McKINNA OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[clarence]

(which, btw, looks remarkably like a script written by their media guy).

it is and this media guy is now moving overseas to pursue more exciting career options

Wilko's been outed!!! Shock horror.  ;D (Just saw the other Thread too.)

 

[blastbum]

;D

http://au.fourfourtwo.com/news/96587,ossie-eyes-up-aleague-move.aspx

 

[FFC Mariner]

Well if he waits a season, the SFC job will be vacant again lol

 

[blastbum]

Well if he waits a season, the SFC job will be vacant again lol

ROFL!! True, very true.

 

[serious14]

As I follow this thread, the phrase 'fair weather friends' comes to mind. We don't see any of this negative talk when we have a convincing win - with the same players.

You have obviously not been on the forum for very long then. Ever heard of the Serious match review?

See, I would have given a serious match review to a convincing win this season and praised all concerned......... I'm still waiting for that game to come about. 

 

[Paolo]

http://au.fourfourtwo.com/news/96587,ossie-eyes-up-aleague-move.aspx

great player...despite a poor top flight coaching record, he has a very good lower leagues record, earning promotion for both Swindon Town and West Brom.

I would love to have him as he puts a big emphasis on sexy football....not to mention he is a tottenham legend.

I will slip in a good word tomorrow when i meet him down in sydney

Ossies Dream - Chas n Dave
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WCXdlxZ5RiM

 

[Wombat]

As I follow this thread, the phrase 'fair weather friends' comes to mind. We don't see any of this negative talk when we have a convincing win - with the same players.

I'm with the Mariners - team, individual players, coach and management - regardless of current form. It's the long-term trend I'll be making judgement on. Others have re-iterated our performance over the 4 years, and it's been above average. We're in the ACL and that's what matters at the moment.

Do you really want to replace Lawrie with possibly another Kosmina, or van Egmond? As for Hutcho - that wandering run through the centre in Queensland was poetry in motion. Wilko's shepherding of Nichols' run into the corner was magic. Kwassie knows where the goal is - and he's one of the reasons we're in the ACL. This is what I pay my money for!

I'm in for the long haul. The current coach and team suit me - if you want different ones, you can join the F3 at Kariong!

You are in denial my friend...or simply you don't know any better.

I give it to the players when they play badly and praise them when they do well.  I'd much rather be giving some love than ripping into a player.  The bottom line is people like Serious and FFC are simply being truthful...they gain nothing from having to slate players they like personally.

CCM need to wake up abit and so do some of the sheep that follow them...with respect.

 

[woodchuck]

Sure we have a limited view and limited knowledge, but we have (collectively) a better understanding of the game itself and the standard of the game throughout the A-League and where it is heading, than those who are casual observers, like the Mums and Dads and kids that the club hopes to attract.

All they have to look at is the results, the things Lawrie may say publicly or the column that Wilko is allowed to put out (which, btw, looks remarkably like a script written by their media guy).

So if the fans don't or won't return for the ACL after this season, or their season ticket uptake for next season is lower than expected, the club only have themselves to blame for the result. And Lawrie, through his tactics and selections, must take some of the blame for that if it occurs, as that is the most public display of how the club is faring. While the Tuggerah development is one to get excited about, it means bugger all to the 11 yo kid who drags his Dad to the game and wants to see some good football. Lawrie's tactics and the players he uses is what matters more then.

Now, you can explain all sorts of restraints that he has to work under, but Lawrie allowed himself to be placed under those restraints.

He could have, for example, demanded better financial details in his last contract - made the club contracted to the budgets and forced them to look at other ways of trimming expenditure (that's assuming this is what the problem has been this season).

We obviously don't know what Lawrie has or has not in his own contract, but I know he had the club by the short and curlies when Singo made it public when they were dithering around with Lawrie at the end of season 1.

We all know he got a lot more than what was originally on the table, but I'm sure Lawrie had opportunity there and then to demand legal assurances about the budgets he had to work with and all sorts of other independence issues.

Spot on !!
Don't forget people, that this is the squad which LM has put together himself, he is the one who has entrenched a culture of favouritism amongst players (blind freddy can see that, hutch for example).  Pedj was heading towards our PLAYER OF THE YEAR before he was shown the door the other night, he was playing sensationally at CB, would it of been too hard a decision for LM to drop Wilko, who lets face it has been dissapointing this season, you make your bed, you lie in it, and you accept all the criticism when it comes your way, after all they accept the praise. 
That team that was put out the other night was a complete disgrace when we needed to score goals.

 

[David Votoupal]

Let me give out another history lesson.

In the late 70s, Everton finished 3rd (77/78) and 4th (78/79), in the latter one we made a very strong start going unbeaten for nearly half a season and beating Liverpool for the first time in years. Anyway, we slumped in the latter half of that season to finish 4th, which was still good enough to make it into Europe.

What happened the following season? It became evident that Gordon Lee lost it, and we finished fourth from bottom and merely 4 points above the drop zone, in what would be our worst season until 2003/04. Sure, we had a good FA Cup run then. And same the following season, which was little better. We were absolute garbage, Gordon Lee got the boot and it took a few years under Howard Kendall before we finally got back to picking up trophies again.

The morale of the story is that papering over the cracks and downward momentum can be two extremely ugly things.

 

[marinersman]

I'm not going to weigh into the debate about whether LM should go or not but I will ask this question: do we have any football expertise on the board to make satisfactory football decisions with regard to coaching staff and player rosters etc?

Why don't we have a technical director in place upstairs who can make football related decisions and leave the board to make business decisions?

 

[FFC Mariner]

I think PT has experience at NSWPL level but could be wrong

 

[blastbum]

I'm not going to weigh into the debate about whether LM should go or not but I will ask this question: do we have any football expertise on the board to make satisfactory football decisions with regard to coaching staff and player rosters etc?

Why don't we have a technical director in place upstairs who can make football related decisions and leave the board to make business decisions?

 

[grendel]

I've just got a few things to say:
- Lawrie is probably his own harshest critic
- Seriously, if the money guys who control the club think LM is to blame they'll do something about it
- I've followed the game long enough to understand that a temporary loss of form does not mean a downward spiral!
- I get the shits from idiots who think they can project their own warped and alcohol-addled view of the game onto players and managers, and then turn on them when they don't act in line with those expectations...eg. thinking they can abuse them off the field for 'not performing'

 

[Paolo]

- I get the shits from idiots who think they can project their own warped and alcohol-addled view of the game onto players and managers, and then turn on them when they don't act in line with those expectations...eg. thinking they can abuse them off the field for 'not performing'

i get the shits when people resort to insults to get their point across. I also get the shits when people assume these peoples expectations are alcohol-addled or warped, just because they differ to their own

 

[Blackadder]

Well if he waits a season, the SFC job will be vacant again lol

Surely he won't have to wait that long for a job at SFC.

 

[serious14]

alcohol-addled view of the game

I don't drink before and during football...... does this still mean my view is addled??

 

[Don]

I've just got a few things to say:
- Lawrie is probably his own harshest critic
- Seriously, if the money guys who control the club think LM is to blame they'll do something about it
- I've followed the game long enough to understand that a temporary loss of form does not mean a downward spiral!
- I get the shits from idiots who think they can project their own warped and alcohol-addled view of the game onto players and managers, and then turn on them when they don't act in line with those expectations...eg. thinking they can abuse them off the field for 'not performing'

 

[Don]

that is spot on!!

 

[Paolo]

that is spot on!!

OSSIE I5 TEH BESTEST PLAYA EVA!!11!!!!

 

[woodchuck]

I've just got a few things to say:
- Lawrie is probably his own harshest critic
- Seriously, if the money guys who control the club think LM is to blame they'll do something about it
- I've followed the game long enough to understand that a temporary loss of form does not mean a downward spiral!
- I get the shits from idiots who think they can project their own warped and alcohol-addled view of the game onto players and managers, and then turn on them when they don't act in line with those expectations...eg. thinking they can abuse them off the field for 'not performing'

A forum like this is where people are able to have there own say, wether we agree or not is why football and following a team is so great.
Sure you get the odd knob on here but you also get a large number of valid points and arguments.
We are a team who is yet to get rid of this 'strugglers' tag. That is because we don't play attractive football, we are in a RL heartland without doubt, sure we have our 9k faithfull, but surely after 4 yrs you would of thought this figure would have grown. People new to football will only come if they are being entertained, this hasn't happened for a good while now.
IMO LM needs to back the players to play football, lose the scrappers mentality and get rid of his favourites policy !