McKINNA OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Arabmariner]

I won't comment on tonights performance because I missed most of it.

But the facts are we haven't won in 2009.

We've just been given the absolute drubbing that's been coming for a while.

Not good enough I'm afraid and in this game the coach carries the can.

 

[FFC Mariner]

Based on his performances in the last year, on what grounds would you give Gumps a contract?

 

[Paolo]

Based on his performances in the last year, on what grounds would you give Gumps a contract?

he has no hair and we don't care?

 

[Deej]

Based on his performances in the last year, on what grounds would you give Gumps a contract?

he has no hair and we don't care?

he's good at fancy dress?

 

[Paolo]

Based on his performances in the last year, on what grounds would you give Gumps a contract?

he has no hair and we don't care?

he's good at fancy dress?

i dont remember anything 'fancy' about his dress standards....just 'cultural differences'

 

[David Votoupal]

Let's analyse or more like scrutinise the Mariners' performances throughout A-League history thus far.

Season 1
A tremendous effort right to the end, only to be hard done by in the Grand Final. Lost just 5 games in the regular season and a 9-game unbeaten run to finish it. Heffernan's ability to get goals from left-back a highlight. Arguably exceeded expectations.

Season 2
No Heffernan, and injuries contribute to a poor season. Scoring goals evidently a problem, defence somewhat less so considering only Melbourne and Sydney conceded fewer. Some good results followed a slow start to the season, but failure to make most of home games towards the end of the season proved costly.

Season 3
The Mariners were actually tipped by quite a few people as darkhorses before the season started. A strong start to the season and generally in and around the top before winning the Premiership in the final round on goal difference ahead of the Jets. However, this was the lowest points tally thus far to win it and 7 games lost was a third of 21 games. In truth, the Mariners and Jets were the best of a bad bunch- it was a very poor quality season with a lot of the football on show from most teams hard to watch. Nothing much to be said about the Grand Final.

Season 4
I expected the Mariners to go backwards following the loss of Pondeljak. However, the side was able to remain in and around the top 4 all season- the comeback games in Sydney and Adelaide the main highlights, and a couple more thrilling games besides. Defence became a huge problem, scoring goals less so. However, the season finished on a downer following the loss of Jedinak. Three losses in a row was followed by an exit from the finals. The tally of 28 points is the lowest a team ever qualified for the finals, helped by the extreme incompetence of the four teams that didn't make it.

Overall?  I'd say that McKinna, on the balance, has done an excellent job to keep the Mariners competitive, consistently there or thereabouts and outdoing some better-resourced clubs. The Mariners have been one of the best run in the league- and the best run club in NSW, although there isn't any competition for that

However, the line between stability and stagnation can be very thin- and nobody wants to be what Man City have been over the last 30 years, or Spurs in roughly the same period, or Newcastle, Sunderland or West Brom over many years in having a constant revolving door. However, the warning signs have been there for a while now, that McKinna may have taken the club as far as he can as a coach, and that a review of the direction of the club may be needed.

This is a league that will become significantly tougher and the stakes higher from next season. Expansion will mean new teams, new competition- and a less forgiving environment to operate in.

 

[mixfmaus]

McKinna should be replaced with an overseas coach.......European,South American(Brazil,Argentina....) this 'donkey' should go NOW!!!!
We are playing donkey football 'cause we have a 'donkey' manager......

 

[marinermick]

because the overseas coaches have been so successful in the a-league  :

 

[jaypee]

Maybe Fergie was the "REAL" coach and LM was and is a very good man manager?

LM needs to stay - but maybe its time for him to move upstairs???

We also need some more cattle - would love to see more out of our Sheffield partnership - some Sth Americans etc not just the Sheffield players/rejects???

 

[Roy Law]

So the Mariners are a bunch of donkeys and cattle will solve the problem? Prefer a mix of greyhounds and crocodiles myself - quick enough to catch that little brazilian magician and bite his legs off!

 

[jaypee]

So the Mariners are a bunch of donkeys and cattle will solve the problem? Prefer a mix of greyhounds and crocodiles myself - quick enough to catch that little brazilian magician and bite his legs off!

Hey the way we moved we were sloths.....I'd take cattle over that

 

[David Votoupal]

because the overseas coaches have been so successful in the a-league  :

Maybe because none of the overseas coaches we've had in this league have been any good? Littbarski, Butcher and McMahon had average to very poor records overseas.

If we could do what Japan had been able to do, and what the Middle Eastern nations have done for YEARS- and that is attract proven, reputable coaches- then the stature and level of play in our league will be raised a great deal. A couple of decent Spanish coaches should be available- why not seek them out?

 

[Sacko]

because the overseas coaches have been so successful in the a-league  :

why not seek them out?

Lack of
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[marinermick]

because the overseas coaches have been so successful in the a-league  :

Maybe because none of the overseas coaches we've had in this league have been any good? Littbarski, Butcher and McMahon had average to very poor records overseas.

no, they all had pretty decent records in their respective competitions - you can also add richard money to that list

and now here lies the massive flaw in your argument - all these coaches were paid substantially more than the homegrown coaches

now, if you think these coaches had poor records, and that they were paid very big dollars to be here, what would a "decent" coach be paid then?

 

[BrisRecky]

because the overseas coaches have been so successful in the a-league  :

Maybe because none of the overseas coaches we've had in this league have been any good? Littbarski, Butcher and McMahon had average to very poor records overseas.

If we could do what Japan had been able to do, and what the Middle Eastern nations have done for YEARS- and that is attract proven, reputable coaches- then the stature and level of play in our league will be raised a great deal. A couple of decent Spanish coaches should be available- why not seek them out?

giving LM the flick dont look like its gonna happen anytime soon David...so change the record will ya

 

[David Votoupal]

no, they all had pretty decent records in their respective competitions - you can also add richard money to that list

and now here lies the massive flaw in your argument - all these coaches were paid substantially more than the homegrown coaches

now, if you think these coaches had poor records, and that they were paid very big dollars to be here, what would a "decent" coach be paid then?

Decent records?

Butcher was TERRIBLE when managing Coventry and Sunderland. Ask fans of either club what they thought of him. And Brentford were heading for the toilet before he got the boot.

McMahon did a lot of damage to Swindon along with then chairman Rikki Hunt and is hated by much of the Swindon support for it. A Swindon fan said they "hacked the club to pieces", and the football played under his watch was terrible.

Littbarski has never achieved anything of note before or after Sydney FC- his record has been average at best.

Only Richard Money has done anything of note since, promotion with Walsall.

 

[Sacko]

What ever happened to Hickman???

 

[marinermick]

no, they all had pretty decent records in their respective competitions - you can also add richard money to that list

and now here lies the massive flaw in your argument - all these coaches were paid substantially more than the homegrown coaches

now, if you think these coaches had poor records, and that they were paid very big dollars to be here, what would a "decent" coach be paid then?

Decent records?

Butcher was TERRIBLE when managing Coventry and Sunderland. Ask fans of either club what they thought of him. And Brentford were heading for the toilet before he got the boot.

McMahon did a lot of damage to Swindon along with then chairman Rikki Hunt and is hated by much of the Swindon support for it. A Swindon fan said they "hacked the club to pieces", and the football played under his watch was terrible.

Littbarski has never achieved anything of note before or after Sydney FC- his record has been average at best.

Only Richard Money has done anything of note since, promotion with Walsall.

fine, these guys were all in your opinion "crap"

you still didn't answer my question - if all these crap coaches were paid substantially more than our home grown coaches what will "decent" coaches be paid?

 

[Sacko]

He was an overseas coach for Northen Spirit, he got sacked and certain LM won coach of the year the following season.....

Hickman himself had replaced another useless coach, Graham Arnold, now what ever happend to him? - he was last seen at NSO having his boots thrown back at him after he'd thrown them into the crowd!   

 

[David Votoupal]

fine, these guys were all in your opinion "crap"

Not just in my opinion, but the general consensus out there, especially at the clubs cocnerned.

you still didn't answer my question - if all these crap coaches were paid substantially more than our home grown coaches what will "decent" coaches be paid?

Fair enough, it's likely they won't come cheap but do remember as well that the fact those failed coaches were well-paid shows the same principle applies to coaches as well as players (e.g. Zdrilic, Aloisi at Sydney)- just because you're paid big bucks doesn't instantly make you any good.