McKINNA OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[scottmac]

If we don't bring in some talent and open up the purse strings with a number two included (asst manager), that clueless dribble we were dished up the other night, is all we'll get. 

People keep complaining about opening up the purse strings and spending more on whatever, but our club is run by business men who seem to make business decisions.

Also bear in mind the type of businessmen who hold the purse strings in the club - property developers and bankers. These are the type of sectors that have really been punished in this downturn.

They may not be as flush as people think, especially when it comes to cash flow, and therefore contributing their share.

Fair enough, as long as the club then is prepared to live with the fact that crowds will remain low, marquee = bums on seats = increased revenue(gates,shirts sales etc) and how long do we think the NRL will be able to resist a team up here. Not long I bet. Gallop was on the coast the other day.  If we found money for Vidmar then Aloi$i and with the sale of Jedi, F@$k me, give us something Mariners, anything, I am a die hard football fan and always will be, but they are making it hard at the moment.

you do not get it. No one is saying they will not spend money. The past has proven that they will spen, but only when it is most benificial to the mariners.
The decisions and deals that have been spoken about have
a) not gone according to our plan and deals have been rejected
b) had a player ask for too much which makes it not worthwhile
c) not worked out to be benificial for us.

The club more than likely has been trying its hardest to get that elusive marquee spot filled. But not at any expense. We need a signing which fills a football hole aswell as a publicity hole. There are not too many of these guys willing to come to Australia at this present stage.

So while you sit behind your screen and whinge and whine about the lack of activity from the mariners, and about how hard it is to be a supporter right now, think about how it would be to be a sydney or a newy supporter right now.

It is also abundantly clear that the club's conservative attitude to player recruitment is also a likely albatross around its neck.

How is it conservative? We have signed one of Australias best defenders. We signed Aloisi when Sydney could not. We even reportedly offered him a million dollars a season to stay with us. We have been able to keep the nucleus of a squad together and have achieved a fair amount of success with it.

If they have not found the right fit for our clubs marquee, then i would rather they keep looking than sign anyone just so the people of your opinion are happy.

Players like Hendrie and Gillespie would have been good for our football results, maybe. but what about the average person on the coast who does not support football. what would those names have done for bums on seats? Ok we may have seen an short increase in ticket sales from extended success such as last season towards the end. But that does not last. We need a guy who will bring them in because of his name. Thats what a marquee is.

We are the club that is most often attached with talk about big name signings. (except for the two new clubs at this stage due to them having to recruit many) It shows that someone is looking, and their is a purpose there to sign a big name. they just haven't found the right deal yet.

 

[FFC Mariner]

Agree 100%. A marquee needs to generate extra bums on seats to cover their cost. Its a cost/benefit deal rather than a pure footballing issue.

IMHO, Viddie would have meant a lot to the football community on the Coast whereas Aloisi was aimed at the wider public.

I personally couldnt give a f**k about a high profile marquee UNLESS they would add to our ability to win games.

 

[David Votoupal]

Well hasn't that been something lacking from the Mariners' arsenal of late? Someone who is a genuine gamebreaker that can win games out of nothing- when too often dominance isn't turned into more convincing wins. Most teams in the league have or have had it.

 

[ccm]

I dread the thought that the club takes these people seriously, or that one day these people might become the majority and we become a shell of a club like Sydney.

9000 to a semi dibo, we are already a shell of what we were the previous year! The missing 10,000 from the previous year is the majority, 6000 to the opening ACL match and Pohang brought more supporters than Adelaide or QLD ever do! Do you see what I am saying?

Obviously the people on the forum will support the club regardless and to feel frustrated by current performances is nothing to feel bad about. Its the missing 10,000 which gave the mariners its first profit need to be made to feel that they are important to club also and strategies need to be put in place to bring them back to game.

Being a Rugby League heartland means that the club needs to be pro-active regarding this issue and the stagnation and recent poor performances of the current team and not going to win these fans back. Success on the field will usually breed success off the field and these rugby league fans are always going to support a winning team but will also just wait at home for the RL season to start when we are not winning. In our market it is vital that the mariners are a successful football team or we will continue to see poor crowds.

Sean, I don't think slagging fans who are clearly frustrated with current events but still go to the games to support the team achieves anything! "f**k off and sit on the sideline instead of the bay" comments is probably why the numbers and noise from the bay are so disappointing and a reason why I have never wasted my time by sitting in the bay. As much fun as it does look when we are winning, being shot down by dickheads who think they "own" the bay when they want to start a chant has never looked appealing to me. Maybe this needs to be addressed and getting some solidarity will bring the numbers back to the bay. Or maybe, just maybe these are the fans that are leaving the game because they are sick of wasting their money and getting nothing back in return from team and the bay.

[yeh i reckon we need tto advertise bay 16 more banners behind the bay for the passing peoples, and more advertisments about the mariners specially on t.v. and i decorate gosford in  mariners colours, ill come to gossy and bring the yellow paint, and just make sure everyone knows about the marinators and bay 16 wheneva they enter the stadium, they need to know its free, just buy ur ticked and join us. 
         
and if theres little kids in the bay 8 and under, lets not sware in chants, but most of the time there aint ]

 

[Redline]

Is that in addition to actually paying to get into the game? What you get for the $190 and where does the cash go?

$190 to sit in the bay? Bugger that. I'll spend my money and get my membership for the new season now I will be back down there and able to attend games, but be stuffed If I'm going to pay that sort of dosh just to sit in "THE BAY". I'll just get a normal GA season membership.

 

[scottmac]

9000 to a semi dibo, we are already a shell of what we were the previous year! The missing 10,000 from the previous year is the majority, 6000 to the opening ACL match and Pohang brought more supporters than Adelaide or QLD ever do! Do you see what I am saying?

Adelaide had the same problem at their home final, (Although the coach had just called Adelaide a pissant town) and this in a year when their team was highly succesfull, so there may have been mitigating circumstances. You will probably also find that the majority as you call it were a combination of Newcastle and CC fans. Something that will not happen every year either.

The ACL is a midweek match which Australia is not used to unless it is Origin. Plus the fact the weather was shite. The previous year we were beating all teams and it was well publicised. This will not happen every year, even with a different coach or higher profile players.

the only worrying fact is that the community aspect has fallen off recently. But there could be explainable cause for this, and i would not be surprised that come V5 they are back to the normal community focus.

 

[Jimmy]

Is that in addition to actually paying to get into the game? What you get for the $190 and where does the cash go?

$190 to sit in the bay? Bugger that. I'll spend my money and get my membership for the new season now I will be back down there and able to attend games, but be stuffed If I'm going to pay that sort of dosh just to sit in "THE BAY". I'll just get a normal GA season membership.

I'm pretty sure the Mariners were having a meeting with the FFA.
It might not cost $190 to be a bay member next season.
There might not even be a bay membership next year.

 

[Redline]

If it's that much I won't be joining the bay. It's not worth it to paya premium price for a bay which is open to all the elements when I could sit under cover for a similarish price. (Can't recall off hand how much the side bays are.)

 

[Razorback]

Scott you come up with excuses for everything. Newcastle fans at games V sydney and Melbourne doesn't explain 19k spectators through the turn stiles. You are truely clutching at straws.

What you are doing is sweeping all the problems under rug. To quote you from a different thread - "I'm glad your not running the club" or maybe you do! Explains a lot

 

[Sean]

If it's that much I won't be joining the bay. It's not worth it to paya premium price for a bay which is open to all the elements when I could sit under cover for a similarish price. (Can't recall off hand how much the side bays are.)

Welcome to three quarters of bay regulars circa introduction of The Bay memberships.

 

[dub]

Agree 100%. A marquee needs to generate extra bums on seats to cover their cost. Its a cost/benefit deal rather than a pure footballing issue.

IMHO, Viddie would have meant a lot to the football community on the Coast whereas Aloi$i was aimed at the wider public.

I personally couldnt give a f**k about a high profile marquee UNLESS they would add to our ability to win games.

You din't want to list Bosnich did you what was wrong with keeping him a bit longer  as he was training for nothing at Sydney FC .
With the extra 1000 bums that we had and the free exposure on fox every week that no other marquee gave us we could have had another player on the books that could come handy now with his experience ???

 

[scottmac]

Scott you come up with excuses for everything. Newcastle fans at games V sydney and Melbourne doesn't explain 19k spectators through the turn stiles. You are truely clutching at straws.

What you are doing is sweeping all the problems under rug. To quote you from a different thread - "I'm glad your not running the club" or maybe you do! Explains a lot

I will think you will find Razor that the semi final was between us and newcastle.

Major Semi-Final (Leg 2)

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10 February 2008
18:00 UTC+11 Central Coast Mariners FC 2 0
3 0 (AET) Newcastle United Jets FC Bluetongue Stadium
Attendance: 19,112
Referee: Ben Williams
Kwasnik  37'
Petrovski  74'  95'

So i am not making excuses, you simply do not know what you are talking about. In future razor why don't you pull your head out of wherever it may be stuck and do some reasearch before posting the drivel you so often do.

 

[Razorback]

Ok you mentioned one match (a Semi final where good cowds should be expected), I was referring to the great crowds against sydney and melbourne in regular season games. Where's your head and research and drivel now dumbass! You posts represent everything that is wrong with the club at the moment! Living on past achievements is not looking at any way to move forward and thats all you seem content to be doing! Defending the current recruitment by bringing up the past recruitment of viddy and Aloisi (signed as an injury replacement no less) proves nothing just the like the majorty of your moronic posts!

 

[scottmac]

Ok you mentioned one match (a Semi final where good cowds should be expected), I was referring to the great crowds against sydney and melbourne in regular season games. Where's your head and research and drivel now dumbass! You posts represent everything that is wrong with the club at the moment! Living on past achievements is not looking at any way to move forward and thats all you seem content to be doing! Defending the current recruitment by bringing up the past recruitment of viddy and Aloi$i (signed as an injury replacement no less) proves nothing just the like the majorty of your moronic posts!

WTF are you on??? i was refering to the previous post in the thread,(EDITwhich was your f**king post, so how the f**k did you stuff that upEDIT) which mentioned the semi final, so the reasoning behind you bringing up Sydney and Melbourne crowds is beyond me. Do you take what is written in any context you feel like or do you read all the posts?

Razor, this will be the last thing i say on this because it feels so immature going tit for tat with you.  We did sign Aloi$i on injury replacement but my point there was we spent the money. The club will sign another marquee, but not because you want it, or in the timeframe you want it either. It will happen when the situation benefits the player, the team and the club.

I as much as anyone wants this club to move forward, but it will not happen because someone on a forum gets all agro about how he or she thinks that such and such needs to happen now.

I am a realist, and can support the team knowing that the reason a new coach or a big name signing doesn't occur is because the best interest of our club and its longevity are being put first. Never have i said that i do not believe the mariners would be better of if a high profile player or coach was brought in. I just understand that at this point in time it may not be possible. I myself even complained in one post about the failure of the mariners to find a marquee when we had reportedly offered Aloi$i 1 million a season to stay, only to have someone reply to me that if they could use my credit card then i would get my marquee.

If you think you could do better than the current management and you think you have all the answers, then why don't you send them a resume and apply for a position. I am sure they would love to hear what you have to say.

 

[Part_Timer]

McKINNA IN........

 

[thetormentor]

Woah... the hokey pokey !

 

[FFC Mariner]

You put your left knee out
Your right knee out
and wobble about
oooooooooooohhhhhh the Jimmy Bullard

(Not so nice chant from his former adoring fans last week)

 

[Jesus]

Sash certainly gave 2 more reasons for Lawrie out

 

[Kareem]

far out!
as far as I am concerned the Sash departure can only be evaluated by the 2010/11 season, the season we weren't prepared to offer him. If he is scoring goals then- then by all means fire away at our mgt! But like it has been said on here time and time again- we didnt think it was worthwhile to offer 2 years (too risky)- and I for one fully support the clubs stance (and lol at the Jets).

 

[marinermick]

far out!
as far as I am concerned the Sash departure can only be evaluated by the 2010/11 season, the season we weren't prepared to offer him. If he is scoring goals then- then by all means fire away at our mgt! But like it has been said on here time and time again- we didnt think it was worthwhile to offer 2 years (too risky)- and I for one fully support the clubs stance (and lol at the Jets).

+1, plus it would not only be lawrie's decision to offer sash the extra cash and year extension

it's the money men that make these decisions and to say that lawrie should be outed because of this is so ignorant