It actually reminds me of Adelaide after last year's GF.

I am very, very sad at the moment and quite teary. The club is tearing itself apart.

At the moment I am not proud of our club at all.

stop overeacting

 

[fishmum]

Andre should be severely reprimanded for this. It is not funny, clever or in good taste. Very bad form.

What I find saddest of all....Is the way people have reacted to Andre's outfit...
Why can't people take it, with the humour it was intended with?
I think it's wrong of people to make judgment on his clothing....and it's such a small minority that are having a gripe,
Heck he didn't murder someone.. he didn't rape someone, he placed on a costume, that millions of people have worn before... I could say some of the other outfits were offensive...
But when all is said and done... it's there day to let down their hair, and have a laugh at themselves...
It's not right to cast judgement on that!!!

And as for the charges... they are laughable... and all due to one person, the referee....
who is not fair by any sense of the word..who didn't take control of the game...
who was totally one sided ,THIS WAS THE GRAND FINAL.... how long can a team of guys sit back and be kicked in the teeth, without standing up and saying... 'HEY ENOUGH IS ENOUGH" .... we came here to play for ourselves and the people that have sat back and watched us get ripped off week after week....
they probley felt in the dying seconds of that game... it was their last chance to be heard, and not swindled out of what was rightfully there's and the supporters of their club....

If you had to choice of arguing your point, or go home to face thousands and thousands of broken hearted teary faced people... who;s dreams along with yours are being smashed to smitherines , because you are staying quiet and takin g the bullshit that's being handed to you....

What would you do?.. stand up and say hey.... YOUR NOT BEING FAIR?
or just allow them to crush you like house fly week after week after week.?

Like I have said,they didn't play well...
they didn't have the best team on the pitch, and a dumb mistake cost them....
and I would agree that arguing to win a game is wrong..... but when dishonesty and cheating crept into the game, that;s a whole entire different ball game, than football.

 

[Capn Gus Bloodbeard]

As a referee myself, your post certainly gives me some cause for contemplation fishmum.  Something to ponder.

Good post. 

 

[marinersman]

Yeah, look I probably am overeacting. It's been a bad couple of days.

I guess I didn't get my point accross well.

My overiding concern is the perception and image of the club and to that end I believe it has been tarnished. I'm not saying it's right, but it hasn't been a good couple of days, we are under seige from all corners and in that regard, I'm disappointed with the way it's all ended up pear shape.

 

[skilbeck]

it will fix itself up over the next few days. We have to start rebuilding soon, put a squad out there next year that is competitive and defend our premiership. Correct me if im wrong (if anyone has any inside contacts) but it seems to me that the off season for us isnt as optimistic as last years was. But the club seems quiet about new signings and recruitment and I hope they have a few of these up their sleeves, hopefully in areas where we have been weak and exposed. This is what im looking forward to. Also I hope we dont lose any sponsorship over any of these issues, because money is what essentially makes or breaks a club in the end

 

[woodchuck]

Is anyone going to actually post any questions as to why we had that team on the park ?  Owens had not played in 4-5 weeks(bit part bench appearances aside),  Gumprecht changes game every time he's on !! What the HELL was Mackinna thinking.  Why not start Tommy and if we get 30 min, then great. He was fit enough to come on for last 20, Gumps has the experience, did Lawrie not watch Adelaide last year, Owens under an injury cloud was rubbish.  I'm not bagging Owens, it wasn't his fault he was underdone, but to throw him into GF, I mean come on. I believe he has ability but you need games to get your form back.  He was pedestrian at best, did he even make a tackle ?

Gumprecht was in the starting 11 all week, then an hour before the game, dropped to bench.  Talk about political, it is god damn juvenile. Gumps plays a full 90 min 2 weeks prior, we win 3-0 and then he plays Owens, who changes a winning team.

Lawrie could not swallow his pride for one game.  Gumps has gone, we all know that, but if there is anyone that agreed with that starting 11 you need your head read.

Next year, No Gumps, No Tommy(off to Melb) leaves an inexperienced midfield, can anyone really blame JA if he goes.
Re-watch the GF, count how many passes we put together, then count how many they did. Craig Foster was right, who got bored with watching Alvin boot that ball to strikers, talk about a lottery. 

We deserved better and we deserve answers !

 

[kepo]

Its a shame the end of this season....

I just hope next season, the refs get a wake up call and become more consistent.

Danny, well he shouldn't have done it,
but shit happends.
As long as he sees and accepts he wrong doing and appeals,
it will be cut.
He is in form and needs to play for olyroos
He'll be fine

 

[FFC Mariner]

Discussed heaps in other threads.

While we are off topic, reports from my insider at scum central tells me all is not well after the GF.

Before GF: Club refused to supply comps to Craig Johnstons family and Ray Baartz. They were sorted out by George Negus - last nice article from Craig apparently.

After GF: Con/Remo drive to Newcastle ahead of team and present toilet seat to massed hordes of Bogans.

Rumour: Any bridges built with GVE/players after the Jardel fiasco are well and truly burnt and expect to see efforts to keep Bridge and others fail. Also, GVE rumoured to be furious???

Timmy et al hearing any of this from the Jets back office as well??