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Mariners Squad - HAL 14 - 2018- 2019 - The challenge for Mike Mulvey is over

Offsider

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Most of your posts??? LOL.

Kennedy has only been here this season and was slighty better than Izzo and Ivan. So he is only responsible for this year's spoon. He was good until the last few weeks when "John The Bookie" must have bumped into him at Terrigal. His last few games were terrible culminating in a sub-Trott performance (something only Izzo has ever managed before)

You do understand that you normally have 1 Goalkeaper, 4 defenders. 4 or 5 Middies and 1 or 2 strikers depending on the team set up.

So i'm not splitting hairs at all. The Cheese Eaters are both fine players and we can thank them that Okon and his retarded puppet are gone.

But they are not defenders buddy.


Wow ??? ............ so now kennedy is not so bad whereas before he was shit ??? Only the last couple of games when it looked like the whole team just wanted out and the defense in front of him didn’t have a clue what they wrre doing. Playing like a bunch of dumb fullbacks.

You do understand ???? ......... that the team is only allowed 11 on the field. Of your 4 or 5 middies, do any of them play a defensive roll, screening the defense so to speak, but you don’t consider them defenders?? Ok I can live with that if you can ???

Just one thing though .......... why thank the “cheese eaters “ for getting rid of okon???
 

nebakke

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Wtf is going on that we can't even keep two local youth products who would be looking at regular game time here?
 

Forum Phoenix

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Wow ??? ............ so now kennedy is not so bad whereas before he was shit ??? Only the last couple of games when it looked like the whole team just wanted out and the defense in front of him didn’t have a clue what they wrre doing. Playing like a bunch of dumb fullbacks.

You do understand ???? ......... that the team is only allowed 11 on the field. Of your 4 or 5 middies, do any of them play a defensive roll, screening the defense so to speak, but you don’t consider them defenders?? Ok I can live with that if you can ???

Just one thing though .......... why thank the “cheese eaters “ for getting rid of okon???

From my observation over the years Wombats preferred system is to only play one defender. His dog.

But if you’re looking for common ground suggest you move the discussion on to sharing memories about the legend of Hutch.

:innocent:
 
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Forum Phoenix

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Wtf is going on that we can't even keep two local youth products who would be looking at regular game time here?
Because they activated their okon proves a clown clause.

And cuz big city lightz (and splinters) are callin bruz.
Tipping TBT to have grillz by years end and Lachie to start going pogba on his hair every other week.

You act like it’s about playing lots of football or something :rolleyes:
 

Offsider

Well-Known Member
Wtf is going on that we can't even keep two local youth products who would be looking at regular game time here?

Not that I have any info other than what I saw at the end of the season there. Both guys were showing recalcitrant body language more so than the more experienced.

They would both probably have benifited from mm’s coaching but may have thought the beautiful game suited them better.
 

Offsider

Well-Known Member
From my first observation Wombats preferred system is to only play one defender. His dog.

But if you’re looking for common ground suggest you move the discussion on to sharing memories about the legend of Hutch.

:innocent:


I like dogs .......... the more people I meet the more I like mine ......

I get the impression he likes a good verbal stouch as much as I do ........... :headbutt::headbutt:
 

pjennings

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Josh has retired and we have let go 8 (so far) in Glover, Rosebud, Poscoliero, Roux, Bingham, Powell, Skapetis, Buhagiar. 2 are rumoured to be going in DDS and Lachie. It is disappointing to lose some of them, and allowing 'get out clauses' for the players by the club is seriously flawed. But is there anybody there that we will miss in the manner that we missed Maty. Mile, Sainsbury, Hutch or Monty. To my mind the only one that I will really miss is Josh Rose and he will still be around the club. If DDS does leave we may regret it in future, he definitely has potential, but a lot of young players played better football then him this year.

We have lost many better players that have really hurt us - not just those listed. The fact that one local is going and another local is rumoured to go flies in the face of MMM trying to build a community club but fits exactly with his goal to only have players here that want to put in the hard work for the Mariners.

At the end of the day the clearing of the decks gives MMM a great opportunity to mould the team he wants within the constraints he is given. It is obvious that those constraints are not about to change until extra investment comes in (only likely according to MC with an independent HAL). Mike had problems with the Bakries over money in the lead up to their parting of the ways - but he has come here with his eyes open so I do not expect that he will complain and pout when he doesn't get extra money like Okon did in his final months.
 

Gratis

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Josh has retired and we have let go 8 (so far) in Glover, Rosebud, Poscoliero, Roux, Bingham, Powell, Skapetis, Buhagiar. 2 are rumoured to be going in DDS and Lachie. It is disappointing to lose some of them, and allowing 'get out clauses' for the players by the club is seriously flawed. But is there anybody there that we will miss in the manner that we missed Maty. Mile, Sainsbury, Hutch or Monty. To my mind the only one that I will really miss is Josh Rose and he will still be around the club. If DDS does leave we may regret it in future, he definitely has potential, but a lot of young players played better football then him this year.

We have lost many better players that have really hurt us - not just those listed. The fact that one local is going and another local is rumoured to go flies in the face of MMM trying to build a community club but fits exactly with his goal to only have players here that want to put in the hard work for the Mariners.

At the end of the day the clearing of the decks gives MMM a great opportunity to mould the team he wants within the constraints he is given. It is obvious that those constraints are not about to change until extra investment comes in (only likely according to MC with an independent HAL). Mike had problems with the Bakries over money in the lead up to their parting of the ways - but he has come here with his eyes open so I do not expect that he will complain and pout when he doesn't get extra money like Okon did in his final months.
After catching up on reading through all the posts I intended to write something similar.
Firstly, to TBT, DDS and Wales. At their age, with the season going the way it did, I get why they wouldn't be keen to stick it it. They're more than likely wrong but at that age a year is forever and resilience is low. We see better times on the horizon with Mulvey but they clearly can't.
Doesn't mean I like it. Re: Wales and TB - we put the time, money, patience and risk on the field into them. We're their local club. And the truth is neither of them are that good, certainly not A-League starting 11 good. It's still just potential. As others have said if they weren't local I'd say tally ho boys.
Now, honestly, they're looking at a Mitch Austin game time future. TB more so than Wales.

Frankly, I suspect MM has had a look at the situation, seen that these 3 were flaky and said to them commit 150% or you're straight up free to go shopping for clubs and don't come back. You're not that good and if your attitude is poor then far from chasing you, you can go. If that's the case I support it completely. Fight for the club, be part of the CCM spirit, or piss off.

Re: fast players with limited skill - I chatted with Gumps and Patrick Z about this a little while back. Their argument is that youth development suffers due to clubs prioritising results. If they have a player who is fast, or strong because they've shot up before their peers, etc etc, and that player helps score goals, guess what that player gets to do game in game out? Just that. They don't get rotated through other positions to learn new skills, positional awareness or the impacts of different defensive responsibilities. They miss out on further skill aquisition because winning games is too valuable. When their peers eventually catch up in size, strength or speed, or overtake them in skill, then these players get found out as one or two trick ponies. It's unfortunate and not their fault but even those who stay the fastest (for example) eventually reach a level where the average player is better than them, especially in technical skill and reading the game.
 

zohn

New Member
Im glad CCM is giving NPL players a chance to trial. i would be very much pleased if CCM was to sign Elvis Kamsoba. in my opinion he is the one. he would tear up the Aleague with his skill and speed. Another player knocking down the door is Kaine Sheppard, i would not be suprised if he did well versing A league defenders.What more do these players have to do to get a gig, forget about the recycling of player. im sure if another young player or NPL player was to step in they would be more than capable going off the performances of young kids given chance. the only issue is they need to be given that first opportunity.
 

Offsider

Well-Known Member
After catching up on reading through all the posts I intended to write something similar.
Firstly, to TBT, DDS and Wales. At their age, with the season going the way it did, I get why they wouldn't be keen to stick it it. They're more than likely wrong but at that age a year is forever and resilience is low. We see better times on the horizon with Mulvey but they clearly can't.
Doesn't mean I like it. Re: Wales and TB - we put the time, money, patience and risk on the field into them. We're their local club. And the truth is neither of them are that good, certainly not A-League starting 11 good. It's still just potential. As others have said if they weren't local I'd say tally ho boys.
Now, honestly, they're looking at a Mitch Austin game time future. TB more so than Wales.

Frankly, I suspect MM has had a look at the situation, seen that these 3 were flaky and said to them commit 150% or you're straight up free to go shopping for clubs and don't come back. You're not that good and if your attitude is poor then far from chasing you, you can go. If that's the case I support it completely. Fight for the club, be part of the CCM spirit, or piss off.

Re: fast players with limited skill - I chatted with Gumps and Patrick Z about this a little while back. Their argument is that youth development suffers due to clubs prioritising results. If they have a player who is fast, or strong because they've shot up before their peers, etc etc, and that player helps score goals, guess what that player gets to do game in game out? Just that. They don't get rotated through other positions to learn new skills, positional awareness or the impacts of different defensive responsibilities. They miss out on further skill aquisition because winning games is too valuable. When their peers eventually catch up in size, strength or speed, or overtake them in skill, then these players get found out as one or two trick ponies. It's unfortunate and not their fault but even those who stay the fastest (for example) eventually reach a level where the average player is better than them, especially in technical skill and reading the game.


So true ............. how many stars of the aleague ruin chances by having a last touch like a fairy elephant or shoot straight down the throat of the keeper, or worse send the ball into row z .......... troisi, blackwood, kruze, simon, harold come to mind. ( I know wombat ..... kruze does not play in the aleague but he did).

It is the sentiments of this post regarding mm that over rides any disappointment for me.
More wine........
 

Wombat

Well-Known Member
From my observation over the years Wombats preferred system is to only play one defender. His dog.

But if you’re looking for common ground suggest you move the discussion on to sharing memories about the legend of Hutch.

:innocent:

Haha.

I like a rock solid back 4. Rose Dutchy Tesco Pedj for example.

My dog is better than Roux, McGing, Bosnar etc. I'd rather she didn't play BUT she is a fair bit better than some that have donned the yellow.

Hutcho.......now that's just being cheeky FP.
 

Capn Gus Bloodbeard

Well-Known Member
It's good seeing NPL players a chance to trial. Somebody may wish to correct me but I don't see the value in the NYL as a pathway. Don't get me wrong, a good youth development league is important, but I don't see it as the immediate step-up to the HAL. It's just way too slow and lacking in intensity. It's also intended as a referees pathway (at least it initially was, suspect that's not the case now), and I don't see the value there either. Those games would be easy to referee.

I digress.

As to the 'Okon out, I'm out' clauses, it really shows up the difference in what our club degraded to and what MM is trying to achieve, isn't it?
This club was built on players proudly wearing the yellow and navy. Of course not all of them, but a core of them - and it's wonderful to see so many ex-players involved in the community.
To put a clause into a contract stating that the coach is more important than the club, that they're playing for the coach and not the club?
F*** that. To even permit that shows that the club forgot that players have to be passionate about the club. We aren't big spenders so we need that X factor somewhere else. And pride and passion is critical to our success.
And we clearly saw that to be nonexistent this season.
Okon out clauses are absurd. And anybody that wanted that can buggar off. It's the complete opposite of what MM is trying to achieve. He wouldn't allow that. If you being in the club is conditional upon who is coaching you, then you're not in the club enough.
Same as the 'move to the coast, be part of the community or buggar off' approach of MM. Which is awesome.
I know our spend won't improve, but I'm already excited to see what next season brings. And that's all Mike....Mulvey. He's saying all the right things, he seems to understand what made the club great in the past and what the fans and community need.
As for losing the local youngsters - it is, of course, a shame to lose players who could be the posterchild for our pathway. And our youth pathway is so important to the club that it's frustrating to see those investments walking out the door. And I really hope the club has thoroughly discussed with the players why this is happening. Is it CCM? Is it the perception of opportunities? Is it the fact that as youngsters, they want to get off the coast and move to the big smoke? I can understand that - I'm born and bred on the coast and I moved to Melbourne. I hope the club understands what's motivated these moves. I'd love it if they shared with us but understand if they don't. If it's a 'want to get off the coast' thing, probably not much the coast can do about that.
I don't know what can be done to promote players staying with the club that develops them. Does anybody know if there are specific strategies in place in other sports? Of course things like salary cap discounts for X years of youth development wouldn't help our club unless the FFA themselves subsidised it, which won't happen.
But for the last few years, we've depended on players with unrealised potential. And far more often than not, that potential remained unrealised.
Why? Is that coaching? Or is it the players?
We'll never know.
But that's why I'm not going to be too upset about losing any player with 'unrealised potential'. And really, even the players like Wales, DDS, TBT, all fit into that category.
I know it's a catch-22 - that young players with unrealised potential is exactly what we're depending on with MM, and we have no option but to deal with that. So we're kind of replacing unrealised potential with unrealised potential.
But at least MM will bring in players who he believes he can develop - and unlike any other coach we've hard in our dark period, he can do that.
So if he felt that he was able to really develop the players we're letting go, he'd fight to keep them.
So I wonder - the ones that are going - is there a discussion to keep them, or does MM not see a future for them? Similarly, are they saying 'we're going unless we get X and Y, what can you offer?' or are they saying 'we're going, we don't want to play for CCM, there's no conversation to be had'.
If the latter that's a shame....but also means they have no part in what we're trying to build so good riddance. If the former, then I think we can trust that Mike understands players and what he can achieve, so I'm not getting too upset about losing any player who really is yet to prove themselves. It may be they wanted to stay and Mike wanted them to but the other clubs had a better offer. And well, we're stuck with that. So let's see what Mike can find in recruitment.

Of course it's a little frustrating to see that other clubs have started recruiting from other clubs already and we're just signing up some existing players. But I think I, like others, would just love to see some action on that front. We're not seeing signings from all clubs, of course. So it's a bit silly to get bothered by that.
 

Offsider

Well-Known Member
It's good seeing NPL players a chance to trial. Somebody may wish to correct me but I don't see the value in the NYL as a pathway. Don't get me wrong, a good youth development league is important, but I don't see it as the immediate step-up to the HAL. It's just way too slow and lacking in intensity. It's also intended as a referees pathway (at least it initially was, suspect that's not the case now), and I don't see the value there either. Those games would be easy to referee.

I digress.

As to the 'Okon out, I'm out' clauses, it really shows up the difference in what our club degraded to and what MM is trying to achieve, isn't it?
This club was built on players proudly wearing the yellow and navy. Of course not all of them, but a core of them - and it's wonderful to see so many ex-players involved in the community.
To put a clause into a contract stating that the coach is more important than the club, that they're playing for the coach and not the club?
F*** that. To even permit that shows that the club forgot that players have to be passionate about the club. We aren't big spenders so we need that X factor somewhere else. And pride and passion is critical to our success.
And we clearly saw that to be nonexistent this season.
Okon out clauses are absurd. And anybody that wanted that can buggar off. It's the complete opposite of what MM is trying to achieve. He wouldn't allow that. If you being in the club is conditional upon who is coaching you, then you're not in the club enough.
Same as the 'move to the coast, be part of the community or buggar off' approach of MM. Which is awesome.
I know our spend won't improve, but I'm already excited to see what next season brings. And that's all Mike....Mulvey. He's saying all the right things, he seems to understand what made the club great in the past and what the fans and community need.
As for losing the local youngsters - it is, of course, a shame to lose players who could be the posterchild for our pathway. And our youth pathway is so important to the club that it's frustrating to see those investments walking out the door. And I really hope the club has thoroughly discussed with the players why this is happening. Is it CCM? Is it the perception of opportunities? Is it the fact that as youngsters, they want to get off the coast and move to the big smoke? I can understand that - I'm born and bred on the coast and I moved to Melbourne. I hope the club understands what's motivated these moves. I'd love it if they shared with us but understand if they don't. If it's a 'want to get off the coast' thing, probably not much the coast can do about that.
I don't know what can be done to promote players staying with the club that develops them. Does anybody know if there are specific strategies in place in other sports? Of course things like salary cap discounts for X years of youth development wouldn't help our club unless the FFA themselves subsidised it, which won't happen.
But for the last few years, we've depended on players with unrealised potential. And far more often than not, that potential remained unrealised.
Why? Is that coaching? Or is it the players?
We'll never know.
But that's why I'm not going to be too upset about losing any player with 'unrealised potential'. And really, even the players like Wales, DDS, TBT, all fit into that category.
I know it's a catch-22 - that young players with unrealised potential is exactly what we're depending on with MM, and we have no option but to deal with that. So we're kind of replacing unrealised potential with unrealised potential.
But at least MM will bring in players who he believes he can develop - and unlike any other coach we've hard in our dark period, he can do that.
So if he felt that he was able to really develop the players we're letting go, he'd fight to keep them.
So I wonder - the ones that are going - is there a discussion to keep them, or does MM not see a future for them? Similarly, are they saying 'we're going unless we get X and Y, what can you offer?' or are they saying 'we're going, we don't want to play for CCM, there's no conversation to be had'.
If the latter that's a shame....but also means they have no part in what we're trying to build so good riddance. If the former, then I think we can trust that Mike understands players and what he can achieve, so I'm not getting too upset about losing any player who really is yet to prove themselves. It may be they wanted to stay and Mike wanted them to but the other clubs had a better offer. And well, we're stuck with that. So let's see what Mike can find in recruitment.

Of course it's a little frustrating to see that other clubs have started recruiting from other clubs already and we're just signing up some existing players. But I think I, like others, would just love to see some action on that front. We're not seeing signings from all clubs, of course. So it's a bit silly to get bothered by that.


Yes !!! ..............

Young developing players seem to hit a plateau in their developement. Wales and buhagiar both have ceased to develope this season to my mind ......... dds has gone backwards and I thought this season was for okon to reinvent him ....... didn’t happen. I remember the next best thing predicted seven yrs ago for aussie football was kantarovski ......... didn’t happen. Amini, kruze, lechie, the list goes on.......... goodwin, juric all made it ......... to europe and take up space in the lower divisions.
Once they get the money, then comes the fancy hairdo, attitude, their game stalls while they have a life......... it is not in their dna to give up the bling to go for the big league.
Arzani has the world at his feet but already he is strutting round the pitch like a broom handle is stuck in his shorts and the moe ............ kids that young aspiring to look years older ..... grow a moustache. I think joyce is the right coach for him and city the right club. Ccm don’t seem to have that stability or experience anymore but mm might have the way to change that.
 

Ozhammer

Well-Known Member
Im glad CCM is giving NPL players a chance to trial. i would be very much pleased if CCM was to sign Elvis Kamsoba. in my opinion he is the one. he would tear up the Aleague with his skill and speed. Another player knocking down the door is Kaine Sheppard, i would not be suprised if he did well versing A league defenders.What more do these players have to do to get a gig, forget about the recycling of player. im sure if another young player or NPL player was to step in they would be more than capable going off the performances of young kids given chance. the only issue is they need to be given that first opportunity.
I’d renew my membership just to have someone named Elvis in the team... :headbounce:
 

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