McKINNA OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[pommypete]

The club are to busy looking after the shareholders interest and not the fans.
We were the 1st club to post a profit and the only ones too tight to pay for a 'real' marquee player. Give Lawrie some money,he won't spend too much,after all he is a tight fisted Jock.

 

[FFC Mariner]

Mariners problems are in midfield and we dont have a midfield expert guiding them around the park. When we do, certain players will become world beaters and matty and dylan will become the dynamic duo they can be.
And as shown we need 1 mature CD  we have kids teaching kids.



Playing a left winger at AM and another winger in CM (Caceres and Hutch) doesnt help. A large number of our goals came from Porter getting forward and delivering crosses into the box.

Matty may also have been distracted by the talk of him going to the UK and being scouted too.

A person touting himself round Asia may also have previous (for destabilising) at his last club if we are thinking of the same person

 

[RADINHO]

if mckinna cant get results in the ACL then questions i think need 2 be asked...

 

[elevated position]

FFC Mariner the player I was talking about is a long term player.

I would like to make a point here. A thought is that, the problem LM has is he is to loyal to certain players(maybe to close from a business point of view) and if you see the teams that other clubs are building or have established you will see that maybe we are paying too much for certain players and we never reached our quota (23) players for the past season. We also carried too many long term injured players coming into the season.
For example Mrja over 4 years must be on a good pay packet per game he has been able to play( I like him this is just an example)
Greg Owens ?? his pay surely would have given us a marquee junior ( what would it take to get Oliver Bozanic back on loan for a year from Reading, he (being a local junior) would be an absolute inspiration too our junior hopefuls.

If CCM can be seen as a destination for youth (and by that they have to play A league aka Brisbane, Scum castle and even now The oxford street latte sippers) we will attract plenty of young players infact a lot will be encouraged by their family and coaches because of the sort of low pressure lifestyle of the coast however we first must have first class coaches in place.
Coaches who are specialists at certain things not someone to do every thing.
However that will be a 3 yr program.

 

[Bladesman]

The question I would ask if you were a young player or the parent of a young player who had a couple of options with A-League clubs or even in youth sides overseas would you send them to the mariners?

I doubt I would as the chances of getting a run here are limited.  We have already seen a couple of coast juniors in Holland and Bozanic prefer to go to another A-league club where they will get a chance or play youth football overseas.

If a club is not prepared to spend $ on players especially a marque we need to invest in youth and showcase the talent on the way up get a couple of seasons form them before hopefully they head off to bigger and better things.  We need to be realistic about the type of player the league can atract.  There are 3 catogries - up and coming youngsters, established professionals returing home or the mediocre mid 20s brigade.  The way the A-League is going and we are certainly seeing from the other clubs to improve the quality a team will be made up of up and coming youngsters that we keep in Australia a couple of years longer than we would of prevoiusly as the standard of football improves, they can earn good wages and showcase their talents to overseas teams in the A-League and the older players coming back from overseas earlier.  A load of mediocre 20 - 30 year old playesr who either never made it overseas or wern't even good enought to go there in the first place will not continue to be able to compete in the competition.

 

[serious14]

As for Hutcho - that wandering run through the centre in Queensland was poetry in motion.

Bad Year 2 poetry in slow motion perhaps...... amazing what you can do when no-one tries to tackle you.

We might very well be in the ACL, but guess what??  The nearly exact same squad that got us there is now 2 years older and in an ever deepening rut.  I will be the most pleasantly surprised out of anyone if we make it out of the group stage.

 

[FFC Mariner]

Actually James, that squad is 2 years older and the guys who scored a lot of goals (Sasho and Aloisi) arent there any more.

But I will put my yellow glasses onand take some "its all good" pills and refuse to see the obvious.

PS - the insinuation that people who feel we are in a bit of trouble are somehow "fair weather" or lesser supporters shits me no end. Make cohesive arguments farken

 

[David Votoupal]

But it's not going to be that hard for most sides in the new format. FFS, Rangers got to a UEFA Cup Final despite not being anything resembling good.

 

[clarence]

grahamh: OK so I respect the fact you will support the Mariners long term, that's great.

I think a lot of the people who have commented here are also supporting the Mariners for the long term too.

In contrast to you, however, they prefer to make comment now and stop any possible rot from setting in. They would like to see the club have a long serving manager, sure. Not, however, at the expense of being successful, or being a club with a decent reputation and able to attract players of good playing skill.

How 'long' is this long term that you speak of?

Over the last 4 seasons we've had two very successful seasons, and two not so.

Now if you were a person following Perth, you might be tempted to say that the Mariners have been very successful over the past 4 seasons, so I suppose my analogy is very subjective.

If after a few more more years, this trend has continued, the result will be a lot of fans very annoyed at the lack of real over the top success over the whole of this time.

The Mariners need fans to turn up for their home matches. Mixed seasons like the one we've just had, and playing the way we have in recent weeks, is not going to attract the required 10K + that the Mariners would want to break even at home games.

By saying over the top success, I mean knowing which teams we can really have a chance of beating and which ones the team has to fight to win against. At the moment the wins we have gained have not been too convincing, and the losses were soooooo expected.

I'm wondering at what stage you will say to yourself, well, they need to recruit better players and the manager needs to sharpen up, if they want to win a Champions Trophy, or do well in the ACL.

After a few more years of the tripe we've been handed, it will be too late for the club and it's own mediocrity will sink it. So it is better to be pro active, get up the nose of the club with less than polite comments and let them know that we are not happy.

For every one of us who is now saying such on this forum, there are are probably 4 or so who will just drift away, never to return without so much as a reason why they no longer follow the club. In a small region like ours that simply cannot be allowed to happen.

 

[serious14]

Actually James, that squad is 2 years older and the guys who scored a lot of goals (Sasho and Aloi$i) arent there any more.

But I will put my yellow glasses onand take some "its all good" pills and refuse to see the obvious.

PS - the insinuation that people who feel we are in a bit of trouble are somehow "fair weather" or lesser supporters shits me no end. Make cohesive arguments farken

Look, enough with the logic, yeah?? 

 

[clarence]

Actually James, that squad is 2 years older and the guys who scored a lot of goals (Sasho and Aloi$i) arent there any more.

But I will put my yellow glasses onand take some "its all good" pills and refuse to see the obvious.

PS - the insinuation that people who feel we are in a bit of trouble are somehow "fair weather" or lesser supporters shits me no end. Make cohesive arguments farken

Look, enough with the logic, yeah?? 

Ok, It's all good, we have a great team and manager and we will always be successful no matter who plays for us, and the Central Coast region will be the pride of Australia and the Centre of Football Excellence. Is that enough, Serious?  ;D

 

[marinermick]

Hard to lay the blame on McKinna when he is not getting the players he wants.

There would not be too many successful coaches under these conditions. The state league talent has IMO dried up of talent, our youth program is mediocre at best and the two new teams in has increased competition for the fringe bench players at other clubs.

The only last area is overseas bargains.

We have to bite the bullet on this one and either increase our player budget and/or put more resources in scouting.

 

[FFC Mariner]

Brilliant Clarence.

Send a copy to certain board members who have tightened the purse strings.

Admire LM's loyalty when he is being squeezed and cant really expect him to slag his employers a la Vidmar.

Be interesting to see how this pans out over time

 

[clarence]

Hard to lay the blame on McKinna when he is not getting the players he wants.

There would not be too many successful coaches under these conditions. The state league talent has IMO dried up of talent, our youth program is mediocre at best and the two new teams in has increased competition for the fringe bench players at other clubs.

The only last area is overseas bargains.

We have to bite the bullet on this one and either increase our player budget and/or put more resources in scouting.

Ok Marinermick, fair comment. But how long is Lawrie going to allow his reputation as a manager be compromised by the budget restraints imposed upon him?

I know Lawrie would hate to leave, but he can't keep letting himself be brow beaten by the money managers and forgoing his career prospects into the bargain?

Mind you, his own affable nature and his love of all things Hutcho and the sometimes strange tactics he employs does leave some room for criticism, don't you think?

 

[clarence]

Brilliant Clarence.

Send a copy to certain board members who have tightened the purse strings.

Admire LM's loyalty when he is being squeezed and cant really expect him to slag his employers a la Vidmar.

Be interesting to see how this pans out over time

Naaaah. Will just leave it for the players to read and they can run off a copy of this page and hand it to Lawrie and /or Lyall, lol!

 

[scottmac]

As I follow this thread, the phrase 'fair weather friends' comes to mind. We don't see any of this negative talk when we have a convincing win - with the same players.

You have obviously not been on the forum for very long then. Ever heard of the Serious match review?

 

[marinermick]

Hard to lay the blame on McKinna when he is not getting the players he wants.

There would not be too many successful coaches under these conditions. The state league talent has IMO dried up of talent, our youth program is mediocre at best and the two new teams in has increased competition for the fringe bench players at other clubs.

The only last area is overseas bargains.

We have to bite the bullet on this one and either increase our player budget and/or put more resources in scouting.

Mind you, his own affable nature and his love of all things Hutcho and the sometimes strange tactics he employs does leave some room for criticism, don't you think?

we can question his tactics but it comes from a limited base

we are not privy as to what is happening behind the scenes and we are not on the training paddock on a daily basis

add all our limited knowledge of the game and the call for lawrie's head comes from a very limited view

as a coach you are judged by your results and as a whole it has been better than most clubs and over the four years we have had more reason to smile than the majority of a-league clubs

mind you, the last five games has put a real dent in that shine, but as per season two he should at least be given the time to rectify the situation

 

[~Floss~]

we can question his tactics but it comes from a limited base

we are not privy as to what is happening behind the scenes and we are not on the training paddock on a daily basis

add all our limited knowledge of the game and the call for lawrie's head comes from a very limited view

So true.

as a coach you are judged by your results and as a whole it has been better than most clubs and over the four years we have had more reason to smile than the majority of a-league clubs

IMO part of that overall success came from stability.

Replace our coach and we'd still have the same player roster/budget, and surely a more volatile manager... = a potentially huge mess IMO; could waste half of each season trying to rebuild (a-la SFC)

 

[clarence]

Sure we have a limited view and limited knowledge, but we have (collectively) a better understanding of the game itself and the standard of the game throughout the A-League and where it is heading, than those who are casual observers, like the Mums and Dads and kids that the club hopes to attract.

All they have to look at is the results, the things Lawrie may say publicly or the column that Wilko is allowed to put out (which, btw, looks remarkably like a script written by their media guy).

So if the fans don't or won't return for the ACL after this season, or their season ticket uptake for next season is lower than expected, the club only have themselves to blame for the result. And Lawrie, through his tactics and selections, must take some of the blame for that if it occurs, as that is the most public display of how the club is faring. While the Tuggerah development is one to get excited about, it means bugger all to the 11 yo kid who drags his Dad to the game and wants to see some good football. Lawrie's tactics and the players he uses is what matters more then.

Now, you can explain all sorts of restraints that he has to work under, but Lawrie allowed himself to be placed under those restraints.

He could have, for example, demanded better financial details in his last contract - made the club contracted to the budgets and forced them to look at other ways of trimming expenditure (that's assuming this is what the problem has been this season).

We obviously don't know what Lawrie has or has not in his own contract, but I know he had the club by the short and curlies when Singo made it public when they were dithering around with Lawrie at the end of season 1.

We all know he got a lot more than what was originally on the table, but I'm sure Lawrie had opportunity there and then to demand legal assurances about the budgets he had to work with and all sorts of other independence issues.

 

[marinermick]

(which, btw, looks remarkably like a script written by their media guy).

it is and this media guy is now moving overseas to pursue more exciting career options