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Mariners v Queensland Minor Semi Finals

uptheguts

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All good points above.

I get sick and tired of watching the same $hit week in and week out from the CCM.

Were is the inivation on new plays? Its the same old boring crap. I am flying into QLD Friday morning from O/S. Might go and catch the cricket game. Australia will loose but atleast they will score.

All we had to do last night was hold our line on defence DONT BALL WATCH. We did not need to score, Suncorp is a happy hunting ground for us. Now we have to go up there dont let them score (LAUGHING) and bang 3 in the back.

Oh and one last thinh HUTCHO is a f$%king crap player, I could pass the ball around better after 10 pints at CCLC and necking some Blue Tongue.
 

Paolo

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MANUMAN said:
Good luck to all you die hard supporters travelling to qld you would probably get more enjoyment staying home and watching a game of marbles.definately cheaper
your forgetting that there are other things to enjoy when on away trips then just the football...eg different pubs, casinos, strip clubs
 

Arabmariner

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FFC Mariner said:
I was at both the wales and poland game as a kid

Never speak of either again

Thank you
As as kid I was at the Scotland v Czechoslovakia game that night when we qualified for the first time since 1958.

A memorable night made even better when we heard the result from Wembley.

Forget the Polish keepers name....began with a T I think.......but he was brilliant.

Sorry GP,off topic too,but I couldn't resist!  ;)
 

FFC Mariner

Well-Known Member
Arabmariner said:
FFC Mariner said:
I was at both the wales and poland game as a kid

Never speak of either again

Thank you
As as kid I was at the Scotland v Czechoslovakia game that night when we qualified for the first time since 1958.

A memorable night made even better when we heard the result from Wembley.

Forget the Polish keepers name....began with a T I think.......but he was brilliant.

Sorry GP,off topic too,but I couldn't resist!  ;)

1st time I ever heard my old man use the C word was at the Poland game.

for any Aussies, think Iran '97 but worse, so much worse
 

cruiser

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Crap sums up last nights game.

Crap performance by the entire team.

Crap performance by our strikers who have forgotten how to score. Three scoreless games in a row is unacceptable. Simon hasnt been the same since his injury. Just strike the f**king ball and stop wasting so much f**king time thinking about your shot before making it. I'm sick of watching us dominate significant parts of games (first half last night, Melbourne a few weeks ago) and not score.

Crap defence letting that first goal in -why wasnt there a player marking that side of the goal. And Danny seems to have been affected by his suspension. I wont go so far as to say he's crap, but he's lost some form.

Crap coaching by Lawrie who has done little to change things around to overcome this slump.

Crap decision by the club to release Jedinak at such a critical time in the season. Even a reluctant Jedinak would be better than no Jedinak.

Crap crowd although those who didnt go were the smart ones (crap decision by me to waste $40). At least I can watch next weeks game with a remote control and an off switch at hand.
 

yellowcake

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Very disappointed. Result. Performance. Crowd. (Pitch).

Really wondering why I'm going to Brisbane if the same is served up (especially as having my 9 year old and going with my sister and nephew, there won't be "different pubs, stripclubs...") but I love supporting our team. I guess the atmosphere in a (hopefully) packed Suncorp could be a memorable experience but silently watching the opposition fans celebrating is something I'm growing weary of after 2 GFs.

But... 3 goals while conceeding one or less or 2-0 and winnng PSO is only highly unlikely in the circumstances, not impossible.

I'm guessing our recent performances leading to local pessimism is what earned us the only ever sub-10,000 A-League Finals Series crowd. Although for FFA to consider. I've talked to regulare attenders today who didn't go as there was no GA and the usually like to be flexible about where they sit on the day.

BJ said:
I don't know what the hell the team does at training during the week, but it doesn't seem to be anything that improves themselves. There is no enthusiasm, no get-go. Just the same ineptitude and lack of initiative on the pitch.

I took two guys from work, both arrivals in Australia in recent years. One has been to some games (not with me), it was the other's first trip to Bluetongue. Between them they have seen England at Webley in WC 1966, seen Pele play in Brazil and been part of the organisation at Crystal Palace.
One asked during the game "who is their skills coach?" I mean I know Clarkie's the fitness coach and Lawrie and Alex responsible for tactics, stategy and 'man management'. So who is?

The poor finishing and poor passing which are hurting us so badly are reflective of a skills deficit.
 

pjennings

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We did play crap last night and were beaten by a better team.

We had a penalty shout turned down and a soft one given against us. William only seemed to want to referee one side.

Danny looking solid but not great. Why doesn't he keep people on the post at corners? And once getting to the ball from the penalty you would think that harder hands would turn it round the corner.

The real problem though is the midfield. Osman was superb last night. Gumps started well but faded quickly. Hutch and Caceres didn't turn up. So lets's freshen the side up.

Next week


              Danny

      Wilko  Stringers  Pedj

                Ossie
Smitta                              Heff

                Owens

      Simon                Sash

                Mrdja/DMac
       
Bench Redders, Clarky, Gumps, Elrich/Hutch, Dmac/Mrdja

Smitta and Heff will have to work bloody hard - but our current midfield will just not do the job. Maybe start Nik over Dmac who has not looked like scoring.
 
 

yellowcake

Well-Known Member
I would also liked to have seen Sasho on earlier (apart from skills) he's shown before he is a 'big game player'. Regardless of his departure and club politics has shown enough this season  to show he's got it. I even wonder if really rolling the dice and starting with him and Nic (early V3 considered to be the most formidable strike-pairing in the league). Probably haven't got the form to justify it but we've got to try something different.
 

David Votoupal

Well-Known Member
FFC Mariner said:
LOL that Hutch will ever get dropped while LM is in charge

Reminds me of how Ross Aloisi and Carl Veart were undroppable at Adelaide United under John Kosmina. They go 1-0 down at home to the NZ Knights (!) and then Aloisi gets taken off for Greg Owens and his substitution is cheered by the crowd. Romario was taken off for Travis Dodd earlier.

So what happens? Adelaide United transform and salvage a point.
 

midfielder

Well-Known Member
Arabmariner said:
I wouldn't mind being a fly on the wall in the boardroom just now because surely Gorman,Turnbull etc are thinking the same as most of us in regards to McKinna and our tactics etc.

Whether they have the balls to do something about it is another matter.

I think McKinna has done a lot for this club and in some respects still does.But as far as the team on the park is concerned I think he hit the wall a while back and is incapable of taking this team any further.Our squad is as good (or bad) as most in the a-league but imo any creativity is being stifled by McKinnas tactics.

Same shit every week whether it's working or not.

A 9500 crowd to a final should be a warning sign to the hierarchy that people know shit when they see it and not everyone will pay to watch it.

I tend to agree, and if not for poor play by some other sides and a run of results (in other matches) that went our way we could have finished just above the Scum in the table.

The collective loss of Jedi & Tommy P, has made the team very ordinary in creating the go forward and aside from Grumps no one in the MF was last night showing for the backs when they had the ball in tight positions often resulting in a long ball. Caceres has not been the answer his finishing in shots on goal the final pass to attacking player is sadly lacking Elrich getting injured has not helped neither. We are 5 days away from having to lodge our ACL squad and seem to not be able to get or even talk to the kinda of players we need.

As many have said we carry a lot of dead wood we alone do not go after overseas players ... Player recruitment and having balance in a side is LM job our mids and choice of backs  this year reflect the collective choices we have made.

As Arabmainer said will be interesting in the board room this week.
 

brett

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Worst posts in this thread: "I'm never coming back", "Waste of money attending", "Unlucky if you're going to Qld" etc.

There are three very good sides in the comp this season - and we ain't one of them. In many ways, it's unfortunate that we have to be the finals bunnies. We lost our best player (for better or worse) and all our momentum a month ago, and we'd been looking better than we should have at that point because we'd saved up our games against the top sides for last. Wellington, Sydney, Perth, Newcastle...they all would have struggled big time in the finals too.

What was most disappointing for me was the lack of belief in the team that saw us making great comebacks earlier this season. After the first goal (another schoolboy marking error by Pedj in recent weeks), heads went down, effort went down.

Looking forward to getting Friday out of the way and moving towards Asia for a bit of a fresh start.

The squad is due for a refresher, but not a massive cleanout imo. There just isn't the talent floating around that is better than what he have. I propose we simply need 2 high-quality signings on top of the core squad we have now, including an experienced leader, and we'll be right in there. We were there or thereabouts when we had Mile.

And in the last four games, against the A-League benchmarks, we have been 'in' each game, and with some luck could have come away with something. Last night we almost scored in the 2nd minute and I haven't seen a replay but thought Matty should have had a penalty. Probably didn't deserve to win any of the four, but we're not miles away.

We don't have depth in the right areas. We looked brilliant at times with two up front but again changed to a 4-3-3, probably more because we have no decent midfield replacements but plenty of strikers to spare. The balance needs to be adjusted, and Huke's signing is a starting point to that.

One fairly consistent factor in the successful teams is an experienced, influential player who has runs on the board and will lift the rest of the team to a higher level. MV have Muscat. Qld have Moore. Sydney were top of the league while Popovic was still playing. CCM V3 had Vidmar. When heads have gone down this season, there's been no one to turn to.

The team has troughed and peaked over the four seasons. Most A-League teams have. Melbourne have gone from shite to brilliant to shite to excellent. Adelaide have been more consistent but had their shocker in V3 and Asia preceeding that. We've had great years in V1 and V3 but poor years in V2 and V4 - poor but far from diabolical.

Given that, it would be an overreaction to look at Lawrie's head. I know you can't excuse bad results forever, but there surely has to be far more reason than where we're at now for a change of empire. Look at our short history - McKinna is more than capable of winning games with the right players, and he is more than capable of recruiting the right players. I, like all, bemoan the effect of Jedi's absence on the team. But I remember where he came from.

There other thing is, and people on the forum tend to moan and groan at this sort of statement but it IS a factor worth considering, McKinna had a huge role in the creation of the club and a bigger role in its connection with the community. If you throw McKinna out you risk throwing out the identity of the club and going down the Sydney FC route - disillusioned fans occasionally turning up in the hope that a decent club might eventually present itself.

I'm not an apologist for the tactics, selections and subs, because I don't agree with a lot of that recently. But it's about pros and cons, and perspective. This is one of the most frustrating times in the club's history, because it seems like there is little hope the situation will change moving forward. But you're kidding if you think Farina or anyone else would have done any better with the cattle we had last night. And if you could have swapped Moore and McKay onto our team, I'll bet we would have won 2-0.

Let's get Friday out of the way, look forward to an exciting Asian journey, make a couple of key additions to the squad hopefully including an influential marquee, and get back to a peak year rather than this trough. And if nothing's changed in 12 months, come and see me again.
 

David Votoupal

Well-Known Member
What's needed is a rethink of gameplan, change in style of play, and getting one player who is a genuine gamebreaker that can turn dominance into wins.
 

brett

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PS, having just watched the replays of incidents and goals, Tiatto should have been red, red, red for the first half challenge on Gumps - two feet, studs coming down onto a player's shin. Tiatto's challenge on Matty in the box in first half should also have been a pen. Zullo's lunge was somewhere between yellow and red.

Next week they could be without McCloughan who got injured, Tiatto who is suspended, and maybe Moore if he gets hurt or can't recover from the Japan game on Wednesday.

Running at a back four of Seo - de Vere - Mundy - Packer I would almost fancy our chances :p
 

Ursus

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brett said:
Worst posts in this thread: "I'm never coming back", "Waste of money attending", "Unlucky if you're going to Qld" etc.

There are three very good sides in the comp this season - and we ain't one of them. In many ways, it's unfortunate that we have to be the finals bunnies. We lost our best player (for better or worse) and all our momentum a month ago, and we'd been looking better than we should have at that point because we'd saved up our games against the top sides for last. Wellington, Sydney, Perth, Newcastle...they all would have struggled big time in the finals too.

What was most disappointing for me was the lack of belief in the team that saw us making great comebacks earlier this season. After the first goal (another schoolboy marking error by Pedj in recent weeks), heads went down, effort went down.

Looking forward to getting Friday out of the way and moving towards Asia for a bit of a fresh start.

The squad is due for a refresher, but not a massive cleanout imo. There just isn't the talent floating around that is better than what he have. I propose we simply need 2 high-quality signings on top of the core squad we have now, including an experienced leader, and we'll be right in there. We were there or thereabouts when we had Mile.

And in the last four games, against the A-League benchmarks, we have been 'in' each game, and with some luck could have come away with something. Last night we almost scored in the 2nd minute and I haven't seen a replay but thought Matty should have had a penalty. Probably didn't deserve to win any of the four, but we're not miles away.

We don't have depth in the right areas. We looked brilliant at times with two up front but again changed to a 4-3-3, probably more because we have no decent midfield replacements but plenty of strikers to spare. The balance needs to be adjusted, and Huke's signing is a starting point to that.

One fairly consistent factor in the successful teams is an experienced, influential player who has runs on the board and will lift the rest of the team to a higher level. MV have Musc**t. Qld have Moore. Sydney were top of the league while Popovic was still playing. CCM V3 had Vidmar. When heads have gone down this season, there's been no one to turn to.

The team has troughed and peaked over the four seasons. Most A-League teams have. Melbourne have gone from shite to brilliant to shite to excellent. Adelaide have been more consistent but had their shocker in V3 and Asia preceeding that. We've had great years in V1 and V3 but poor years in V2 and V4 - poor but far from diabolical.

Given that, it would be an overreaction to look at Lawrie's head. I know you can't excuse bad results forever, but there surely has to be far more reason than where we're at now for a change of empire. Look at our short history - McKinna is more than capable of winning games with the right players, and he is more than capable of recruiting the right players. I, like all, bemoan the effect of Jedi's absence on the team. But I remember where he came from.

There other thing is, and people on the forum tend to moan and groan at this sort of statement but it IS a factor worth considering, McKinna had a huge role in the creation of the club and a bigger role in its connection with the community. If you throw McKinna out you risk throwing out the identity of the club and going down the Sydney FC route - disillusioned fans occasionally turning up in the hope that a decent club might eventually present itself.

I'm not an apologist for the tactics, selections and subs, because I don't agree with a lot of that recently. But it's about pros and cons, and perspective. This is one of the most frustrating times in the club's history, because it seems like there is little hope the situation will change moving forward. But you're kidding if you think Farina or anyone else would have done any better with the cattle we had last night. And if you could have swapped Moore and McKay onto our team, I'll bet we would have won 2-0.

Let's get Friday out of the way, look forward to an exciting Asian journey, make a couple of key additions to the squad hopefully including an influential marquee, and get back to a peak year rather than this trough. And if nothing's changed in 12 months, come and see me again.

Thanks Tiger for some sense and a great post in what has become a shit thread.

"Let's get rid of LM he has only got us to the finals in 3 of the 4 seasons, only 2 GF's and only one plate. It does not matter that he is the heart and soul of the club, we demand better"
Arnie and Kossie are available.

"Let's drop D Mac and Danny, They only got call ups to the Socceroos squad a fortnight ago, they must be shit"

There is one thing worse than Friday's result and that is the stupid, ignorant, whinging and the demanding of heads on this thread.

Read through it all and see how many players we would have for next year.

Then have a serious look at Sydney and Newcastle. That is what you will get.

Idiots.



Everyone is entitled to their opinion. That is mine.
 

kevrenor

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Ursus said:
Thanks Tiger for some sense and a great post in what has become a shit thread.

"Let's get rid of LM he has only got us to the finals in 3 of the 4 seasons, only 2 GF's and only one plate. It does not matter that he is the heart and soul of the club, we demand better"
Arnie and Kossie are available.

"Let's drop D Mac and Danny, They only got call ups to the Socceroos squad a fortnight ago, they must be shit"

There is one thing worse than Friday's result and that is the stupid, ignorant, whinging and the demanding of heads on this thread.

Read through it all and see how many players we would have for next year.

Then have a serious look at Sydney and Newcastle. That is what you will get.

Idiots.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion. That is mine.

:goodpost:

There are problems with the squad, deficiencies by the coaches, and things that could be better with the club ... but guys and girls get some perspective.

We could be supporting Newcastle or Sydney ... and with your ideas we might be as Ursus stated.
 

David Votoupal

Well-Known Member
Ursus said:
"Let's get rid of LM he has only got us to the finals in 3 of the 4 seasons, only 2 GF's and only one plate. It does not matter that he is the heart and soul of the club, we demand better"
Arnie and Kossie are available.

There are good coaches available- abroad. Being progressive and proactive in this department will bring rewards.

Then have a serious look at Sydney and Newcastle. That is what you will get.

I won't argue with that, but to prevent a Sydney-like scenario, major changes do have to be made on the field as well.
 

Capn Gus Bloodbeard

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gull said:
jaypee said:
Must have been watching that game through seriously yellow tinted glasses, Stringers got him and its a penalty - was a very silly penalty.... We all love our team but to suggest Williams had an influence on the game is laughable. Williams refed fine - no issues from me

Well you must need glasses. Watched it on replay at normal speed many times and it aint a penalty. Williams was beyond a joke.

If you have no issue with that then I feel sorry for you.

He blatantly clipped his leg with a lazy and late challenge.  How anybody can have a problem with that penalty is beyond me.

Still, Tiatto should've been sent for that sickening early challenge - and to be honest, Zullo probably should've been sent too (similar challenge to Tiatto's, except it only used 1 foot.  Still studs up, over the ball, straight at the player).  There's a history of highly dangerous tackles being let go in the HAL, and a LOT of players have been injured as a direct result of challenges that are supposed to be outlawed.  Gumps is lucky his foot is still attacked to his leg.

Reckon he'll get any more for abusing Williams after the red card?  Considering that the FFA's judiciary have already repeatedly proven that 'integrity' is a four letter word, I'd be very, very surprised.

I thought Simon should've gotten that penalty in the 10th minute too...oh well.

No surprise to see that goal off the corner - yet again, piss weak marking costs us goals.
 

morrijo

Well-Known Member
Sasho should start the next game not be from bench

He saved us last year against Newcastle.

LM face it he is our best striker so use him.

he will score.
 

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