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Mariners Squad - HAL 12 - 2016 - 2017

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Big Al

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Reports Geria, Risdon and Grant could all go overseas now or end of season.

RB's be in demand now.

This would signal why Perth want Roux back. He will have options if we don't pony up for what ever he is looking for.

Pain is signed for next year so won't be loosing him
 
priorpeter

priorpeter

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shipwreck said:
Heard whispers of the Everton partnership coming to fruition too, could be someone from there, ties in with Monty citizenship also.
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Not yet. Still can't bring in visa players under the age of 20. FFA has apparently agreed to change this, however it's not yet ratified.
 
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Coach

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AL, agree, we have developed many of these youngsters into aleague standard players with potential for more improvement. After doing the hard yards we need to keep them as we can't afford to replace them.
 
MagpieMariner

MagpieMariner

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Pirate Pete said:
Didn't stop us signing Reddy.
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Reddy gave us something we badly needed at the time and in spite of his dickheadedness is a class player.
Bridge was a class player (my teeth grind so much having to say that) but I'm not sure he still is and he's not something we badly need at this time. Signing Bridge would feel like signing Sackwacker.
 
pjennings

pjennings

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This is not an attack on Izzo - rather an area that he could improve on. He has come along incredibly this season after what must have been a horrible last season for him and he deserves enormous credit for having the grit and steel to come back so well.

Reddy was always the wrong player. We never replaced Ryan and in some ways we still haven't. Izzo is playing well but compare him to Thomas in the game against Victory. When Izzo made a save he slowed down played, the defence got set and we usually played out short from the back. Thomas made the save and immediately released - either short or long, but always to a Victory player and we were scrambling to stop a quick counter. That's what Maty did - and that is what we didn't replace.

Reddy - because of his poor distribution - exacerbated by an inexperienced defence meant that he had to show his prowess as a shot-stopper (which is admittedly pretty good). However, the extra pressure always told and we were invariably punished. Under Okon our playing out from the back is more assured. If Izzo could just speed up the distribution to allow our fast players to break before the defence is set we could be really dangerous.
 
Wombat

Wombat

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Reddy was a great keeper. Sadly he was usually the best player in a woeful team. His distribution was nowhere near Maty's but his shot stopping was the equal.
Sadly, he is a cockhead and the egotistical personality is no good as a small club like ours.
I think it is wrong to blame a keeper for the ineptitude of the outfield players in front of him.
 
nebakke

nebakke

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I think Izzo and Neill tend to have a similar problem with the distribution here - although Neill's is from the throw-ins... But you watch both of their mimicry when they are in a position to start movement again, they get frustrated because there's very little happening in-field to clear up some space to get the ball to someone... The boys have gotten much much better at moving for each other, but starting up from a weakness still isn't a strong suit. I think a lot of the reason why Izzo takes so long to get going again, is that there's a severe lack of players trying to get to a spot where it's fairly safe to distribute the ball.
Look at the MV game, just about every time Izzo had the ball you'd have a Berisha and a Rojas sitting right in front of McGing & Faty, together with a severe lack of movement from the CBs, to try to get away from them... So without trying lane-1 Izzo would get sort of stuck until someone else would come back for it... For mine, it's all an extension of the issues we have with a complete lack of creativity in the middle... They know where to go and what to do when the ball is moving in the right areas, but there are still so many gaps in their understanding.
 
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Ancient Mariner

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Coach said:
AL, agree, we have developed many of these youngsters into aleague standard players with potential for more improvement. After doing the hard yards we need to keep them as we can't afford to replace them.
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We can't afford to keep them. And it is not the club's model. We will develop players, make use of them for a time, and then let them go overseas hopefully for a good sale and subsequent contract percentages.
If you have not heard that this is the Club's business model you have been under a rock.
Hopefully Trent will continue to develop and someone in Europe will buy his contract for millions and then in a couple of years time he will transfer to a big league club for multi millions.
No club in the A-league can hold on to youngsters who can further their development and their futures overseas.
Hopefully in the future it will happen but the A-League will have to be bigger than the AFL or the ARL before this will happen.
Enjoy them while you can.
And don't use Fitzy, Austin or Cameras as an argument. They left for different reasons. Mostly a poisonous atmosphere to which I suspect at least one of them contributed. Personally I think our wingers are better than Austin or Fitzy and Cameras was always a bludger.
Enjoy what we have while we have it.
 
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Coach

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nebakke said:
I think Izzo and Neill tend to have a similar problem with the distribution here - although Neill's is from the throw-ins... But you watch both of their mimicry when they are in a position to start movement again, they get frustrated because there's very little happening in-field to clear up some space to get the ball to someone... The boys have gotten much much better at moving for each other, but starting up from a weakness still isn't a strong suit. I think a lot of the reason why Izzo takes so long to get going again, is that there's a severe lack of players trying to get to a spot where it's fairly safe to distribute the ball.
Look at the MV game, just about every time Izzo had the ball you'd have a Berisha and a Rojas sitting right in front of McGing & Faty, together with a severe lack of movement from the CBs, to try to get away from them... So without trying lane-1 Izzo would get sort of stuck until someone else would come back for it... For mine, it's all an extension of the issues we have with a complete lack of creativity in the middle... They know where to go and what to do when the ball is moving in the right areas, but there are still so many gaps in their understanding.
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Superb post. You have very clearly identified our problem, great intent but zero creativity.
 
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Coach

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Ancient Mariner said:
We can't afford to keep them. And it is not the club's model. We will develop players, make use of them for a time, and then let them go overseas hopefully for a good sale and subsequent contract percentages.
If you have not heard that this is the Club's business model you have been under a rock.
Hopefully Trent will continue to develop and someone in Europe will buy his contract for millions and then in a couple of years time he will transfer to a big league club for multi millions.
No club in the A-league can hold on to youngsters who can further their development and their futures overseas.
Hopefully in the future it will happen but the A-League will have to be bigger than the AFL or the ARL before this will happen.
Enjoy them while you can.
And don't use Fitzy, Austin or Cameras as an argument. They left for different reasons. Mostly a poisonous atmosphere to which I suspect at least one of them contributed. Personally I think our wingers are better than Austin or Fitzy and Cameras was always a bludger.
Enjoy what we have while we have it.
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No, I understand and agree, it is our model. I'm talking about the $100-$150k guys, not the Trent's etc. By way of example say McGing, presumably he will become genuine first choice thanks to development at CCM, we would get nothing for selling him on as I doubt he will end up overseas. I should have made the distinction earlier.
 
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