Mariners Squad - HAL 12 - 2016 - 2017

[FFC Mariner]

Gives credence to the 5 games rumour.

You ignore views you disagree with and you decide for yourself that things are indefensible when others may disagree.

Charlesworth has just made Fraudsley the scapegoat for a poor start.

Covering his own arse. Class act isn't he?

 

[style_cafe]

One would think, in the real world, that after half a dozen games Walmsley`s fate for the rest of the season would be sorted.
If we don`t start the season well, I wouldn`t see it improving too much.
As much as it goes against what I`ve always believed in, after the disaster of last season, if we`re not mid table with a marked improvement then Walmsley should be moved on.

The pre-season will be interesting to watch, as much for the changes as for the improvement.

I seriously think we should be giving the flick to trial games against anyone other A- league clubs.
Playing weak opposition will do nothing for us.

Also we need as many trial games as possible here on the coast either at Pluim or CCS.
Last year we had nothing, there was no buildup & no momentum going into the competition.
I couldn`t even identify the players for a few rounds as I didn`t know what they looked like.

 

[Big Al]

It does sound amateurish but you would have to think they have found someone better????????

Or cheaper

 

[Big Al]

Dear Tony,

Can you please tell us what you saw of Ivan Necesvki that impressed you last season, to justify your signing of him ???

Considering,
Ivan NECESVKI played a Grand Total of:
Zero mins, in Zero games
Over a possible 28 rounds.

Whereas an alternative option was,
Ante COVIC who played:
2,520 mins, in EVERY FCKN GAME (28) last season !!!!
On top of ALL of Perth Glory’s FFA Cup games right through to the Final vs Melb.Victory.

So seeing Necesvki played didn't play a single minute, was there some unbelievable, 'freaky-arse' saves he pulled off at the x3 half-time warm ups that caught your eye @ CCS when walking back out to the pitch after having your cup of tea ???

Mate, after the shit-house season you just offered up, your a bloke who is in desperate need of a quality, experienced & reliable GK that can bring about stability to a back third thats basically shell-shocked.

A 40 year old Covic ticks ALL THOSE BOXES.

Ante was desperate to move back to Syd to be united full-time with his wife and kids & is a player stating he's wanting to continue playing & would've (imo) been prepared to play for the $$$'s you're now going to pay a 36 year old Ivan Necesvki.

Stupid - Stupid signing.

You didn't read the announcement Rowdy. He played against Tottenham so nothing else matters oh and his mates with Nash enough said

 

[Rowdy]

"However, we do have to get results ... that's for sure. In doing that we won't be playing dull football, I can assure you.

"What we will not be doing is going back to a stifling defensive style of football (which Charlesworth believes was perpetrated by former coach Phil Moss) because, in the long run, that would have a detrimental effect.

And therein lies the Number #1 problem our club faces, hands down !

An owner who with no experience, other than property development and a Telco phone-sex business, IS Dictating what style of football and tactics the coach should be playing.

If a coach is directed to play an 'xyz' style, despite not having the player's to execute 'xyz', the plan is ultimately one for failure.
Last season proved that.

I believe a coach should utilise the players best attributes and the style/tactics are then determined by & should be conducive to the attributes of the team 'as a whole'.

There's also nothing wrong with a coach imparting his own philosphy on a team, like what Postecoglou did at Brisb, MV and now with the NT.

The only difference with that scenario is that Ange,
- kept the players that would suit his system,
- also those that could learn that system and sacked those that couldn't or wouldn't adapt/develop.

Additionally and crucially, he was allowed to purchase player's that excelled at his style/system of play.

And therein lies the, oft repeated - 2nd biggest problem our club faces. Underspend!

Sure, give TW a budget - I can live with that BUT Charlseworth, pleeease, stay the fcuk out of the kitchen- spice racking, knob turning and the general stirring of pots.

Take your rightful place at the head of the dinner table, along with the rest of us.

 

[Rowdy]

I seriously think we should be giving the flick to trial games against anyone other A- league clubs.
Playing weak opposition will do nothing for us.

Most definitely, Dan Heffernan (on trial) during last pre-season was 'bang'n-in' the goals that ultimately lead to him being offered an A-League contract.
- Impressing against State League teams certainly helped him and the rest of our season, didnt it indeed!

Also we need as many trial games as possible here on the coast either at Pluim or CCS.
Last year we had nothing, there was no buildup & no momentum going into the competition.

THIS ! ⬆⬆⬆⬆
Especially to re-engage disenchanted fans thinking of jumping ship.

 

[Gratis]

The purpose of MC's comments are easy to discern - it's simply to play to the section of the fanbase that blame the coach entirely for the season

 

[Gratis]

My sources are telling me Necevski is an excellent keeper and an all round good guy

Hopefully he pushes for a spot and dominates after all

 

[Rowdy]

FFA floats 'league-wide marquee' idea:

Fernando Torres and Tim Cahill are just a couple of names that could be targeted under a potential third marquee slot, as Football Federation Australia looks to grow the A-League's star profile.

Fox Sports reports that at a meeting with A-League clubs in Melbourne, the possibility of a third marquee option has been suggested.

The third marquee - a 'league-wide' marquee - was discussed as an option where a third player, who would add a significant profile boost to the league and ticket sales competition wide could be signed.

The idea stems from the success that the A-League enjoyed as a whole when Alessandro Del Piero joined Sydney in 2012 and provides an insurance for clubs who don't wish to risk a potentially older, injury prone player in the pre-existing marquee positions.

Furthermore, the option allows for the A-League to bulk up in marketing dollars and exposure ahead of the next round of lucrative TV talks for the league.

It is unknown when or if the details 'league-wide' marquee will be finalised.

Read more at http://www.fourfourtwo.com/au/news/ffa-floats-league-wide-marquee-idea#1hgwIITR0zSwUuKj.99

 

[Forum Phoenix]

And therein lies the Number #1 problem our club faces, hands down !

An owner who with no experience, other than property development and a Telco phone-sex business, IS Dictating what style of football and tactics the coach should be playing.

If a coach is directed to play an 'xyz' style, despite not having the player's to execute 'xyz', the plan is ultimately one for failure.
Last season proved that.

I believe a coach should utilise the players best attributes and the style/tactics are then determined by & should be conducive to the attributes of the team 'as a whole'.

There's also nothing wrong with a coach imparting his own philosphy on a team, like what Postecoglou did at Brisb, MV and now with the NT.

The only difference with that scenario is that Ange,
- kept the players that would suit his system,
- also those that could learn that system and sacked those that couldn't or wouldn't adapt/develop.

Additionally and crucially, he was allowed to purchase player's that excelled at his style/system of play.

And therein lies the, oft repeated - 2nd biggest problem our club faces. Underspend!

Sure, give TW a budget - I can live with that BUT Charlseworth, pleeease, stay the fcuk out of the kitchen- spice racking, knob turning and the general stirring of pots.

Take your rightful place at the head of the dinner table, along with the rest of us.

Can't argue with any of that. Great post.

 

[Rowdy]

Fck'n Great ! We're already winning in the 'povo' stakes & this just enables the richer clubs to gain an even greater advantage over our shilling and pence masterplan.

The idea .... provides an insurance for clubs who don't wish to risk a potentially older, injury prone player in the pre-existing marquee positions.

The insurance only works if you've already signed an International Marquee and/or Australian Marquee, neither of which we have.

So the likes of Melb Victory, City or Syd can now have a Tim Cahill (AM) lining up next to Besart Berisha (IM) +plus a Francesco Totti, Stevie Gerrard, Ryan Giggs etc. as their 3rd (IM).

Meanwhile the poor old Mariners have jack shit & would need a new owner to compete with that scenario.

 

[Timmah]

We got Garcia...

 

[Rowdy]

We got Garcia...

This season ! the above point/rule change is about the coming season.

The likelihood of us signing an Int.Marquee (like Garcia) this season is extremely 'Lotto Land' doubtful.

If we did, then also signing an Aust.Marquee as well would be 'Powerball Mega Jackpot' doubtful.
- more likely one or the other NOT Int.M & Aust.M together.

And as for CCM utillising this new 3rd International "B.O.S" (bums on seats) Marquee ............

 

[Timmah]

But boy if we did...


it's goin straight to the pool room

 

[pjennings]

I just want to know

1) if anyone else is leaving - strong rumours of Austin, murmurs of Fabio
2) will Fabio and Monty still be Visa players - they have/will have the residency by the start of the season.
3) can we sign Everton youngsters or will we be blocked again.
4) would the FFA stump up money for a Mariners marquee from their $10 million fund.

At the moment we have 22 players including 3 keepers, we are a short a CB, have no real #10 and at my guess are $200,000 short of the salary floor. I think the club needs clarity on the questions above before the final spots are decided.

I know Holman is not everyone's cup of tea but he is the type of player (running around like a headless chook harassing defenders) that would support Roy. He is still only 32, open to coming back to the HAL and has scored more goals at the World Cup finals for Australia than anyone but Timmy. He can play as a #10, stiker, second striker, LW and RW. He also should fit the up to $500,000 - $1million help from the FFA. The problem then is what would he be looking for, how much the FFA would actually stump up and how would we fund the difference.

 

[Rowdy]

I know Holman is not everyone's cup of tea but he is the type of player (running around like a headless chook harassing defenders) that would support Roy.

Milk with no sugar, yes please!

I think he's a hell'uva lot more than a headless chook, I know you do too PJ.

He reads sides playing out from the back very well, and that enables him to intercept a lot of balls when he's sitting in behind a striker and or working with one.
Indeed would compliment Roy very well, especially in his high energy work rate.

Knows how to find space between the lines and just as importantly can play others into space with some clever passes.

As PJ said, has a proven record for finding the back of the net & at 32, I think could easily play for 3 maybe 4 more seasons in the A-League.

Sign him up, now !

 

[Manny_ccm]

This season ! the above point/rule change is about the coming season.

The likelihood of us signing an Int.Marquee (like Garcia) this season is extremely 'Lotto Land' doubtful.

If we did, then also signing an Aust.Marquee as well would be 'Powerball Mega Jackpot' doubtful.
- more likely one or the other NOT Int.M & Aust.M together.

And as for CCM utillising this new 3rd International "B.O.S" (bums on seats) Marquee ............

No longer a distinction between International and Australian marquee in the A-League - there are now just up to 2 marquee spots per team regardless of country of origin

 

[greenlig]

Well shit.

Austin set to leave Mariners
Forward Mitch Austin has asked for a release from the Central Coast Mariners and is set to depart the A-League club.

FourFourTwo understands that there are up to five A-League clubs interested in signing the young attacker, who is still under contract to the Mariners next season.

They include Melbourne City, Adelaide United, Newcastle Jets, Western Sydney and Melbourne Victory.

A player swap has been mooted with another A-League club to allow Austin to leave Central Coast Stadium.

The 25-year old, who joined the Mariners in 2015, scored five goals in 23 appearances last season.

The forward and his management were unavailable for comment when contacted by FourFourTwo.

Central Coast coach Tony Walmsley did not return calls.

It is understood Austin, who was a junior with Rotherham United in the UK, believes he has a better chance to develop as a player away from the Mariners.

http://www.fourfourtwo.com/au/news/austin-set-leave-mariners

 

[MagpieMariner]

He must not be allowed to go for free.

 

[Capt. Awesome]

Well shit.

Austin set to leave Mariners
Forward Mitch Austin has asked for a release from the Central Coast Mariners and is set to depart the A-League club.

FourFourTwo understands that there are up to five A-League clubs interested in signing the young attacker, who is still under contract to the Mariners next season.

They include Melbourne City, Adelaide United, Newcastle Jets, Western Sydney and Melbourne Victory.

A player swap has been mooted with another A-League club to allow Austin to leave Central Coast Stadium.

The 25-year old, who joined the Mariners in 2015, scored five goals in 23 appearances last season.

The forward and his management were unavailable for comment when contacted by FourFourTwo.

Central Coast coach Tony Walmsley did not return calls.

It is understood Austin, who was a junior with Rotherham United in the UK, believes he has a better chance to develop as a player away from the Mariners.

http://www.fourfourtwo.com/au/news/austin-set-leave-mariners

The Mariners need to stick to their guns and keep him here. Even if he stays on the bench, the Mariners need to get it out of the players heads they can just walk out of a contract. His career was floundering back in the UK and Walmsley threw him a lifeline. He should have enough respect to honour a contract. I hope we find a swap for him though as he has a very poor work ethic and doesn't seem to fit the Mariners culture. For me he is a one trick pony. Has speed and a decent left foot cross but has shit foot work and ability to keep the ball.

He will only suit a team that is based around the counter attack. He cannot adopt to a possession based game.