McKINNA OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Andre_1]

Had a chat to a Mariners Fan customer of mine today re the shambles of last night and the conversation turned to the departure of the Jedi. This guy then went onto remind me of the number of games we have won since Ferguson left to NQ. Coincidence? Or did he have a greater influence than we are privvy to?

 

[Blair]

Poblems:

• Hidden Agenda's
• Piss week town

 

[FFC Mariner]

LOL @ anyone who thinks the person with the $$ doesnt run things.

Why would a football club be any different to any other business.

Tell me, if you had invested your money in a business, would you let anyone else dictate how it was spent?

No? Neither would I.

By the way, does anyone know where the hundreds of thousands of dollars went that the franchise got for Jedinak?

as was mentioned a few times previously in other threads it has gone to cover the operating loss the mariners have had for this season

So if there wasnt this windfall, the Mariners would be further in the red? What financial acumen these "money men" have!  Perhaps they are also out of their league.

So much for transfer fees being compensation to enable comparable replacements.

Yes thats right. The "money men" should have seen the GFC coming and done more to avoid it.

If Warren Buffett did his arse, what hope did anyone else have

Do you read the papers FFS?

 

[Deej]

Mckinna , Caceres , Mrdja , Hutch , Wilko are all rubbish.

A bunch of turkeys could do better.

Porter is the only solid player

this comes from someone who calls an ACL shirt a J League shirt, can we really take you seriously?

How did Porter show he was solid last night?

 

[fruitbat]

LOL @ anyone who thinks the person with the $$ doesnt run things.

Why would a football club be any different to any other business.

Tell me, if you had invested your money in a business, would you let anyone else dictate how it was spent?

No? Neither would I.

By the way, does anyone know where the hundreds of thousands of dollars went that the franchise got for Jedinak?

as was mentioned a few times previously in other threads it has gone to cover the operating loss the mariners have had for this season

So if there wasnt this windfall, the Mariners would be further in the red? What financial acumen these "money men" have!  Perhaps they are also out of their league.

So much for transfer fees being compensation to enable comparable replacements.

Yes thats right. The "money men" should have seen the GFC coming and done more to avoid it.

If Warren Buffett did his arse, what hope did anyone else have

Do you read the papers FFS?

Buffet may not have seen it coming but George Souros has been warning of it for some time.

As I asked before, if it wasnt for this windfall, would we be further in the red. Yes. The transfer should have been used for the purpose it was intended for (buying a quality replacement).
If Jedinak didnt leave, the bean counters would have had to manage somehow.

In contrast, the Jets have been on a buying spree, snapping up good players. (CON seemed to manage his finances somehow). My prediction-Mariners will win the wooden spoon next year.

 

[Wheresdadspants?]

...while the coach can't be blamed in the moment, surely it is up to the coach to reverse the trend.

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kwasnik was unlucky not to get a couple of consolations.

Luck has nothing to do with it. A general lack of ability on the other hand...

Oh but of course. How could I have doubted it? The only bloke who got close to scoring for us last night is the one lacking ability

Funniest thing you have ever posted! Congratulations, everyone is now dumber for reading that!

[/quote]

You are a f**king twit. Kwasnik was stopped by two good saves and was doing well with limited time on the park. I suppose you would rather have Nik out there who missed two sitters. How come people still have to be so negative with Kwassie. Why is there even blame on him in his first game back for us when there are so many others on that field who deserve your scorn. Absolute tool mate.

 

[adz]

come on guys, leave the personal stuff out... you can make an argument without saying how stupid you think someone/everyone is.

 

[Ben]

i don't know what is happening in the day to day running of the club but it is apparent that something is wrong and if it's not fixed soon then we will continue to produce results like that which will make things even worse, fans not coming etc
I have never managed a team (excluding football manager) so i don't know if its something that lawrie is doing or if its just the players not performing. I just think that we need someone to come and shake things up a bit, not necessarily a player (cause we can't register any new players for ACL) but maybe someone to help with coaching or motivation

 

[marinerbhoy]

come on guys, leave the personal stuff out... you can make an argument without saying how stupid you think someone/everyone is.

that pretty much sums up the problem of the forum. there is no debate because, well, noone is ever wrong. there is always one right answer in some peoples eyes. if someone disagress it is because 'they know nothing of football'.

 

[FFC Mariner]

An opinion is a belief that may or may not be backed up with evidence, but which cannot be proved with that evidence. An opinion is neither right nor wrong. It is normally a subjective statement and may be the result of an emotion or an interpretation of facts; people may draw opposing opinions from the same facts.

In economics, philosophy, and other social sciences talking about football, analysis based on opinion is referred to as normative analysis (what ought to be), as opposed to positive analysis, which is based on scientific observation (what materially is or is experimentally demonstrable and can never be applied to football).

Opinions can be persuasive, but only the facts they are based on can be said to be true or false.

(Edited Wiki)

 

[Arabmariner]

An opinion is a belief that may or may not be backed up with evidence, but which cannot be proved with that evidence. An opinion is neither right nor wrong. It is normally a subjective statement and may be the result of an emotion or an interpretation of facts; people may draw opposing opinions from the same facts.

In economics, philosophy, and other social sciences talking about football, analysis based on opinion is referred to as normative analysis (what ought to be), as opposed to positive analysis, which is based on scientific observation (what materially is or is experimentally demonstrable and can never be applied to football).

Opinions can be persuasive, but only the facts they are based on can be said to be true or false.

(Edited Wiki)

What a lot of ****** ****!!

Imo.

 

[dub]

corners (attacking and defending) have been awful.

just focussing on the attacking bit - how can professionals so consistently fail to hit the ball where they want to? i simply can't imagine how it is possible for the ball to be constrantly overhit or else plugged on to the head of the first defender. we hit maybe two effective corners last night, and that was probably an improvement on past matches.

defending corners we've obviously been woeful. the setup can't possibly be that bad - we're gifting free headers and not defending on the posts, but while the coach can't be blamed in the moment, surely it is up to the coach to reverse the trend.

these are basic things - you get pissed off with an AA6 side making these errors. they've got to be fixed. the players are responsible on the night, but when it's week after week...

ditto our midfield quite frankly. i notivced it less in the second half, but in the first it was amazing how little movement or enterprise there was. kawasaki had exactly no work to do, because we didn't work off the ball. it was like watching traffic cones. in response, the long ball comes out (more from frustration than design i think). there was so little composure, and when combined with so little opportunity all of a sudden the hit and hope seems the best option.

how many times did we turn posession over through a big angled ball getting cut out or simply hoofed over the sideline?

adrian caceres attempted to overcome the problem by running with the ball, and ran into trouble and lost the ball again and again. both dylan and mrdja received the ball too far from goal too often and nobody worked off them - including them not working off each other.

elrich, kwasnik and gumprecht all came on and at least moved for the ball and created space both for themselves and their teammates. kwasnik was unlucky not to get a couple of consolations.

there is plenty to work on in the next fortnight.

Even after a 5 zip drubbing you refuse to lay any blame with the coach! This shit blows my mind!

The amount of time that LM had to prepare the side for this match only proves what a poor job he is currently doing! And taking this into account he must be made responsible for this debarcle. If he can't get get players to move into space after passing the ball get some one in who can teach them this or at least show enough discipline to bench or reprimand those who do not!

All of the cases you have listed above end with effective coaching.

I agree and if LM was not worried about his Job when Fergie left he should have known that he needed help especially his defence but not one word trying to keep Bosnich at the club to help organise his defence as they where for the first 5 games never lost???? what does that tell you he kept  the boys working for their money and even if he was old he went down for each ball on his near side not just watch them go in you need to be in position first though.

 

[tugga]

Mckinna , Caceres , Mrdja , Hutch , Wilko are all rubbish.

A bunch of turkeys could do better.

Porter is the only solid player

this comes from someone who calls an ACL shirt a J League shirt, can we really take you seriously?

How did Porter show he was solid last night?

Porter was the only one who defended any good.

They are think they are two good for their boots. They all train at Mingara gym where I train. None of em do anything or take it seriously. They all just f**k around or stand there. The only people you see training are Porter, Gumps and Wilko.

 

[Paolo]

Mckinna , Caceres , Mrdja , Hutch , Wilko are all rubbish.

A bunch of turkeys could do better.

Porter is the only solid player

this comes from someone who calls an ACL shirt a J League shirt, can we really take you seriously?

How did Porter show he was solid last night?

Porter was the only one who defended any good.

They are think they are two good for their boots. They all train at Mingara gym where I train. None of em do anything or take it seriously. They all just f**k around or stand there. The only people you see training are Porter, Gumps and Wilko.

the same wilko you just included in your list above?

 

[marinermick]

have to feel sorry for porter

the first goal he was pulled across to mark tese because he was unmarked and not his man, but got there late

same for the third when juninho was free on the edge of the box

on both those goals for some reason he was marking two men

second, fourth and fifth goals were not his fault and he put in some decent crosses, so in that context he was not as horrible as some of the others

 

[tugga]

Mckinna , Caceres , Mrdja , Hutch , Wilko are all rubbish.

A bunch of turkeys could do better.

Porter is the only solid player

this comes from someone who calls an ACL shirt a J League shirt, can we really take you seriously?

How did Porter show he was solid last night?

Porter was the only one who defended any good.

They are think they are two good for their boots. They all train at Mingara gym where I train. None of em do anything or take it seriously. They all just f**k around or stand there. The only people you see training are Porter, Gumps and Wilko.

the same wilko you just included in your list above?

Yes he trains, I give him that. But he hasn't performed as of late.

 

[clarence]

An opinion is a belief that may or may not be backed up with evidence, but which cannot be proved with that evidence. An opinion is neither right nor wrong. It is normally a subjective statement and may be the result of an emotion or an interpretation of facts; people may draw opposing opinions from the same facts.

In economics, philosophy, and other social sciences talking about football, analysis based on opinion is referred to as normative analysis (what ought to be), as opposed to positive analysis, which is based on scientific observation (what materially is or is experimentally demonstrable and can never be applied to football).

Opinions can be persuasive, but only the facts they are based on can be said to be true or false.

(Edited Wiki)

A little on this aspect of everyone giving opinions.

I will admit that I have made it clear that I will not be attending these ACL matches due to financial constraints. So I write this with a diminished authority/right to comment. But it appears some who come on here tend to set themselves up as hypocrites.

I have heard from a little bear who was there, that a person who has been quite vocal against radical, hard line change, a person claiming to be superior in football spectator cred as he was there when it all went to shit at Pittwater Park, telling those hard liners they know nothing about what they are commenting about etc., was observed by some at the game, leaving with family & friends after the 5th goal was scored, EARLY.

If there's one thing you do not do as a fervent spectator of the game and in particular if your team is getting thrashed, it's leaving EARLY.

At least many of the people who came, stayed behind to acknowledge the superiority of the Kawasaki team and offer some sort of muted support to our players who were mightily overcome by the shame of the result.

Does that forumite care to out themself, hmmm? 

 

[marinerbhoy]

mising the games due to financial constraints does diminish your comments or opinions, nor does it revoke your right to make a valid comment. although i can understand you feeling like that with some of the comments on here.

 

[clarence]

mising the games due to financial constraints does diminish your comments or opinions, nor does it revoke your right to make a valid comment. although i can understand you feeling like that with some of the comments on here.

Thanx  for the comment, but the point I was making is I wasn't there, and unless you were, putting your money down for tickets etc. you can't make too many claims about the state of the game or the way the game went. If you paid nothing then your comments are worth about as much, IMHO.

But I did here of this leaving early, and hard to believe this was someone who makes claims of superiority due to their long time 'involvement' with football.

That is also compounded by this shirker's unhinged bias for leaving things as is, no changes, steady the ship, attitude.

Well, we all saw what that sort of approach when managing a football team can bring, when the Mariners played Kawasaki! If this shirker was man enough, they'd get on this forum and at least acknowledge that changes are required and that Lawrie needs to be better prepared than what he had his team at on Wednesday night.

But alas, that sort of owning up is far removed from the minds of people who berate others for wanting a much tougher regime of management at the Mariners, yet bale out when they realise their philosophy towards the game has been so ruefully pwned in real life.

 

[FFC Mariner]

I have never left a game early since trying to leave a NY day game at Fratton Park at HT.

Fulham were 4-0 down, we hadnt been to bed, raging hangovers kicking in and it was sleeting into an open end.

The gates were locked against us and we had to stay.

Drew 4-4.

Clarence, I have no idea who you are talking about but people decide whether to leave or stay for their own reasons. Its not up to us to judge or decide that this is the benchmark of a good supporter.