McKINNA OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Alicia]

What's Sully up to??????

Isn't he with the Phoenix?

 

[FFC Mariner]

Yes

 

[marinermick]

If we don't bring in some talent and open up the purse strings with a number two included (asst manager), that clueless dribble we were dished up the other night, is all we'll get. 

People keep complaining about opening up the purse strings and spending more on whatever, but our club is run by business men who seem to make business decisions.

Also bear in mind the type of businessmen who hold the purse strings in the club - property developers and bankers. These are the type of sectors that have really been punished in this downturn.

They may not be as flush as people think, especially when it comes to cash flow, and therefore contributing their share.

 

[offtheball]

Porter is not a number 10..
Not even at local level!!!

iv seen him play that position for lightning before, not for whole games, but at times

iv also seen him taking awesome free kicks before. Wish others in the team let him step up sometimes

Wasnt it blindingly obvious on Weds (well to me at least) that Porter is maturing into a quality player who looks to feel v comfortable at this level.

agree, he is making right back his own

Can't have Porter taking free kicks with Nik in the team.  The only time Nik runs is when we get a free kick in shooting distance and he has to get there first to claim it. Very much like Under 10's

 

[jaypee]

OK we may have no big signings to glorify (but then again who knows what will happen before next campaign)

*whistles*

Just like Sargent Shultz " I know Nothing.... Nothing".......

 

[tuftman]

I gotta say I disagree that we've been successful in the past with the long ball tactics and such - the single best period of play I have ever seen us engage in was for a 20 minute period against Sydney in Round 1 of Version 3.   There was the occasional chip, but never a 'hoof and hope'.  Every pass had purpose, every player was moving off the ball, there was a lot of one touch and balls into space, etc. and so forth.

Aside from Tommy, Jedi, and Sasho no longer being here and Gumps not starting, is there really that much difference in personnel between that night and last night that we can't engage in the same thing??   (some, me amongst them, although I'm trying to meet the "we're great" arguers halfway here, will argue that yes indeed, the losses of Tommy and Jedi were that important) 

Why can't we play like that a lot more??    We _embarassed_ Sydney in that first half, and not only was it easy on the eye, but it was SMART football.   We found gaps with consumate ease, we played with width, and we played with pace.  Not to mention, it was POURING rain.

We all know that we've done it before - what's to stop us from doing it again??

Lawrie??

So the coach is exactly the same...the team is a bit different...but what's changed is the coach. Love the logic.

Maybe it's that until January 1, 2009 we had been dominating teams and playing quite well for 20, 30, 45 minutes here and there, just as before, and then Jedi left and we came up against a Qld, Victory and Adelaide that had improved big time since V3 and were simply superior to us without Mile Jedinak.

Doesn't the coach dictate the style of play?? and the tactics used throughout??

 

[dibo]

I gotta say I disagree that we've been successful in the past with the long ball tactics and such - the single best period of play I have ever seen us engage in was for a 20 minute period against Sydney in Round 1 of Version 3.   There was the occasional chip, but never a 'hoof and hope'.  Every pass had purpose, every player was moving off the ball, there was a lot of one touch and balls into space, etc. and so forth.

Aside from Tommy, Jedi, and Sasho no longer being here and Gumps not starting, is there really that much difference in personnel between that night and last night that we can't engage in the same thing??   (some, me amongst them, although I'm trying to meet the "we're great" arguers halfway here, will argue that yes indeed, the losses of Tommy and Jedi were that important) 

Why can't we play like that a lot more??    We _embarassed_ Sydney in that first half, and not only was it easy on the eye, but it was SMART football.   We found gaps with consumate ease, we played with width, and we played with pace.  Not to mention, it was POURING rain.

We all know that we've done it before - what's to stop us from doing it again??

Lawrie??

So the coach is exactly the same...the team is a bit different...but what's changed is the coach. Love the logic.

Maybe it's that until January 1, 2009 we had been dominating teams and playing quite well for 20, 30, 45 minutes here and there, just as before, and then Jedi left and we came up against a Qld, Victory and Adelaide that had improved big time since V3 and were simply superior to us without Mile Jedinak.

Doesn't the coach dictate the style of play?? and the tactics used throughout??

Congratulations! You've just failed Logic 101 - Understanding a coherent argument.

 

[tuftman]

I gotta say I disagree that we've been successful in the past with the long ball tactics and such - the single best period of play I have ever seen us engage in was for a 20 minute period against Sydney in Round 1 of Version 3.  There was the occasional chip, but never a 'hoof and hope'.  Every pass had purpose, every player was moving off the ball, there was a lot of one touch and balls into space, etc. and so forth.

Aside from Tommy, Jedi, and Sasho no longer being here and Gumps not starting, is there really that much difference in personnel between that night and last night that we can't engage in the same thing??  (some, me amongst them, although I'm trying to meet the "we're great" arguers halfway here, will argue that yes indeed, the losses of Tommy and Jedi were that important) 

Why can't we play like that a lot more??    We _embarassed_ Sydney in that first half, and not only was it easy on the eye, but it was SMART football.  We found gaps with consumate ease, we played with width, and we played with pace.  Not to mention, it was POURING rain.

We all know that we've done it before - what's to stop us from doing it again??

Lawrie??

So the coach is exactly the same...the team is a bit different...but what's changed is the coach. Love the logic.

Maybe it's that until January 1, 2009 we had been dominating teams and playing quite well for 20, 30, 45 minutes here and there, just as before, and then Jedi left and we came up against a Qld, Victory and Adelaide that had improved big time since V3 and were simply superior to us without Mile Jedinak.

Doesn't the coach dictate the style of play?? and the tactics used throughout??

Congratulations! You've just failed Logic 101 - Understanding a coherent argument.

So because we've lost Tommy P and Jedi, who BTW I'm not saying weren't important, means that long ball has become the best option? Is that what I'm to understand?

Adelaide, Melbourne and Queensland have moved forward, we all agree on that. In terms of personnel we probably have gone in the opposite direction. Caceres isn't (yet) a Pondeljak, and the various players we've tried at CDM since losing Jedi haven't (yet) filled his boots. But does that mean that all the sudden keeping possession, with balls on the ground as opposed to hopeful long balls, doesn't work as a tactic?

 

[marinermick]

Gotta laugh at all these people rubbishing the long ball tactic. On Wednesday we played the opposite and tried a passing, possession game. So much so that for the first time in ages we were comfortably ahead in the possession stat.

It was no coincidence that we probably had the least amount of opportunities on goals in ages. Pohang maintained their shape in defence comfortably.

There is nothing wrong with direct play.

 

[FFC Mariner]

Sir Alf Ramsey gained his reputation with his Ipswich team (prior to getting the Engerlund gig).

He always reckoned it was 3 passes from box to box. The critical one being the 2nd pass.

Direct, high tempo pressing game is fine (and works). Mindlessly hoofing the ball out from the back does not

 

[marinermick]

Direct, high tempo pressing game is fine (and works). Mindlessly hoofing the ball out from the back does not

That's the key isn't it.

Scolari transformed an under-performing Brazilian team into world champions by ditching the possession game and going for a direct, high tempo game.

 

[FFC Mariner]

Before Weds game, our goals from V3 were being re run. The pace we played at was a lot faster than this season and the results were obvious.

Have we tried to change our style? Are we not as fit now that Fergie has left?

 

[David Votoupal]

AC Milan under Sacchi won back-to-back European cups with an attack-minded pressing game which required a high work rate and wore opponents down.

 

[woodchuck]

If we don't bring in some talent and open up the purse strings with a number two included (asst manager), that clueless dribble we were dished up the other night, is all we'll get. 

People keep complaining about opening up the purse strings and spending more on whatever, but our club is run by business men who seem to make business decisions.

Also bear in mind the type of businessmen who hold the purse strings in the club - property developers and bankers. These are the type of sectors that have really been punished in this downturn.

They may not be as flush as people think, especially when it comes to cash flow, and therefore contributing their share.

Fair enough, as long as the club then is prepared to live with the fact that crowds will remain low, marquee = bums on seats = increased revenue(gates,shirts sales etc) and how long do we think the NRL will be able to resist a team up here. Not long I bet. Gallop was on the coast the other day.  If we found money for Vidmar then Aloisi and with the sale of Jedi, F@$k me, give us something Mariners, anything, I am a die hard football fan and always will be, but they are making it hard at the moment.

 

[Razorback]

Gotta laugh at all these people rubbishing the long ball tactic. On Wednesday we played the opposite and tried a passing, possession game. So much so that for the first time in ages we were comfortably ahead in the possession stat.

Are you kidding? We were ahead the possession stat becaue there were ten passes between the back 4 and hutch then came the dreaded hoof. Aimless passing has become our forte and has resulted in the poorest of finishing from our strikers because they have forgotten what to do when the ball comes to their feet. See Matt Simon's first half effort. Nearly all of his goals this year has come off his hard work and I can remember him finishing off a good passing movement.

 

[marinermick]

Gotta laugh at all these people rubbishing the long ball tactic. On Wednesday we played the opposite and tried a passing, possession game. So much so that for the first time in ages we were comfortably ahead in the possession stat.

Are you kidding? We were ahead the possession stat becaue there were ten passes between the back 4 and hutch then came the dreaded hoof. Aimless passing has become our forte and has resulted in the poorest of finishing from our strikers because they have forgotten what to do when the ball comes to their feet. See Matt Simon's first half effort. Nearly all of his goals this year has come off his hard work and I can remember him finishing off a good passing movement.

[sigh], and when was the last time we even tried to do ten passes at the back? that's my point - this time we were actually play a passing, possession game and that is why on the scheme of things we lost plenty of ball passing short passess

and i challenge you to go and look at the replay (on fox all the time) and tell me how many times hutch hoofed the ball up field - very, very little if ever. hutch rarely did that in the normal season let alone the different tactics of wednesday night

people conveniently make up analysis through their own predisposed prejudices and sometimes i think they rarely watch games with any thought or reasoning as to why it is happening

 

[Arabmariner]

Gotta laugh at all these people rubbishing the long ball tactic. On Wednesday we played the opposite and tried a passing, possession game. So much so that for the first time in ages we were comfortably ahead in the possession stat.

Are you kidding? We were ahead the possession stat becaue there were ten passes between the back 4 and hutch then came the dreaded hoof. Aimless passing has become our forte and has resulted in the poorest of finishing from our strikers because they have forgotten what to do when the ball comes to their feet. See Matt Simon's first half effort. Nearly all of his goals this year has come off his hard work and I can remember him finishing off a good passing movement.

I think you're right about Matty.

Off the top of my head I can't think of him "tapping in" a goal at the end of a well worked move.
All his goals as you say come from him working hard and harrassing defenders.

Mind you I have seen him miss a few sitters.

If he could just remain a bit more cool,calm and collected when these "sitters" present themselves............. I don't think he'd be around here for very long!

 

[pjennings]

[sigh], and when was the last time we even tried to do ten passes at the back? that's my point - this time we were actually play a passing, possession game and that is why on the scheme of things we lost plenty of ball passing short passess

and i challenge you to go and look at the replay (on fox all the time) and tell me how many times hutch hoofed the ball up field - very, very little if ever. hutch rarely did that in the normal season let alone the different tactics of wednesday night

people conveniently make up analysis through their own predisposed prejudices and sometimes i think they rarely watch games with any thought or reasoning as to why it is happening

 

[Wombat]

Porter is not a number 10..
Not even at local level!!!

Given he played an entire season in this role for CCL nothwithstanding?

Not according to John he did not.. Wide on the right..Up and down the chalk..

Because he was leaving he did not want to put him a crucial role...

Played in middle when I saw him

And actually I dont care what position he played at the lightning..He aint a number 10..
Caceres is
Tommy is
Corica is/was

Agreed.

Porter has had a good season and has been the best of our backs, however I don't think he has the quality or composure (at this stage) for Centre Mid.
RB or RM only.

 

[Wombat]

I'd be very interested to see him in the number 10 role.

              danny
clark?  wilko  boogs    pedj
              huke
kwas        porter          heff
      matty          nik


IMHO that team would get smashed by everyone else in HAL.

Weakness all over the park apart from front two which in time will be a very solid pairing.