McKINNA OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[dibo]

you still didn't answer my question - if all these crap coaches were paid substantially more than our home grown coaches what will "decent" coaches be paid?

Fair enough, it's likely they won't come cheap but do remember as well that the fact those failed coaches were well-paid shows the same principle applies to coaches as well as players (e.g. Zdrilic, Aloi$i at Sydney)- just because you're paid big bucks doesn't instantly make you any good.

but the converse is true- if you're actually good (as in you're known to be good, not just a gamble - and we're certainly not going to gamble with that amount of cash) then you will cost even more than the guys who are proven muppets.

so you've got a choice.
pay an aussie coach a certain amount and understand what you're getting;
pay a shit foreign coach more for no more result;
gamble more for an unknown foreign coach, or;
pay shedloads for a foreign coach who's actually good.

the shedloads option simply isn't available, we don't have the wedge.

pick from the other three - in my opinion based on what returns you might expect, we're already on the right track with a local coach. whether lawrie is the right man is freely debatable.

for those arguing we should sign up some overseas players ditto applies to players - replace the word 'coach' with the word 'player' and you're in the same situation with the additional constraint that we can only put one outside the cap.

were we to sign 3 OS players, the others' increased wages necessarily reduce what we can spend on the other 20 players. if you don't like the bottom 20 of our 23 at the moment, they'd be worse if we had proven OS players in as well. the only feasible alternative then is to sign some goodies and take some gambles on kids.

 

[David Votoupal]

Coaches I proposes have usually not been "big names" but not wholly unknown either, just have worthy track records and in some instances a reputation for developing players. And where the game is at now in Australia, that latter quality is all important.

 

[dibo]

Coaches I proposes have usually not been "big names" but not wholly unknown either, just have worthy track records and in some instances a reputation for developing players. And where the game is at now in Australia, that latter quality is all important.

= proven = more cash than we can afford!

what don't you get?

 

[FFC Mariner]

Lets face it, our selection and retention policy seems to have been proven to be shit (with the benefit of hindsight)

Our yoof team has pretty much been disbanded by all accounts and we have a few 1st team players that are not up to the mark.

The manager does have to take some blame. Any leader is ultimately responsible.

How is breaking the bank to hire some one from overseas going to get Huke/Porter to defend corners worse than an U6 side? How is it going to age Danny 5 years+ so he is the organiser he will become?

I'm pretty certain last nights performance wasnt the game plan.

The key for LM is what he does about it. He made is clear after the Melb debacle that the players let themselves down. He did it again after last night.

The next 2 months will tell if we have rejigged the plan

 

[dibo]

corners (attacking and defending) have been awful.

just focussing on the attacking bit - how can professionals so consistently fail to hit the ball where they want to? i simply can't imagine how it is possible for the ball to be constrantly overhit or else plugged on to the head of the first defender. we hit maybe two effective corners last night, and that was probably an improvement on past matches.

defending corners we've obviously been woeful. the setup can't possibly be that bad - we're gifting free headers and not defending on the posts, but while the coach can't be blamed in the moment, surely it is up to the coach to reverse the trend.

these are basic things - you get pissed off with an AA6 side making these errors. they've got to be fixed. the players are responsible on the night, but when it's week after week...

ditto our midfield quite frankly. i notivced it less in the second half, but in the first it was amazing how little movement or enterprise there was. kawasaki had exactly no work to do, because we didn't work off the ball. it was like watching traffic cones. in response, the long ball comes out (more from frustration than design i think). there was so little composure, and when combined with so little opportunity all of a sudden the hit and hope seems the best option.

how many times did we turn posession over through a big angled ball getting cut out or simply hoofed over the sideline?

adrian caceres attempted to overcome the problem by running with the ball, and ran into trouble and lost the ball again and again. both dylan and mrdja received the ball too far from goal too often and nobody worked off them - including them not working off each other.

elrich, kwasnik and gumprecht all came on and at least moved for the ball and created space both for themselves and their teammates. kwasnik was unlucky not to get a couple of consolations.

there is plenty to work on in the next fortnight.

 

[serious14]

Littbarski has never achieved anything of note before or after Sydney FC- his record has been average at best.

Damn that World Cup he won.....    (and yes, I know you're talking about as a coach)

 

[Razorback]

corners (attacking and defending) have been awful.

just focussing on the attacking bit - how can professionals so consistently fail to hit the ball where they want to? i simply can't imagine how it is possible for the ball to be constrantly overhit or else plugged on to the head of the first defender. we hit maybe two effective corners last night, and that was probably an improvement on past matches.

defending corners we've obviously been woeful. the setup can't possibly be that bad - we're gifting free headers and not defending on the posts, but while the coach can't be blamed in the moment, surely it is up to the coach to reverse the trend.

these are basic things - you get pissed off with an AA6 side making these errors. they've got to be fixed. the players are responsible on the night, but when it's week after week...

ditto our midfield quite frankly. i notivced it less in the second half, but in the first it was amazing how little movement or enterprise there was. kawasaki had exactly no work to do, because we didn't work off the ball. it was like watching traffic cones. in response, the long ball comes out (more from frustration than design i think). there was so little composure, and when combined with so little opportunity all of a sudden the hit and hope seems the best option.

how many times did we turn posession over through a big angled ball getting cut out or simply hoofed over the sideline?

adrian caceres attempted to overcome the problem by running with the ball, and ran into trouble and lost the ball again and again. both dylan and mrdja received the ball too far from goal too often and nobody worked off them - including them not working off each other.

elrich, kwasnik and gumprecht all came on and at least moved for the ball and created space both for themselves and their teammates. kwasnik was unlucky not to get a couple of consolations.

there is plenty to work on in the next fortnight.

Even after a 5 zip drubbing you refuse to lay any blame with the coach! This shit blows my mind!

The amount of time that LM had to prepare the side for this match only proves what a poor job he is currently doing! And taking this into account he must be made responsible for this debarcle. If he can't get get players to move into space after passing the ball get some one in who can teach them this or at least show enough discipline to bench or reprimand those who do not!

All of the cases you have listed above end with effective coaching.

 

[Razorback]

kwasnik was unlucky not to get a couple of consolations.

Luck has nothing to do with it. A general lack of ability on the other hand...

 

[David Votoupal]

Littbarski has never achieved anything of note before or after Sydney FC- his record has been average at best.

Damn that World Cup he won.....     (and yes, I know you're talking about as a coach)

Same can be said for Matthus... probably the biggest tool to have ever played the game.

 

[dibo]

Even after a 5 zip drubbing you refuse to lay any blame with the coach! This shit blows my mind!

Reading not your strong suit?

...while the coach can't be blamed in the moment, surely it is up to the coach to reverse the trend.

the players are responsible on the night, but when it's week after week...

Clearly the coach has work to do and blame to shoulder.

The amount of time that LM had to prepare the side for this match only proves what a poor job he is currently doing! And taking this into account he must be made responsible for this debarcle. If he can't get get players to move into space after passing the ball get some one in who can teach them this or at least show enough discipline to bench or reprimand those who do not!

All of the cases you have listed above end with effective coaching.

So you think a new coach will fix players who won't hit a pass, won't run into space, won't strike a corner, won't mark a player... ?

On the player side, when you've got a limited number of players AND limited cash you can't bench everyone nor can you simply sign up superstar replacements. The team's form has gone toxic, but you can't tear up contracts and start again, so it's got to be worked through.

The constant refrain of 'sack the coach' is the easy option and completely ignorant of the reality that there is hardly a line-up of excellent coaches beating down the door and there's hardly a heaving pile of cash to both pay out Lawrie and pay the imaginary new guy.

kwasnik was unlucky not to get a couple of consolations.

Luck has nothing to do with it. A general lack of ability on the other hand...

Oh but of course. How could I have doubted it? The only bloke who got close to scoring for us last night is the one lacking ability, the rest must be ok.

 

[Razorback]

...while the coach can't be blamed in the moment, surely it is up to the coach to reverse the trend.

:

kwasnik was unlucky not to get a couple of consolations.

Luck has nothing to do with it. A general lack of ability on the other hand...

Oh but of course. How could I have doubted it? The only bloke who got close to scoring for us last night is the one lacking ability
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Funniest thing you have ever posted! Congratulations, everyone is now dumber for reading that!

 

[FFC Mariner]

 

[narfza]

He might come good. We wanted that Judas Merrick to be sacked. But it paid off.

 

[David Votoupal]

He might come good. We wanted that Judas Merrick to be sacked. But it paid off.

Except that in terms of recruiting, Melbourne have mostly worked well.

 

[tugga]

Mckinna , Caceres , Mrdja , Hutch , Wilko are all rubbish.

A bunch of turkeys could do better.

Porter is the only solid player

 

[fedelta]

Mckinna , Caceres , Mrdja , Hutch , Wilko are all rubbish.

A bunch of turkeys could do better.

Porter is the only solid player

blasphemous c**t

 

[fruitbat]

LOL @ anyone who thinks the person with the $$ doesnt run things.

Why would a football club be any different to any other business.

Tell me, if you had invested your money in a business, would you let anyone else dictate how it was spent?

No? Neither would I.

If I owned a business whose product had turned to shit, I wouldnt be surprised if the customers complained and chose not to buy it again.

If a cash injection is needed to buy some talent, why cant the "money men" float a tranch of shares in the franchise to local supporters. I'd buy a share if I knew we'd get rid of dead wood who have been offering contracts to players/managers who are past their use by date.

By the way, does anyone know where the hundreds of thousands of dollars went that the franchise got for Jedinak?

 

[marinermick]

LOL @ anyone who thinks the person with the $$ doesnt run things.

Why would a football club be any different to any other business.

Tell me, if you had invested your money in a business, would you let anyone else dictate how it was spent?

No? Neither would I.

By the way, does anyone know where the hundreds of thousands of dollars went that the franchise got for Jedinak?

as was mentioned a few times previously in other threads it has gone to cover the operating loss the mariners have had for this season

 

[tugga]

Mckinna , Caceres , Mrdja , Hutch , Wilko are all rubbish.

A bunch of turkeys could do better.

Porter is the only solid player

blasphemous c**t

Do you really think Caceres is good?!?!?!

Hahaha he is a joke

 

[fruitbat]

LOL @ anyone who thinks the person with the $$ doesnt run things.

Why would a football club be any different to any other business.

Tell me, if you had invested your money in a business, would you let anyone else dictate how it was spent?

No? Neither would I.

By the way, does anyone know where the hundreds of thousands of dollars went that the franchise got for Jedinak?

as was mentioned a few times previously in other threads it has gone to cover the operating loss the mariners have had for this season

So if there wasnt this windfall, the Mariners would be further in the red? What financial acumen these "money men" have!  Perhaps they are also out of their league.

So much for transfer fees being compensation to enable comparable replacements.