Mariners Squad - HAL 14 - 2018- 2019 - The challenge for Mike Mulvey is over

[Ozhammer]

There are some very good players unsigned at the moment (some may have been resigned since i read the article)

Alex Grant
Shane Lowry
Mills
Castro
Galloway
Roy Krishna
Vargas from Scum
Zullo
Wilko (talked about already)
Buijs
Jakobsen
Jamie Young
Maccarone is not the worst
And Victory have some real quality unsigned
Thomas...we need a keeper
Donachie
Leroy George
Roget's Theoharous

I am pretty sure Young has agreed terms with Roar and Krishna with the Nix from that list.

 

[Forum Phoenix]

Apparently we are trialling Dylan Wenzel-Halls. QLD NPL player with Western Pride. scored 36 goals in 26 appearances last year. They finished 3rd in the season and he scored the winner in the Grand Final.

Hometown: Ipswich, Queensland
Pathway:
Brisbane Olympic
Senior Club Career:
2014: Brisbane Olympic
2015: Brisbane Olympic
2016: Brisbane Roar (NYL and NPL)
2017 Western Pride

Individual Achievements:
2017: Western Pride, NPL Queensland Champions

Nice reel. Finishes really well, creative, good speed, shows good awareness and can pick a great pass though the pace of the game is so much slower.

 

[Forum Phoenix]

I'm pretty sure its Clisby and Thwaite who have already agreed terms. I was told more than one anyway. I cant see Cejudo unless we get him cheap to allow him to prove a point.

If this is true, and I hope it is, with Baro, Golec, Rowles and McGing. Will be easily the strongest defence we've had since GA. Still need another attacking RB. But building from the back... I like it. Solid 10 to replace DDS and a couple of quality forwards and we'd be well on our way.

 

[pinklady]

Yep agree it's a big step up, but if he was third string that may be ok. If he took the Bingham role for example.
The interesting part is his bio states he played qld and roar youth system so presumably he is known to MMM.

He was at Roar in 2016 after Mulvey left. Played with Kye Rowles and Joey Champness from the Scum. He scored 3 goals in 19 games - Champness got 4 in 14. Obviously has scored a shitload of goals this year, so he knows where the net is, but 7 of them came in a 15-1 win over Sunshine Coast.
Much more interested in Patrick Antelmi (Sydney United/Wollongong/Blacktown City) who has been trialling well this week along with Blacktown City's Central Coast local Connor Evans. Goalkeeper John Hall (Sydney United/WSW/Adelaide) who I'm not that excited about, has also been trialling.

 

[Forum Phoenix]

Is it just me? Or does Mulvey seem to be moving way faster than our previous 3 coaches?

Like there's a real sense of urgency and I like it.

 

[priorpeter]

Goalkeeper John Hall (Sydney United/WSW/Adelaide) who I'm not that excited about, has also been trialling.

 

[Offsider]

Except none of those make too much sense to me... MM was the Youth coach for GCU for three years and presided over what was essentially a youth squad - albeit an enforced one - even as the first team coach. So he certainly has some history with youth.

But again - these guys aren't looking at the youth programs so probably wouldn't be that interested in what SFC, WSW and Jest can offer up right now, they're looking for adult contracts, that was my point.
I like Trent and Lachie and I rate the potential of both of them - but I don't see either getting even close to the level of game time we've given them, at any of those clubs... SFC they'd be competing with the likes of Anthony Kalik (another promising youth who hasn't had much game time but would probably be prioritised if the loan is still on), Ninkovic, Mierzejewski, Carney, o'Neill and MattyS.... Actually, this is going to take a while so I'll leave it at that list... But do you see either of those boys even making the bench in a team like that... Or in place of a Petratos or Vargas or Royo?
Short of perhaps somewhere like Phoenix or Perff they'd be looking at bench-time at best and NYL-team action at worst.

Yes I see your point with trent and wales ............. but my main worry is attracting the refill players to the youth system which ccm had been virtually the main attraction.

Do you see ccm still providing the best pathway ???

 

[nebakke]

Yes I see your point with trent and wales ............. but my main worry is attracting the refill players to the youth system which ccm had been virtually the main attraction.

Do you see ccm still providing the best pathway ???

That's a fair concern I think but... I'm not sure if I see ours as the best pathway but I certainly don't think it provides the shittiest option either. I won't pretend that I know a whole lot about the youth/academy options currently, but at this point I think at worst we're fairly on-par... Where we lack is perhaps in sexiness right now, compared to some of the other teams, but the academy side has been doing alright and it has given players the opportunity to come into the A-league side that's not a bad flow.
If a young player with promise was given the option of choosing between any of the sides at will, they probably wouldn't chose us, no... But how many of those players are there? Competition for spots in those sides is tough and I'm not sure getting first-choice makes the difference we would like to think... It's a nice benefit to have but it's hardly going to be where you spot the difference between Messi and Macca...

On top of that is the loyalty thing, especially in youth... If you're a young kid and you're offered a spot in the Real Madrid academy, vs at say, Sc**thorpe... You're probably going to have starry eyes and pick Real because - imagine if you make it!?
But Sc**thorpe is probably significantly more likely to give you the opportunity as a first-team player eventually... Being the first choice doesn't always mean getting the best end-product, although it'd be preferable to get back to being both

 

[Gratis]

That's a fair concern I think but... I'm not sure if I see ours as the best pathway but I certainly don't think it provides the shittiest option either. I won't pretend that I know a whole lot about the youth/academy options currently, but at this point I think at worst we're fairly on-par... Where we lack is perhaps in sexiness right now, compared to some of the other teams, but the academy side has been doing alright and it has given players the opportunity to come into the A-league side that's not a bad flow.
If a young player with promise was given the option of choosing between any of the sides at will, they probably wouldn't chose us, no... But how many of those players are there? Competition for spots in those sides is tough and I'm not sure getting first-choice makes the difference we would like to think... It's a nice benefit to have but it's hardly going to be where you spot the difference between Messi and Macca...

On top of that is the loyalty thing, especially in youth... If you're a young kid and you're offered a spot in the Real Madrid academy, vs at say, Sc**thorpe... You're probably going to have starry eyes and pick Real because - imagine if you make it!?
But Sc**thorpe is probably significantly more likely to give you the opportunity as a first-team player eventually... Being the first choice doesn't always mean getting the best end-product, although it'd be preferable to get back to being both

I agree that playing time trumps club (within reason clearly)
See Amini v Rogic for number 10 spot in NT
I realise there are many more factors, but sitting on a bench doesn't gain you experience or attention.
Trenty would do better getting first team A-League game time with the Mariners than no-league, no-time at Syd (yes, yes, youth team and all. Still.)

 

[nebakke]

I agree that playing time trumps club (within reason clearly)
See Amini v Rogic for number 10 spot in NT
I realise there are many more factors, but sitting on a bench doesn't gain you experience or attention.
Trenty would do better getting first team A-League game time with the Mariners than no-league, no-time at Syd (yes, yes, youth team and all. Still.)

Oh definitely... And I have to admit, it seems somewhat inconceivable, that someone with even an ounce of competitiveness, would even consider going back to playing NYL... Even with a better winger potentially in our side, he's still at the very least on the bench and likely to get some substitution time...
Anyway - I can't claim to understand teenagers, so who am I to judge?

 

[localpom]

If this is true, and I hope it is, with Baro, Golec, Rowles and McGing. Will be easily the strongest defence we've had since GA. Still need another attacking RB. But building from the back... I like it. Solid 10 to replace DDS and a couple of quality forwards and we'd be well on our way.

Good teams are built on the back of a strong defence. Agree we will the strongest defence for many a year if we snag Clisby and Thwaite. Assuming Wout and Tommy stay that's a decent defensive team and not much else we need apart from a RB.

 

[Forum Phoenix]

Re attracting youth...

The thing is though, no team offering a young player a contract says look you won’t get game time here but sign with us anyway. They will say we are committed to youth. Trott out a couple of examples. Because everyone has them. And then say work hard and you will get your opportunities. Take those opportunities and the rest will be history...

And most any young players will believe they can.

So our pitch is, ‘yeah but come on, more potential game time with us’ meanwhile the player is thinking yeah but everyone says you’re a penniless mess and you just spooned again. I think our pitch probably falls short of any other HAL clubs if competing for the same talent.

But clubs miss and pass on great players. And if your coach has a pre existing relationship... and is a great talker... (Mulvey will help here I think) I’m sure we’ll still sign a few quality youth players. There’s just not that many spots out there to fill in HAL.

But these are unlikely to be the players to get us back to form as I don’t see the next Rogic or Amini choosing us right now. But the next Mile whose been overlooked may,

 

[shipwreck]

Re attracting youth...

The thing is though, no team offering a young player a contract says look you won’t get game time here but sign with us anyway. They will say we are committed to youth. Trott out a couple of examples. Because everyone has them. And then say work hard and you will get your opportunities. Take those opportunities and the red will be history...

And most any young players will believe they can.

So our pitch is, ‘yeah but come on, more potential game time with us’ meanwhile the player is thinking yeah but everyone says you’re a penniless mess and you just spooned again. I think our pitch probably falls short of any other HAL clubs if competing for the same talent.

But clubs miss and pass on great players. And if your coach has a pre existing relationship... and is a great talker... (Mulvey will help here I think) I’m sure we’ll still sign a few quality youth players. There’s just not that many spots out there to fill in HAL.

But these are unlikely to be the players to get us back to form as I don’t see the next Rogic or Amini choosing us right now. But the next Mile whose been overlooked may,

Great post, Mile is the type of player we would do well to find again

 

[Insertnamehere]

wasn't it the last time we won an FFA Cup game?

Check mate. Dammit!

 

[nebakke]

Re attracting youth...

The thing is though, no team offering a young player a contract says look you won’t get game time here but sign with us anyway. They will say we are committed to youth. Trott out a couple of examples. Because everyone has them. And then say work hard and you will get your opportunities. Take those opportunities and the red will be history...

And most any young players will believe they can.

So our pitch is, ‘yeah but come on, more potential game time with us’ meanwhile the player is thinking yeah but everyone says you’re a penniless mess and you just spooned again. I think our pitch probably falls short of any other HAL clubs if competing for the same talent.

But clubs miss and pass on great players. And if your coach has a pre existing relationship... and is a great talker... (Mulvey will help here I think) I’m sure we’ll still sign a few quality youth players. There’s just not that many spots out there to fill in HAL.

But these are unlikely to be the players to get us back to form as I don’t see the next Rogic or Amini choosing us right now. But the next Mile whose been overlooked may,

You're not wrong mate - and I know it's not what happens, but for mine this is where a decent agent should be advising the players better, in spite of their own potential feelings about our club... Not for our sake but for the sake of Australian football... The concern is "how many players never make it because everyone's telling them that they're right to pick the big club where they never get game time because they are potentially in a bigger shopping window"...

 

[Forum Phoenix]

You're not wrong mate - and I know it's not what happens, but for mine this is where a decent agent should be advising the players better, in spite of their own potential feelings about our club... Not for our sake but for the sake of Australian football... The concern is "how many players never make it because everyone's telling them that they're right to pick the big club where they never get game time because they are potentially in a bigger shopping window"...

Totally agree. However given our massive contribution to Australian footballl has been over looked by most pundits and the FFA, I’m not even slightly optimistic about agents bearing it in mind. And to be fair, there is a case to be made that playing ‘more’ in a side that finishes last will not enhance your career prospects.

If the FFA had vision, (lol) they would be heavily incentivising youth development and rewarding clubs with bonuses whose young players go on to represent the Socceroos and earn a sufficient number of caps.

I don’t think they give two hoots. But gee it would be good for Australian football.

 

[Josho Howe]

Not heard much of Patrick Antelmi other than he's decent. John Hall please. Ben Kennedy mold. A career destined to always be no.2

 

[Ozhammer]

If this is true, and I hope it is, with Baro, Golec, Rowles and McGing. Will be easily the strongest defence we've had since GA. Still need another attacking RB. But building from the back... I like it. Solid 10 to replace DDS and a couple of quality forwards and we'd be well on our way.

Too many CB’s for mine, when we are crying out for left and right FB’s.

 

[Ozhammer]

You're not wrong mate - and I know it's not what happens, but for mine this is where a decent agent should be advising the players better, in spite of their own potential feelings about our club...

And there’s the flaw in your argument, you put decent and agent in the same sentence

 

[localpom]

Too many CB’s for mine, when we are crying out for left and right FB’s.

Rowles, Golec, and Clisby can play LB. RB yes, we don't have a single one.