McKINNA OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Ravana]

We will rise from this form slump. I will never agree to getting rid of the coach, we just need to make a couple of good signings.

 

[Jorome Alexander Bennett]

Our form slump is Kaz Patafta's fault.

 

[Paolo]

Wrong..kaz is the solution to our form slump. Havnt you heard..he played in Portugal

 

[finally retired]

Wrong..kaz is the solution to our form slump. Havnt you heard..he played in Portugal

perhaps we could swap Hutcho for Kaz..... 
that way we'd have a different useless midfield git we could whinge about for many more years 

 

[David Votoupal]

It's no guarantee that a foreign player will be better than what you already have. Sure, if you search hard enough you will find such, but we've seen enough examples of it in our league of foreign players failing to live up to expectations.

I agree too, that the Brazilian obsession at the start of V3 was nauseating, especially since only a few of them who came that year (Cassio, Daniel, to an extent Felipe) actually delivered. Once more, they used cliche and outdated, misguided romanticism rather than logic and reality. More hype than substance.

 

[dibo]

So why the hype over foreign coaches? Surely the same points will hold?

 

[David Votoupal]

So why the hype over foreign coaches? Surely the same points will hold?

There is a BIG difference between playing and coaching, surely? Also, good tactics and motivation can make a world of difference to the same group of players.

 

[Jorome Alexander Bennett]

It's no guarantee that a foreign coach will be better than what you already have. Sure, if you search hard enough you will find such, but we've seen enough examples of it in our league of foreign coaches failing to live up to expectations.

I agree too, that the foreign coach obsession at the start of V1 was nauseating, especially since only a few of them who came that year (McKinna, Littbarski, to an extent Merrick) actually delivered.

 

[David Votoupal]

In all seriousness, I think people are in all pieces about Lawrie because he's done a wonderful job so far, and he's been a tremendous ambassador for the club. People are in pieces about whether he's run his course/lost the plot, or whether he just needs to change his approach to get things back on track.

 

[dibo]

It's no guarantee that a foreign coach will be better than what you already have. Sure, if you search hard enough you will find such, but we've seen enough examples of it in our league of foreign coaches failing to live up to expectations.

I agree too, that the foreign coach obsession at the start of V1 was nauseating, especially since only a few of them who came that year (Littbarski, Money, to an extent Bleiberg) actually delivered.

Fixed.

 

[clarence]

What Jorome said....

And I'll add, that, seriously, a foreign coach can probably have just as much difficulty as foreign players settling in, particularly if they have troubles speaking English, or have cultural differences that are hard to overcome.

 

[Jorome Alexander Bennett]

It's no guarantee that a foreign coach will be better than what you already have. Sure, if you search hard enough you will find such, but we've seen enough examples of it in our league of foreign coaches failing to live up to expectations.

I agree too, that the foreign coach obsession at the start of V1 was nauseating, especially since only a few of them who came that year (Littbarski, Money, to an extent Bleiberg) actually delivered.

Fixed.

I don't mean to be overly contradictory Die-beau,
but I prefered it my way.
Merrick and McKinna were foreigners at that stage.

 

[David Votoupal]

Sure, coming to Australia is a culture shock for some. But isn't going to Japan, Middle East or Africa where countless coaches work also a culture shock?

 

[dibo]

It's no guarantee that a foreign coach will be better than what you already have. Sure, if you search hard enough you will find such, but we've seen enough examples of it in our league of foreign coaches failing to live up to expectations.

I agree too, that the foreign coach obsession at the start of V1 was nauseating, especially since only a few of them who came that year (Littbarski, Money, to an extent Bleiberg) actually delivered.

Fixed.

I don't mean to be overly contradictory Die-beau,
but I prefered it my way.
Merrick and McKinna were foreigners at that stage.

Both the 'Scots' had by that point been in this country for 20 years or more (Merrick was playing for Frankston City as far back as 1975, and Lawrie was playing for Box Hill from 1986). They did their coaching badges here, they might talk funny but they are Aussie now and were Aussie then, minus a bit of paperwork for ours.

 

[fruitbat]

Yeh, I'm watching the replay on Foxtel IQ now and they've pretty much asked the questions you would expect. Lawrie did good; didn't get phased by the repeated "when ya gunna buy some brazilians?" questions.

So when are we?

Or Asians, they have shown they can get the ball into the area with accuracy, and IMO that is what we need in attack. As for defence??????

Or Africans? Surely there are some poor buggers over in Ghana etc who will play for us even at the salaries on offer by management? Then again, maybe not.

Seriously, there have to be young african players with potential who just missed out/havent yet been offered European contracts who would jump at the chance to play here. Many africans passionately play the game as a means to escape poverty, and theres plenty ot that over there.

 

[David Votoupal]

Well at the highest levels of African football, even before they began moving to Europe en mass, I'm pretty sure they lived better lives than the average citizen could dream of and were treated as Gods. Then again, as in the Soviet Bloc, dictatorships weren't averse to using football for internal and external propaganda purposes...

 

[fruitbat]

Well at the highest levels of African football, even before they began moving to Europe en mass, I'm pretty sure they lived better lives than the average citizen could dream of and were treated as Gods. Then again, as in the Soviet Bloc, dictatorships weren't averse to using football for internal and external propaganda purposes...

Hi DV,

I was thinking along the lines of scouting youth players who see an A league contract as a stepping stone to something better, rather than established players. There have to be some good defenders who are faster than Boogers, mids who are creative and can play under pressure or strikers who can use both feet.

 

[striker]

Midfielder, you are right ... our defence is shit.  you will probably agree that we need to look O/S for a couple of defenders.  We could do with a few fast midfielders too.... and a decent striker.

what's this club got against bringing players from other parts of the world?

I simply think they believe that it's better to actually eye ball the players & trail them before getting into negotiations. And I'd doubt they'd have the resources to send off Lawrie or Tobin every second week to scout OS.

I do sense they want to get the player on the rise rather than on the downside of their career too (like Jedinak was with us -  on the rise, that is).

Also, in the first couple of seasons, Lawrie was capable of scouting players for himself from the State League. I doubt he now has the time to do this efficiently, and has probably let a few contacts slip over the last couple of seasons, and lost touch with who are the players to watch.

His challenge now, is to either develop players from their NYL ranks (and if you saw the NYL last season you can appreciate that would be harder than you expect, lol!), and/or pickup the occassional recommended player from OS. But he will have to start trusting other people's opinions and might be hard for Lawrie to accept, as he has been so independent for so long.

Clarence

In Hal 4 this approach was OK but we have had 17 months of looking... that's my point.. there comes a point if you can't fix the defense up we need to find someone who can

Midfielder, I was responding to Striker #9's comments more so than yours.

And yes, Lawrie has to start addressing the deficiencies in our defence. To think he has one of the all time Australian top defenders as his assistant coach, and he can't get his team coached properly to defend. Pretty embarrassing really. :-[

Surely Tobin has some idea about defensive tactics, if Lawrie can't figure it out. Mind you, our defence snapped to attention when Bosnich was in goals, so maybe Danny isn't directing traffic with as much authority as Bosnich did.

Based on my observations, it appears that Tobin dosn't have the answer to our defence problem with our current roster.
I suggest we get rid of Tobin instead.  Lawrie has to stay at the club- he's a fairly good coach and a great bloke. 

 

[Arabmariner]

Midfielder, you are right ... our defence is shit.  you will probably agree that we need to look O/S for a couple of defenders.  We could do with a few fast midfielders too.... and a decent striker.

what's this club got against bringing players from other parts of the world?

I simply think they believe that it's better to actually eye ball the players & trail them before getting into negotiations. And I'd doubt they'd have the resources to send off Lawrie or Tobin every second week to scout OS.

I do sense they want to get the player on the rise rather than on the downside of their career too (like Jedinak was with us -  on the rise, that is).

Also, in the first couple of seasons, Lawrie was capable of scouting players for himself from the State League. I doubt he now has the time to do this efficiently, and has probably let a few contacts slip over the last couple of seasons, and lost touch with who are the players to watch.

His challenge now, is to either develop players from their NYL ranks (and if you saw the NYL last season you can appreciate that would be harder than you expect, lol!), and/or pickup the occassional recommended player from OS. But he will have to start trusting other people's opinions and might be hard for Lawrie to accept, as he has been so independent for so long.

Clarence

In Hal 4 this approach was OK but we have had 17 months of looking... that's my point.. there comes a point if you can't fix the defense up we need to find someone who can

Midfielder, I was responding to Striker #9's comments more so than yours.

And yes, Lawrie has to start addressing the deficiencies in our defence. To think he has one of the all time Australian top defenders as his assistant coach, and he can't get his team coached properly to defend. Pretty embarrassing really. :-[

Surely Tobin has some idea about defensive tactics, if Lawrie can't figure it out. Mind you, our defence snapped to attention when Bosnich was in goals, so maybe Danny isn't directing traffic with as much authority as Bosnich did.

  Lawrie has to stay at the club- he's a fairly good coach and a great bloke. 

I'd prefer a genius coach and a c**t tbh.

 

[Marquee]

Midfielder, you are right ... our defence is shit.  you will probably agree that we need to look O/S for a couple of defenders.  We could do with a few fast midfielders too.... and a decent striker.

what's this club got against bringing players from other parts of the world?

I simply think they believe that it's better to actually eye ball the players & trail them before getting into negotiations. And I'd doubt they'd have the resources to send off Lawrie or Tobin every second week to scout OS.

I do sense they want to get the player on the rise rather than on the downside of their career too (like Jedinak was with us -  on the rise, that is).

Also, in the first couple of seasons, Lawrie was capable of scouting players for himself from the State League. I doubt he now has the time to do this efficiently, and has probably let a few contacts slip over the last couple of seasons, and lost touch with who are the players to watch.

His challenge now, is to either develop players from their NYL ranks (and if you saw the NYL last season you can appreciate that would be harder than you expect, lol!), and/or pickup the occassional recommended player from OS. But he will have to start trusting other people's opinions and might be hard for Lawrie to accept, as he has been so independent for so long.

Clarence

In Hal 4 this approach was OK but we have had 17 months of looking... that's my point.. there comes a point if you can't fix the defense up we need to find someone who can

Midfielder, I was responding to Striker #9's comments more so than yours.

And yes, Lawrie has to start addressing the deficiencies in our defence. To think he has one of the all time Australian top defenders as his assistant coach, and he can't get his team coached properly to defend. Pretty embarrassing really. :-[

Surely Tobin has some idea about defensive tactics, if Lawrie can't figure it out. Mind you, our defence snapped to attention when Bosnich was in goals, so maybe Danny isn't directing traffic with as much authority as Bosnich did.

   Lawrie has to stay at the club- he's a fairly good coach and a great bloke. 

I'd prefer a genius coach and a c**t tbh.

I'd have to agree

At the end of the day, the likability/niceness of the coach doesn't win football games. Good coaching does.