Merged Thread - Danny Vukovic Red Card (outcome page 42)

[thanman]

I think us, Perth, Adelaide, Roar, Victory & Phoenix are the teams who don't rely on bribing refs to win a match.

We should all make a petition-like letter and send it to Danny with messages and best wishes etc. He is probably extremely down at the moment.
Good idea? or nah?

Yes and no.
For all we know the FFA could make it longer on appeal.
I think if Danny does appeal, they will need to choose their words carefully.

But I don't see it getting anywhere, as the FFA like their officials receiving bribes.

 

[fedelta]

I think us, Perth, Adelaide, Roar, Victory & Phoenix are the teams who don't rely on bribing refs to win a match.

We should all make a petition-like letter and send it to Danny with messages and best wishes etc. He is probably extremely down at the moment.
Good idea? or nah?

Yes and no.
For all we know the FFA could make it longer on appeal.
I think if Danny does appeal, they will need to choose their words carefully.

But I don't see it getting anywhere, as the FFA like their officials receiving bribes.

Yeah I mean just to encourage him and make him feel better..not trying to change the outcome

 

[Ursus]

no i am sorry but you are wrong. there is no excuse for the actions of the team. it was the wrong decision. no one is doubting that. the ref's are not consisent, they are terrible, but why does that allow the players to behave in such a childish manner? he didn't steal anything, he just made the wrong decision. and guess what, that happens in football.
i expect them to act in a sportsman like manner. that means controlling your emotions when everything is going against you.

if the entire day was reversed, and it was the mariners who were victors, and it was the jets players who acted as such, i am sure you would see things differently

Fully agree. There was a lot of immaturity displayed last Sunday.
Passion is one thing, stupidity gets you nowhere.
I think there is going to be a lot of work done to get the team back on track after what is and will be a massive kick in the guts.
I believe it can be done and we can be more professional and stronger in the future.

 

[FFC Mariner]

Agreed, if we had got that penalty (or Aloisi had been able to bury either of his 2nd half headers - he still had a good chance at the pen incident).

If, we had gone to ET and won, do you think we or the players would have shown any more grace to the scum?? I dont think so.

 

[skilbeck]

We should all make a petition-like letter and send it to Danny with messages and best wishes etc. He is probably extremely down at the moment.
Good idea? or nah?

yeah i agree

 

[Ted]

The competence level of most referees in the HAL leaves much to be desired. Bloody atrocious calls all season have been made costing most teams a fair run to the grand final and in the end costing the Mariners a deserved GF win (even if it was a lack luster game).  I agree that video refs should be implemented into the game as it has proven successful in any sport it has been used and removes any chance for corrupt or incompetent officials to decide who wins a game.

Also (as happens in most sports) the officials should also be held accountable for poor decision making when it has a negative outcome on the final score is blatantly obvious. Yes, Danny needs to be reprimanded, but the ban seems a bit excessive for what he actually did. Compared to most offences within the game of football over the years, he has been hard done by and yet, JG if free to manhandle official genitalia whenever he gets over excited.

To lose a game due to poor play is one thing, but, to lose it due to poor refereeing is total bullshit and unacceptable at this level of standards and technology.

 

[FFC Mariner]

From the Times in London no less

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/football/article3431117.ece

Danny Vukovic, the Central Coast Mariners goalkeeper, has been banned for 15 months after hitting Mark Shield, the referee, in the A-League grand final.

Vukovic was given the ban six months of it suspended on a probationary basis after he was found guilty by Football Federation Australia of violent conduct in the match, which his side lost 1-0 to the Newcastle Jets in the league's championship at Sydney.

Video of the match clearly showed Vukovic striking Shield's arm after the Mariners claimed the referee missed a blatant handball by Newcastle's James Holland

 

[Ted]

Didn't one of the ass refs call hand ball and it was ignored?

 

[Porett]

I think us, Perth, Adelaide, Roar, Victory & Phoenix are the teams who don't rely on bribing refs to win a match.

Do these payments to refs come under the salary cap ? Are all refs covered by the one payment or do we have to pay per week ?

Importantly do we get refunds when things go against us ? Some decisions go for you some against. How quickly you forget that Vukovic was even lucky to be involved in the game.......

The Olyroos shot-stopper today admitted he considered himself "very lucky" not to be sent off in the A-League major semi-final after an incident on the edge of the box involving Newcastle star Joel Griffiths.
http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/story/0,22049,23218912-5001023,00.html

 

[marinerbhoy]

i want quote your well written post sensei but just respond!

i understand you must look at the cause of the problem. and thee FFA know that, but publicly hanging Mark Shields will serve the interests of no one other than those who wish sunday's result can change. privately rhey will tell him he did crap. shield will watch the match and know he did crap. but you just cant excuse their actions. any of the players actions. the players have enough character the be above what happenend on sunday. yet they didn't show. but blaming, looking for conspiracy and looking for excuses wont change a slightly new culture emerging at the club. the players should condemn their own actions and release a statement saying there is never an excuse to act the way they dad after the match, even with all the frustration that they felt.

and on the italian referee, they have had massive problems with refs for along time, corruption and what not. i hope our federation would do nothing like that. would rather stuff like that kept behind closed doors.

 

[Ted]

I think us, Perth, Adelaide, Roar, Victory & Phoenix are the teams who don't rely on bribing refs to win a match.

Do these payments to refs come under the salary cap ? Are all refs covered by the one payment or do we have to pay per week ?

Importantly do we get refunds when things go against us ? Some decisions go for you some against. How quickly you forget that Vukovic was even lucky to be involved in the game.......

The Olyroos shot-stopper today admitted he considered himself "very lucky" not to be sent off in the A-League major semi-final after an incident on the edge of the box involving Newcastle star Joel Griffiths.
http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/story/0,22049,23218912-5001023,00.html

Ah you mean the one where JG took his usual look at me Ive been tripped by an opponent dive? The replay showed no contact at all. To be honest JG should have been carded for the bullshit he repeatedly does on the  pitch week after week...

 

[meldraco]

Yes one of the OFFICIALS did see the HAND BALL but was OVERRULLED

 

[Pokes]

http://foxsports.com.au/poll2/0,,5033000-5000940,00.html

Vote that it was harsh. Might not do much, but hey...better than not getting your opinion out.

 

[~Floss~]

Apparently Paulo Di Canio's ban was 11 matches / around 4 months.
...for pushing the ref over.

22 Matches for the Romanian guy who violently strangled the ass-ref.

Comparing the footage of these, you'd think if it was in the hands of FIFA then Danny would be looking at MUCH less than 11 matches.

IMO the FFA are making up for the Griffiths debacle by giving Danny both players' bans rolled together into one.

 

[skilbeck]

i reckon we should appeal then

 

[Gav...]

Yes , the asstaint ref on the side the corner was taken from told shield that there was a handball but the asst. ref on the other side denied ther was a handball. so shields deciede to go with the asst. ref on the other side as he was closer to the play but to me he would of been blind sighted. john aloisi told smh paper yesterday that he heard the asst. ref that there was a handball through the earpieces that they wear and thought shield was going to award a penalty after that but then shield went over to the other asst. ref and diened it so it was then a goal kick

 

[yellow/blue]

Don't wont to see Danny miss Olympics, but it would be great to see Trotty get called up to Ollyroos squad again.  The game experience he could get from their pre Olympic games would be awesome.  He deserves a break.  Don't forget he did get two best player awards in the few opportunities he got to play last season.  Also, those two dreaded high scoring games were not his fault....Let's hope both Danny & Trotty go to China!

 

[Capn Gus Bloodbeard]

Didn't one of the ass refs call hand ball and it was ignored?

Allegedly, yes - and in that case, Shield should've gone with him.  The only thing I can think of is that maybe that far AR expressed doubt....said something like 'hey Mark, I think there was a handball'.....that's the only reason I can think of for Mark not going with it...either that or the near AR said with certainty that it was accidental.

I personally consider that AR to be one of the worst in the league (he's raped us several times at BT because he's too lazy to get anywhere near in line with the sweeper) - and IIRC he may have been the one who had a hand in the Porter send-off, so it wouldn't surprise me...

 

[Gav...]

Well On fox sports news that the outcome of a mariners meeting this morning that the club will appeal to this punishment.....

 

[Kareem]

I think that what we are most aggrievated about is the INCONSISTENCY of the refereeing. Show me the incident with no context and I would say 5-6 match ban- nothing more. Show me Grifiths incident and I would say yellow card is what Vukovic should have got.
If I had been incharge at the FFA I would have given Griffiths 10 matches and Vukovic 5 or 6.  
I am a player, fan, referee and a coach. I understand the need to show to every1 its not on to abuse ref...but they need to be consistent!
I too would consider imposing on myself a 9 month ban (until Nov 24) where I shall not attend A-league matches (Vukovic is my fav player).
Back on the griffiths incident...I being a striker tend to have quite a few tiffs with the linesman and that incident has shown me that maybe I could (i wont try) get away with hitting a linesman!
So just wrapping it up, someone (jets supporter) was suggesting it was hypocritical that we called for bad thigns to happen to Griffiths when he hit linemsan and we wont accpet that for Vukovic. The reason thats happening is a result of Griffiths being let off. If Griffiths was rightly charged than we would not protest a ban against Vukovic (because it would be consistent!)