Mariners Squad - HAL 12 - 2016 - 2017

[JoyfulPenguin]

Not completely sure why Bradley McDonald was given a deal until next season. He didn't look up to standard in his game time and surely either a foreigner or at least waiting and having a look who the A-league clubs release would have been worth it. It's not like we are vying for his contact with anyone else.

 

[Coach]

I thought I could bring some reality to this conversation and show how hard this is to manage. In reality we are not in a position to add many more to the squad for 16/17. Whilst we can fantasize about many new players, it is imperative that we select those that we REALLY NEED here’s why;


Some conditions first;

Assumes Kalic is gone

Storrie said we would operate at the cap floor

Loyalty Based Player/s can be up to $200,000 outside the cap

Home Grown Players - Max 3 @ total $200,000 outside the cap

Salary Cap $2.55M

Cap Floor is 90% = $2,290,000

Squad size Min = 20, Max 26

3 players must be under 20 yrs of age (not hard for us lol)


Ok here goes

We currently have 18 players contracted 16/17 (list below, inc. Faty)

• JRose for argument sake is allocated $200k outside the cap as a loyalty player (only he and Monty qualify, I think Storm & Neill will next season, a few more will if NYL counts).
  
  
• Arbitrarily LRose, Bingham and Buhgier are our 3 Home Grown talents consuming the $200K outside the cap
  

This leaves 14 players that contribute to the 16/17 cap currently contracted, they are;


Storm, Neill, Posco, Ashcroft, McGing, Monty, Fab, Austin, O’Donovon, Howad-Belle, McDonald, Izzo, Fletcher, Faty


I will have a throw at the stumps and say that these 14 cost us approx. $1.8M under the cap (please I’m not keen to argue this it will be ball park). This leaves approx. $490k remaining ($2.29M-$1.8M).


The interesting bit - from above we have approx. $490K left and we need 3-4 quality players!!!!!!! Now if we add $127,000 Salary Cap Banked from 2015/16 it is still only $617K.


Ok, so Wilkinson will hopefully take $300K, we still need at least 2 players (squad to 21) with $317K remaining. I guess they may decide to spend closer to the cap which could increase this amount a bit.


I think the reality is someone needs to go from the 14 above. I suggest that if a Senior Goal Keeper came in (i.e. Covic) then Izzo would leave freeing up say $100k. Sadly I wonder whether the $200k loyalty amount outside the cap allocated to Josh Rose & Monty above may see Rose in the spot light. If we bring in another Centre Back plus a Central hardnosed screening midfielder then Ashcroft and McGing would struggle to get a run but we need then for significant injury cover.


The only other addition I can see is a guest or marquee player outside the cap. If so I suggest they would go for an out and out goal scorer.


My view is get Covic and Wilkinson and stretch costs as far we can to get them. Covic, Faty and Wilkinson will add the leadership we need, whilst at the same time, ensuring the young blokes understand their responsibilities on the field. Further, in defence they will mentor Posco, Storm and Neill, help Monty and therefore allow Liam Rose grow under direction. I also think they will hold Austin & Fab to account for their defensive contributions (or lack thereof). Finally if we have something like $150k left I would spend it on an attacking midfielder from overseas with experience looking for a start i.e. sort of a money ball player. Sorry Wombat we can't afford or need Fullbacks, we need to develop the ones we have.

Sorry to be so long winded but hope this helps

 

[JoyfulPenguin]

Where are our foreigners at now.

Do we have room for another? Taveras or a #10.

Does that mean any Everton players would have to be Aussie?

We have anywhere between 3 and 1 visa spot(s) because I don't know if Fabio, Monty and Storm have become Australian citizens. They've all spent enough time in Australia to get it though.

 

[pjennings]

Storm does not take a visa spot.

 

[pjennings]

Coach - I know you don't won't to argue on you sums - just one minor correction. The cap is now $2.6mill so 90% is $2.34 million.

 

[LaRass]

Does Brad McDonald take up a visa spot too?

 

[sydmariner]

Does Brad McDonald take up a visa spot too?

No he doesn't.

 

[Luca Brasi]

I thought I could bring some reality to this conversation and show how hard this is to manage.

Coach, when Storrie says we are going to spend the salary cap floor again, I was under the impression he meant $2.34m total, not including the cap exemptions. If that is the case then there is bugger all left for the 3 - 4 other experienced players he has referred to.

 

[Luca Brasi]

As far as I am aware Roy, Monty and Fabio are all visa players.

 

[pjennings]

Coach, when Storrie says we are going to spend the salary cap floor again, I was under the impression he meant $2.34m total, not including the cap exemptions. If that is the case then there is bugger all left for the 3 - 4 other experienced players he has referred to.

Going back to Coach's post I have a cost estimate of the current squad of the current including Faty and Kalik as $1,750,000. If we do buy an 'A League level keeper' then we must offload (loan to Everton) one of THB or Izzo. That would save as a minimum $55,000 so we are back to $1,695,000. Salary floor is $2,340,000. So we therefore have $645,000 for further recruiting.

Given the quoted figure of $300,000 for Wilko then we $345,000 for a GK, HM and CAM. Of course Wilko could be considered as a marquee (and could be funded by a third party) in which case the $645,000 could be used for the GK, HM and CAM plus maybe Trent and Jake Adelson.

 

[Wombat]

I can believe the the ex-Mariners fok would only have good things to say about the club - even if they were disappointed with their exits. Arnie let's remember was kindly let out of a 3 year contract to pursue greater heights. These guys have all had good times, good friends and good success at the club and maybe being let go at the end is the only bad thing they could really say

Agree.
Very few get shafted by us.
It's usually the other way.
Simon was probably treated badly but he may have been on silly money.

 

[Wombat]

If we did get Wilko (still a big IF but looking encouraging) - would he go to Vice Captain until Monty retires?

Of course.
Wilco is neither a big head or a big mouth.
Solid man and solid player.
Perfect fit for us.

 

[Wombat]

I thought I could bring some reality to this conversation and show how hard this is to manage. In reality we are not in a position to add many more to the squad for 16/17. Whilst we can fantasize about many new players, it is imperative that we select those that we REALLY NEED here’s why;


Some conditions first;

Assumes Kalic is gone

Storrie said we would operate at the cap floor

Loyalty Based Player/s can be up to $200,000 outside the cap

Home Grown Players - Max 3 @ total $200,000 outside the cap

Salary Cap $2.55M

Cap Floor is 90% = $2,290,000

Squad size Min = 20, Max 26

3 players must be under 20 yrs of age (not hard for us lol)


Ok here goes

We currently have 18 players contracted 16/17 (list below, inc. Faty)

• JRose for argument sake is allocated $200k outside the cap as a loyalty player (only he and Monty qualify, I think Storm & Neill will next season, a few more will if NYL counts).
  
  
• Arbitrarily LRose, Bingham and Buhgier are our 3 Home Grown talents consuming the $200K outside the cap

This leaves 14 players that contribute to the 16/17 cap currently contracted, they are;


Storm, Neill, Posco, Ashcroft, McGing, Monty, Fab, Austin, O’Donovon, Howad-Belle, McDonald, Izzo, Fletcher, Faty


I will have a throw at the stumps and say that these 14 cost us approx. $1.8M under the cap (please I’m not keen to argue this it will be ball park). This leaves approx. $490k remaining ($2.29M-$1.8M).


The interesting bit - from above we have approx. $490K left and we need 3-4 quality players!!!!!!! Now if we add $127,000 Salary Cap Banked from 2015/16 it is still only $617K.


Ok, so Wilkinson will hopefully take $300K, we still need at least 2 players (squad to 21) with $317K remaining. I guess they may decide to spend closer to the cap which could increase this amount a bit.


I think the reality is someone needs to go from the 14 above. I suggest that if a Senior Goal Keeper came in (i.e. Covic) then Izzo would leave freeing up say $100k. Sadly I wonder whether the $200k loyalty amount outside the cap allocated to Josh Rose & Monty above may see Rose in the spot light. If we bring in another Centre Back plus a Central hardnosed screening midfielder then Ashcroft and McGing would struggle to get a run but we need then for significant injury cover.


The only other addition I can see is a guest or marquee player outside the cap. If so I suggest they would go for an out and out goal scorer.


My view is get Covic and Wilkinson and stretch costs as far we can to get them. Covic, Faty and Wilkinson will add the leadership we need, whilst at the same time, ensuring the young blokes understand their responsibilities on the field. Further, in defence they will mentor Posco, Storm and Neill, help Monty and therefore allow Liam Rose grow under direction. I also think they will hold Austin & Fab to account for their defensive contributions (or lack thereof). Finally if we have something like $150k left I would spend it on an attacking midfielder from overseas with experience looking for a start i.e. sort of a money ball player. Sorry Wombat we can't afford or need Fullbacks, we need to develop the ones we have.

Sorry to be so long winded but hope this helps

Great post.
I'm loving this forum right now.

 

[true believer]

Great post.
I'm loving this forum right now.

the faty signing a few days after Saturday's debacle . is the sort of intent
punters needed to see .

 

[Rowdy]

If we did get Wilko (still a big IF but looking encouraging) - would he go to Vice Captain until Monty retires?

I actually think after the year that Monty's been through with the team, the stresses that naturally stem from an Annus Horribillis - have had some affect on Monty's individual performances, I noticed them starting to occur around the last 3rd of the season. I think maybe it could benefit both him and the Team to take the 2IC role.

He still captained well, constantly talking the talk and leading by example on the pitch.

But his error counts were starting to creep up, especially the unforced ones and he picked up a few knocks that kept him out for a few games as well.

He looked tired and drained and was just darn relieved that it was all over after the Scummer's hiding.

If we do manage to snare Wilko & I were TW, I'd sit down and have the chat with Monty that letting Wilko take back the arm-band could relieve him of some of the burden that he shouldered this year and leave him to focus on his individual game and those defensive responsibilities on the pitch as opposed to being responsible for everything on & off the pitch.

As a Vice Capt. he'd still be a major figurehead, sharing the load with other's in the leadership group like Rosey and a Vuka or Covic & now Faty.

Wilko re-instated back to Captain also will send a psychological message to punters and members of a furthering in 'the change' of the clubs direction and mentality from this bad season.

Wilko can help to restablish the 'Mariners Club Culture' that is of the underdog that punched above its weight, et al - The McKinna era, one were 'nobody rates us & we dont care !'.

With the negative publicity that surrounded phonegate & subsequent player departures, Wilko as Capt. signals a fresh start/ a re-boot & can help get that locker room culture back to what it should always BE ......... that we are fighters, with a never say die ethos.

Its what's won
a Pre-Season Cup,
x2 Premier's Plate
and a Championship.

"History never can always repeat, we should be telling ourselves that before we go to sleep."

hum hummmmm
- hum hum ...... hum hum .......hum hum.

 

[Kareem]

Might be a nice extra as part of our offer...the return of our captain and leader

Could have some appeal...

 

[Wombat]

Neither are natural captains.
Monty earned it but being the only decent player at the time.
Wilko doesn't warrant the arm band IMHO.
Both are leaders by example rather than by word.

 

[Big Al]

http://www.smh.com.au/sport/soccer/...-sydney-fc-exodus-begins-20160411-go3dxh.html

The Mariners have ample salary cap space and will pursue Faty's cousin, Mickael Tavares, who is under contract at Sydney but will be allowed to join the Gosford-based club next season if personal terms can be agreed.

 

[Atomic]

Neither are natural captains.
Monty earned it but being the only decent player at the time.
Wilko doesn't warrant the arm band IMHO.
Both are leaders by example rather than by word.

Agree with that. Monty strikes me as a do'er, not a leader. Wilko strikes me as being Mr Nice Guy. Having said that, I was opposed to giving Wilko the arm band first time around, but he definitely proved me wrong. I thought he was an outstanding captain and to this day, the loudest one we have ever had.

 

[Coach]

Coach, when Storrie says we are going to spend the salary cap floor again, I was under the impression he meant $2.34m total, not including the cap exemptions. If that is the case then there is bugger all left for the 3 - 4 other experienced players he has referred to.

Hi Luca , thanks, he actually said we would be at the Salary Cap Floor again, as we have players outside the cap this year I assumed it would continue next year. If not then I agree with you we will have bugger all left - not happy in that case.