McKINNA OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[FFC Mariner]

Are those photos that Hutch has so damning? i cant think of any other reason why he plays week in week out.

You are a kind man Jesus........

                    ?
Wilko      ?              ?            Heff

Kwassie      Porter    ?            ?

              ?      Simon

 

[Kareem]

                Danny (if he comes good)
Clarke      ?              ?            Bojic

Kwassie      Porter    ?            Caceras

              Macca      Simon

hmmm
you critiscise elrich a bit too much
IMHO Macca is a lot more worrying on current form
between Kwasnik and Elrich- ofcourse on current from Kwasnik deserves nod (til Erlich gets fit )

but i would prefer this formation
              Danny (if he comes good)
Clarke      ?              ?            Bojic

Elrich        Huke      ?            Caceras

                    Kwasnik
                    Simon
                   

Still that said-
anything is better than lwarie's tactics right now!

 

[Deej]

Kwas is not a player who plays well in that position? His preferred position is wide left

 

[soundsdifferent]

Wat the hell Mckinna...

 

[serious14]

One substitution, 80th minute..... our management situation is not in dire straits in any respect at all.  No sirree Bob.

:'(

 

[FFC Mariner]

TBH I dont think the club or anyone connected with the playing group gave a flying f**k about last nights game.

I kinda showed too and half the team scuttling to the dressing rooms without even a wave (led by Hutchinson).

Credit to those who stayed to appluad the stupid sods who paid to be there (Heff, Ossie, Porter and a few others)

 

[masmariner]

TBH I dont think the club or anyone connected with the playing group gave a flying f**k about last nights game.

I kinda showed too and half the team scuttling to the dressing rooms without even a wave (led by Hutchinson).

Credit to those who stayed to appluad the stupid sods who paid to be there (Heff, Ossie, Porter and a few others)

FFC the problem is this mentality applied to most of the season very few were committed to producing their best however poor that may have been.

Very dissapointed to see Gumps leaving to say the least.

 

[scottmac]

No goals in 3 home ACL games.

Half a year now without a win.

At what point does this debacle become unacceptable ?

Wont pay him out, havent the $$$

Few chants of John Kosmina's yellow army but that seemed a piss take really.

Shouldn't even piss take about Kosmina. (shudder)

 

[kearneyccmcfc]

McKINNA OUT!!!!

If ur team cant score ONE goal infront of your own fans in an entire champions league campaign, whilst playing the worst brand of football in the A-league AND not winning a competitive match since '08, then you don't deserve to be in a job...

It's simply disgracefull. If asked to renew my membership today knowing McKinna will be in charge next season, id seriously consider not wasting my money.

 

[Bex]

f**k off then and don't come back when we start winning you fair weather fan you.

 

[Melsy - One step]

 

[RADINHO]

No goals in 3 home ACL games.

Half a year now without a win.

At what point does this debacle become unacceptable ?

it is unacceptable but knowing the mariners board, they wont mutually terminate lawries contract.... that would cost money

 

[David Votoupal]

With the ACL over, I think it's time to make a much larger assessment.

There are arguments for sticking with Lawrie, and arguments against, and both seem to have plenty of weight.

For is the fact that CCM have been one of the most stable and best-run clubs in the league, and that Lawrie connects with the community. While his tactics have been widely criticised and with good reason, they are certainly not a great deal worse than most coaches in this league. The complaint about subs is a case in point: almost every coach in this league seems to have this problem. The sort of stability that has seen 3 finals participations in 4 years and two Grand Finals, as good as any club in the league.

The argument against keeping Lawrie, however, has become stronger over the past five months. There is a growing feeling that the club has become stagnant, that Lawrie McKinna has taken the club as far as he possibly can. Evidence of very poor tactics and stubborness, and of an attatchment to players beyond reason- Hutchinson a case in point, much like Kosmina with Veart and Ross Aloisi at AU. The club's reactionary, risk-averse approach to signing players is out of step with reality where the standard of the league is continuously improving.

So which is the stronger case?

 

[marinermick]

With the ACL over, I think it's time to make a much larger assessment.

There are arguments for sticking with Lawrie, and arguments against, and both seem to have plenty of weight.

For is the fact that CCM have been one of the most stable and best-run clubs in the league, and that Lawrie connects with the community. While his tactics have been widely criticised and with good reason, they are certainly not a great deal worse than most coaches in this league. The complaint about subs is a case in point: almost every coach in this league seems to have this problem. The sort of stability that has seen 3 finals participations in 4 years and two Grand Finals, as good as any club in the league.

The argument against keeping Lawrie, however, has become stronger over the past five months. There is a growing feeling that the club has become stagnant, that Lawrie McKinna has taken the club as far as he possibly can. Evidence of very poor tactics and stubborness, and of an attatchment to players beyond reason- Hutchinson a case in point, much like Kosmina with Veart and Ross Aloi$i at AU. The club's reactionary, risk-averse approach to signing players is out of step with reality where the standard of the league is continuously improving.

So which is the stronger case?

nice summary of some of the issues

however, there are probably more issues going on behind the scenes that we are all not party to

 

[Wombat]

I have to say that I have no confidence in LM & Tobin.  The players exercution of simple techniques is appalling....as is my spelling.

 

[David Votoupal]

The loss of form since Jedinak left shows the poor depth of the squad and of A-League squads generally. Melbourne struggled in the ACL without Thompson and Hernandez, but even they were not as appalling despite Merrick coming under fire from fans for his tactics.

 

[clarence]

After the ACL campaign, the whole squad and Lawrie and Tobin too, should take two weeks off - do nothing - and think about what an opportunity they have let slip.

After that two weeks, Lawrie and his coaching staff should be made to write debriefs for the Board. The Board should also be looking at their role in all this too.

I'd also have the Captain and some of the senior members still on contract, explain how they saw things. Anything and everything should be covered if they think something warrants a mention.

Clear the air, have a bloody big debate about the main issues that pop up and learn from the mess.

Then get into pre season training, at the same time the Board should be getting their arses onto flights overseas to see what McCabe can advise them & also what's available in the UK - do some scouting of selected targeted players (get Lawrie and Tobin to do this) from the lower grades and so on. I'm not talking about try to get Arshavin or Fabregas, there's a heap of players over there - and there's people like Oliver Bozanic to look at in June too.

Get busy. Don't fart around with stupid vague 'we'll learn and move forward' type of media releases without actually doing something constructive.

Letting go off players who were barely responsible for the last 6 months of bad results is easy. We all knew who they were, and maybe there's one or two left who can thank their lucky stars that their contract was still in force at this time and that the club hasn't got the guts to pay them up and piss them off too. Those non performers have whatever is left on their contract to erase the ACL campaign from their CVs as the main performance indicator of their worth to the team.

Try putting the pressure on the remaining contracted players - many of whom played right through this dire period of the last A-League season and the ACL campaign -by recruiting players as good as them or possibly better.

Lawrie will have to clear the air with us fans.

We don't know how much pull he had in recruitment for the ACL, but at the moment Lyall has said it was more a club decision to run with who they have plus a couple of unknowns and they want to clean out the squad and look to the future. But Lawrie put no 'future' player on the field last night until about 80 minutes, despite the club allowing a youngster to go public about his desire to play in that match. So there is some confusion between what Lyall says the club wants to do and what happens on matchday with Lawrie's decisions.

 

[dru]

Letting go off players who were barely responsible for the last 6 months of bad results is easy. We all knew who they were, and maybe there's one or two left who can thank their lucky stars that their contract was still in force at this time and that the club hasn't got the guts to pay them up and piss them off too. Those non performers have whatever is left on their contract to erase the ACL campaign from their CVs as the main performance indicator of their worth to the team.

Most of what you've brought was sensible and with regards to debriefs and I would be very surprised if this wasn't going to happen anyway (given at the end of season 2 was it Andrew Clark went through a similar process re injuries).

But on the matter of paying out players contracts I'm pretty sure that it is a case of the contract amount still counts against the salary cap (happened after season 1 to Newcastle when reddy went to Qld) so if we pay out a number of players we are screwing ourselves with a highly reduced cap to spend on players.

 

[clarence]

But on the matter of paying out players contracts I'm pretty sure that it is a case of the contract amount still counts against the salary cap (happened after season 1 to Newcastle when reddy went to Qld) so if we pay out a number of players we are screwing ourselves with a highly reduced cap to spend on players.

I was worried that might be the case too.

 

[FFC Mariner]

I think we have shown that the exit route at CCM is to go from regular to bench player (in your last year) and then out the door.

Any of the "regulars" who lose their place to new signings and are in the last year of contract can be pretty confident about the end result IMHO