McKINNA OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[dibo]

i wholeheartedly agree with arab.

you can still hold the manager to account - i didn't suggest you can't - but you *have* to take mitigating factors into account. the thing is that we don't know what these factors are, the people doing the hiring and firing do.

if lawrie's asked for a player and been told no, or been given an inadequate sum to bid with, then that is part and parcel of his response when given a 'please explain' by the board.

what's more, the point of hiring a new manager is reduced to nil. you could hire guus hiddink, but if his decisions on players are subject to review by a couple of shonky property developers and a brewer then he's not going to be able to work his full mojo.

long story short, it's not a get out of jail card, but not taking it into account is ignoring the reality of the situation.

 

[FFC Mariner]

I think the most important fact is that since he got his citizenship, he is no longer a foreign coach and thats where it all started going wrong.

Lawrie isnt foreign anymore.

 

[Razorback]

for a miller and hernandez in this league you'll also get a jardel, a claeys, a drovandi, a patrick, a diego, a claudinho...

I'd take Diego or Patrick before any of our current midfield!

And regarding the defense, this has been a point of worry for a lot of people on this forum before a ball was even kicked prior Hal 4 even starting. The fact that we have had the chance to strengthen our defense prior to the ACL and chose to sign Kwas and Rizzo (mediocre players at best) is inexcusable and someone should be held accountable especially when there was some quality defenders on the market in Ang and Ljubo who have gone to our rivals.

 

[Roy Law]

I've got this worrying feeling that Lubo may be a steal for the Jets. A sane sound-of-mind Lubo (a big stretch, I know) would have been ideal - strong build, good in the air, two good feet, a vocal leader; just what we need. Still, he may implode...

 

[Andre_1]

As unstable as he appears to be, he has been outstanding in the 2 ACL games I have watched. He owns the defense plays the ball out and is as cool as a cucumber. He even gets forward! When he is fully fit and IF he can stay focused he will be a rock at the back for them.

 

[elevated position]

i have not really had a shot at LM however the way they have played since round 10 of 08/09 shows his "feeling" of tactics is better suited to the under 10's and that was shown last Wed night. I enjoyed the game, I got to watch some nice skills and a good show of anticipation from KF players,this is something we really lack and thats not a backroom descision but a coaching one.
QLD did it to us melbourne always does to us but we never vary the tactics and the results show.
So is it a lack of confidence by the players towards LM ability and is that why a number are ready to leave(not withstanding the money) have the players realised they cannot go any further under LM?

By the way whats with the mariners logo on the football field at the proposed NSW setup ot Riverstone.(very similar to club tuggerah?)

 

[Arabmariner]

Lawrie's on Fox Sports FC at 7.30pm tonight.

 

[clarence]

On the issue of Lawrie's independence from the board, I will state again that Lawrie had the board by the short and curlies after season 1, and DID get an improved contract after Singo outed the issue and publicly shamed the board into it.

AT THAT POINT, Lawrie could have & should have, demanded a greater say in things. If he did not ask for it, or agreed without getting more independence, then he's a fool because he had a gun to their head at that time, offers coming in from elsewhere, and was just about ready to march. Quite frankly, the club could have folded in the next season if Lawrie had not stayed on, IMHO.

I also reckon that, unfairly, the manager lives and dies by performances ON THE PITCH ON MATCHDAY.

It matters not if the team visits 50 orphanages in the week, marches through a Cambodian minefield on the way to Japan, offers free hugs days at Gosford Station in the morning peak hour, or every player does a 'back sack and crack wax live on air' stunt for radio, if they don't win on matchday they are no good to the community they purport to represent, as our own pride goes down with theirs.

It doesn't matter if Lawrie is the best bloke you've ever met, if he can't get the players to rise to the occassion, short of poisoning their Powerade with Viagra, then he's a lost cause.

Looking at our squad there is a steady bunch of players who nowadays do not make the grade. I won't name names, but everyone knows who they are, because even Lawrie hasn't had the guts to put them onto the field. Why are they still on the payroll? Hopefully not for too long.

 

[Blair]

Its amazing how one game can turn ppl he has done great i think with what he has had.

 

[FFC Mariner]

I am not in the LM out camp but to be fair to those who are, it has been more than 1 game.

 

[clarence]

Its amazing how one game can turn ppl he has done great i think with what he has had.

Sorry, Blair, but that comment comes across defeatist.

The club knew over 12 months ago they'd have some tough matches in the ACL. They also knew the A-League was improving and that they'd struggle to get into the Finals with what they had.

They did not accomplish any great signings. They offered an amount to Aloi$i  -where has that money gotten to? They got a transfer fee for Jedinak, where's that money?

People were not happy with the way our last season was ending up, and quite a few of us were dreading what might happen in the ACL with the players we have. This thread was started way back before the ACL started. Remember Serious' match reviews?

There was some glimpses that the team had got their act together against Pohang and Tianjin, certainly playing better games than we've seen in a while. But they completely fell under the spell of Kawasaki, and that should not have happened. Not saying we might have got a win, but saying we should not have lost as badly as we did. Lawrie should have made replacements at halftime - things were looking that dire. But replaced who with who? O'Grady would have been worse than Boogs in a slow turning fullback, and Porter and Heff were exhausted from having to defend all the time and did not have much petrol in the tank for runs down the flanks. Wilko was completely gone after his run forward, and his inability to get back into the defence line was one of the reasons for one of Kawasaki's goals.

The only fightback came from Andre but, god bless the guy, he could not have managed a whole half at that intensity.

Yes, with what we had, Blair, but Lawrie, the players and the club knew they were going to have to front up to  match like the one against Kawasaki sooner or later in the ACL.

Yet the club could not see it fit to get some named players on the books, and quite frankly, Lawrie seems to be shaping up as an impotent manager to his board, as they've signed bugger all in terms of quality players, but have been lucky that Huke has at least shown some promise out of the signings of Kwasnik, Rizzo and Huke for the ACL.

 

[FFC Mariner]

I am not in the LM out camp but to be fair to those who are, it has been more than 1 game.

Apparently he got a bit of a pasting on Fox FC tonight, make a point of never watching the drivel but did anyone see it?

 

[Arabmariner]

I am not in the LM out camp but to be fair to those who are, it has been more than 1 game.

Apparently he got a bit of a pasting on Fox FC tonight, make a point of never watching the drivel but did anyone see it?

I saw it and tbh it was hardly a pasting.

We should have prepared the questions for them.

 

[Bex]

Yeh, I'm watching the replay on Foxtel IQ now and they've pretty much asked the questions you would expect. Lawrie did good; didn't get phased by the repeated "when ya gunna buy some brazilians?" questions.

 

[offtheball]

Yeh, I'm watching the replay on Foxtel IQ now and they've pretty much asked the questions you would expect. Lawrie did good; didn't get phased by the repeated "when ya gunna buy some brazilians?" questions.

So when are we?

 

[scottmac]

Yeh, I'm watching the replay on Foxtel IQ now and they've pretty much asked the questions you would expect. Lawrie did good; didn't get phased by the repeated "when ya gunna buy some brazilians?" questions.

So when are we?

Or Asians, they have shown they can get the ball into the area with accuracy, and IMO that is what we need in attack. As for defence??????

 

[serious14]

Or Asians

Asia is a big continent y'know - we could end up with some really average Indians or Middle Eastern randoms if we just did a Google search for "Asians". 

 

[Sym]

Youtube*

 

[marinermick]

Yeh, I'm watching the replay on Foxtel IQ now and they've pretty much asked the questions you would expect. Lawrie did good; didn't get phased by the repeated "when ya gunna buy some brazilians?" questions.

yep, melbourne writer michael lynch was a total tosspot - kept going on about victory and did not recognise adelaide when he talked about the australian teams that did well against japanese opposition (inc. victory - hehe)

he even brought up lawrie's comments about who needs brazilians when you have kwassidinho

lynch said that lawrie was alluding to fred, claudinho and allesandro

lawrie replied that it wasn't about fred because he didn't play that game but was more than vindicated in his comments about the other two

made lynch look like the ill-informed git he was

 

[Marquee]

I thought they did give him a slight roasting, but I was happy to see that and hear his answers.

Main points -

Poor ACL recruiting due to failed links with Sheffield Utd. (all eggs in one basket)

No foreigners due to expense or not better than what we have.

Discussing the Mile factor.

Lawrie did admit that some current players were not up to scratch.

Defensive problems since the start of the year. Corners, etc.