McKINNA OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[offtheball]

but as we all know offtheball, we have nowhere near the money available (whether we can fit them in the cap or not) to make that happen.

it's no more realistic to say we'd be better with steven gerrard, if only we could have him.

I agree, it is a cap problem. I was just making the point that the difference in the standard of the J League and the A League is not because the Japanese development model is so far superior to Australia's (oxymoron?).


I'm speaking with very little knowledge of the J League, but it seems they have a large number of  Japanese nationals playing, they don't head to greener pastures. (No cap so they can stay at home in a strong competition and be set for life.)

If only we could have the 40+? Aussies who are playing abroad in stronger competitions, come home to bolster the A League. Then the problem that Verbeek alludes to would be alleviated.

Obviously the money is not there even if we didn't have a cap, as Dibo says.

Where does the J League money come from? Larger population? Bigger corporate support? No competing spot for bums on seats and sponsorship dollars?

 

[clarence]

Did someone say we got Steven Gerrard? That means Hutch can retire.
Seriously, this is a good thread.
Everyone of you contibutors realise that the future is with the younger kids andthat is where the money needs to be spent. To improve the system coaches from different (ethnic) backgrounds have to be employed as each will bring that extra something our local junior coaches have never been exposed to let alone play against.

There is a south american coach in the Morriset area who is starting to get a reputation as a skills coach and is drawing kids from all parts of the coast to play under him and the kids know how to use the ball.(12/14 yrs old) Unfortunately he is only one coach and we need fifty in this area alone to make any overall progress or we will continue with coaches that did not have skills themslves training the kids. (Their efforts are appreciated though)

The kids do not necessarily need different (ethnic) coaches, but coaches who have up to date training and coaching skills, and a willingness to keep improving their own skills and qualifications.

It is only this year that the FFA have been able to offer the highest coaching qualification that usually folks here have to go to Europe to get (FIFA accredited?), so there is an effort to improve the teaching principles of the game here.

We need to establish quantum leaps in our curriculum. Baan did the leg work and the documents are there for the FFA to hand down to interested parties. That, coupled with all the courses now available right up to the highest one, is there for the taking.

The other issues, about players, is something the FFA should be looking at.

What I'd like to see, if it can happen, is the FFA loosen the salary cap for ACL participants, for ACL match campaigns ONLY.

That means, if a club qualifies for the next ACL, they could be allowed by the FFA to recruit above and beyond their A-League budget, to the limit allowed by the AFC. But only for the ACL matches.

I know it would be hard to recruit a quality player for maybe only 6 or so matches + a retainer for any knock outs, but if the money was there, offers could be made that some players might find hard to refuse.

Obviously, I am not sure of the constraints upon clubs participating in the ACL other than  what I have read in the media, but it seems that Chinese clubs are allowed more imported players for their Super League & ACL matches, which has enabled the likes of the c**t & Bridge to have a sojourn in China.

If it means the FFA going to the AFC and highlighting the disadvantage that A-League clubs face with a domestic salary capped squad competing in a more 'open' comp like the ACL & asking for dispensations from their usual playing roster, then maybe that should happen?

 

[David Votoupal]

Well, many countries do have the bulk of their stars abroad yet still have strong domestic competitions that just keep on producing players.

What sets the clubs in Japan (and other parts of Asia, including the Middle East) isn't the fact that they are cashed up- and Gamba for instance are not even among the richest clubs in Japan- it's the fact that they teach all their players to play a certain way and do so from an early age. It's because Japan and the Middle East, and even Africa, have been open to overseas coaching influences for decades. For all the hype about expensive imports in Japan, the most skilful and creative players in Japan are all home-grown.

 

[Bex]

What I'd like to see, if it can happen, is the FFA loosen the salary cap for ACL participants, for ACL match campaigns ONLY.

That means, if a club qualifies for the next ACL, they could be allowed by the FFA to recruit above and beyond their A-League budget, to the limit allowed by the AFC. But only for the ACL matches.

I know it would be hard to recruit a quality player for maybe only 6 or so matches + a retainer for any knock outs, but if the money was there, offers could be made that some players might find hard to refuse.

Obviously, I am not sure of the constraints upon clubs participating in the ACL other than  what I have read in the media, but it seems that Chinese clubs are allowed more imported players for their Super League & ACL matches, which has enabled the likes of the c**t & Bridge to have a sojourn in China.

If it means the FFA going to the AFC and highlighting the disadvantage that A-League clubs face with a domestic salary capped squad competing in a more 'open' comp like the ACL & asking for dispensations from their usual playing roster, then maybe that should happen?

Yeh, good point that. Why can't a squad be bolstered outside the A-League comp? Why should our own players have to go overseas to get that opportunity?

I guess the other consideration is whether we're going to send our own clubs broke if we alloweded that to happen. Also, what would stop a club offering an inflated ACL payment combined with a proportionally reduced A-League payment - a salary cap avoidance scam?

 

[serious14]

It's because Japan and the Middle East, and even Africa, have been open to overseas coaching influences for decades. For all the hype about expensive imports in Japan, the most skilful and creative players in Japan are all home-grown.

We've got that whole "disguised-racism-Johnny-Foreigner-Asians-are-bad" thing going on..... it's quite sad really.

 

[FFC Mariner]

It's because Japan and the Middle East, and even Africa, have been open to overseas coaching influences for decades. For all the hype about expensive imports in Japan, the most skilful and creative players in Japan are all home-grown.

We've got that whole "disguised-racism-Johnny-Foreigner-Asians-are-bad" thing going on..... it's quite sad really.

Kwasaldinho, Elrich..............

Sheesh you are hard to please

 

[serious14]

Quiet you. 

I meant Australian football in general.

 

[FFC Mariner]

True,

God forbid someone decides to sign an Asian player to try to engage the Asian community. They might attract a whole new support.

 

[Jorome Alexander Bennett]

True,

God forbid someone decides to sign an Asian player to try to engage the Asian community. They might attract a whole new support.

like Kazu?

Anyone else who would generate buzz is too expensive.

 

[Sean]

Oi we should sign MARCINHO!

 

[serious14]

True,

God forbid someone decides to sign an Asian player to try to engage the Asian community. They might attract a whole new support.

Careful - you're starting to make sense there..... wouldn't want someone to get wind of such a thing. 

 

[Razorback]

Whats Ex Celic and Roma player Nakata upto. Would make an ideal marquee IMO

 

[tuftman]

Whats Ex Celic and Roma player Nakata upto. Would make an ideal marquee IMO

Retired after the 2006 World Cup

Aged 29 at the time

 

[dub]

What a ridiculous topic.
Lawrie has done wonders for the club on and off the pitch and people want to get rid of him just because we haven't played well over the past month ??? Wake up to yourselves !!!!
What we have lacked over that period is someone who can control the midfield and some steel in our back 4.
In my opinion we should have started with 3 up front tonight and put pressure on QLD, but that's the way it goes. Let's put the season behind us and concentrate on the ACL.

It wasn't Lawrie who missed tackles, made the poor passes, gave the penalties away or missed the chance to put the ball in the net !!!!

But it was Lawrie who wont change his team look when Tavez came on not the 70minute LM trick how many times this year???

 

[dibo]

dub - why are you quoting and replying to a post from two and a half months ago?

the discussion has moved on from there.

 

[Arabmariner]

No goals in 3 home ACL games.

Half a year now without a win.

At what point does this debacle become unacceptable ?

 

[Ben]

one bloody sub in an entire game, we couldn't put one in so why not introduce some new faces and put someone on with more energy. Although tonight i was pleased with how the team played but not the subs, that was shocking

 

[FFC Mariner]

No goals in 3 home ACL games.

Half a year now without a win.

At what point does this debacle become unacceptable ?

Wont pay him out, havent the $$$

Few chants of John Kosmina's yellow army but that seemed a piss take really.

 

[trev]

yeah wtf was with the subs
time for me to say it Lawrie OUT!!!!!

 

[Jesus]

Hutch and osman were a disaster in the middle as always. All we could do was play it wide because they were non existant and provided neither movement nor creativity. We will not win a game with that cm pairing, glad osman is going, if only for the half change.

Elrich was woeful if he moved off the sideline, and looked like he had no ideas whatsoever as to how he could beat a player. If he was not passing the ball, or getting a free cross, he had no ideas but to push it backwards. Kwassie at least will take on a man and try something. Considering where elrich has been, he should have the confidence to try it.

Why kwassie and caceras up front? Creativity was non existant in the midfield because they were both moved out of it.

When are we going to stop leaking soft goals?

Why did we put in so many crosses when our strikers were not playing. Why were hutch and oz moving forward to head the ball, which they never got up to, and then watch as it falls to either a teda player where they should have been standing, or a cb who pushed into the hole?

f**k put boogs there if thats the case so at least he can try and head it.

1 sub? 80mins in? WTF!!!

Porter into the midfield for some creativity would have done a treat.

Osman was doing nothing, and still couldnt buy a mercy sub for a soft clap for his last game.

If lawrie wanted a clap he should have subbed osman and hutch off at the same time and there probably would have been a standing ovation.

Our best team i can think of for this season?

                Danny (if he comes good)
Clarke      ?              ?            Bojic

Kwassie      Porter    ?            Caceras

              Macca      Simon

So that only leaves 3 major holes, if being very generous to caceras and danny and clarke, and even pedj, who i thought put in a lot of work and had a good game. But cant shoot to save his life.

Lawrie has to go. At no stage during this campaign have i thought that hutch or osman have had a good game. Or even an ok game. Or even that i would not switch them for some lads from my own team who would work harder, make tackles, and actually have creativity.

Porter and huke have at least had good games. Gumps at least good patches and movement.

Hell why not try a young bloke. Hell why not sign jesus for a guest stint? I could not do worse then that. Simple things that most players in dodgy leagues would be embarressed about if they did in their aa5 game, seems fine and part of the game for the mariners.

There are so many problems, that the axe must fall at the top. Lwarie built this team, trains this team, motivates this team, disciplines this team, chooses who plays each week for this team.
He is not doing any of those jobs well enough.

It is time for a change