Mariners Squad - HAL 11 - 2015/2016

[Forum Phoenix]

Difficult for a small club with an inexperienced coach to handle a big name too. More than ever would have to be the right fit personality wise.

Marinerssince2006... what do you disagree with? That big names are hard to handle? Or that the right fit is important? Fine for you to disagree with me, but baffled by what you're disagreeing to?

 

[Wombat]

Right. So the PFA and their Managers have come out and told the players side of the story? I haven't read that, please link me to that... Caceres manager has come out in the press because he needs to find a new club having been told he's up for sale. That's kinda his managers job.


Or are you talking about the PFA taking issue with the players being paid late / superannuation not being paid at all? How dare the players be upset for not getting paid, I know all of us would just suck it up in our respective work places...

People stating the players are actively seeking to get out of their contracts is so far off the mark its not funny. I'm not suggesting I know the ins and outs of the situation but I know that is completely false. In fact, the majority of the players are devastated by the news they're no longer wanted.

Anyway I'm fighting a losing battle, I think it's great people are so loyal to the club and will believe anything that's fed to them.

We don't believe ANYTHING we hear from CCM (Pikey MC & Storrie) but we believe what we see with our own eyes and that is two players that have been over indulged by a soft and cheapskate club.
Fitz can never be pulled up for his work effort, which is exceptional. He cops stick for his poor decision making and lack of composure. For me I'd keep him as a useful squad player and I don't think you can blame him for Tony playing him out of position at times.
Cacares, on the other hand, while probably our most technically gifted player, is such a frustrating young man. He achieves almost nothing, in possibly the 2nd most important posse on the pitch. His failure this season has a direct impact on our failure each week.
I've seen more grunt and desire in a Holden Captiva!! Having quick feet counts for little if your don't have the smarts to use them.
Clearly he is a nice fella but he needs to grow into a man and set an example......the best player (clearly Monty has smashed him for that mantle this season) needs to lead the team and MAKE THINGS HAPPEN like Gazza used to in a shit Newcastle team. You can only do this if your truly believe in yourself.
My 17yo came home yesterday after training for a few hours of MMA and asked if i fancied sparring 3 rounds with him. (I didn't really but could see he was keen)
Ive always had an over-inflated opinion of my ability to hold my hands up and was given a good lesson in actual ability and OUTPUT versus reality.
Like Caceras I failed the acid test.
Hopefully Cac has the humility and wisdom to see where he is going wrong and take his game to the next level.

 

[Big Al]

A-League transfer news: Mariners circle two strikers
Thursday, 7 January 2016 -Aidan Ormond @AidotheFFAEd

“Negotiations are underway with overseas players internationally and domestically. There will be signings in the front third," Walmsley told reporters on Thursday.

"I’m hopeful of at least two signings in the front third in the next week.

“We get bombarded in January with opportunities... some exciting potential but I don’t want to speculate too much.”

http://www.a-league.com.au/article/...ley-eyeing-strikers/x432vuolqsj31rbsqmqlzqpv1

Does anyone else read that as overseas players playing o/s or here domestically?

Are we in line to pick up a current visa player e.g. Perth need to drop an o/s player to fit in their Irishman or do SFC need to offload to fit in new players? Just please not be Piovarcari from WSW.
Or do you read it as domestic strikers?

 

[nebakke]

Does anyone else read that as overseas players playing o/s or here domestically?

Are we in line to pick up a current visa player e.g. Perth need to drop an o/s player to fit in their Irishman or do SFC need to offload to fit in new players? Just please not be Piovarcari from WSW.
Or do you read it as domestic strikers?

On the YA podcast MC specifically said that they were looking for "one or two experienced players" (bear in mind that this predates most of the articles).
When questioned me closely about it he said that when he said "experienced" he didn't mean NPL or a semi-pro league and that they were actively engaged in talks.
He puts a lot in TW hands I think, but he sounded pretty confident that there was at least one experienced player to come out of it... It sounded to me like they're looking overseas.
He also made a pretty big deal of acknowledging that we need those experienced players to help the boys mature.
It left me with the feeling that Bosnar and Reddy genuinely took them by surprise - in the sense that I think they'd hoped that they'd provide some of that experience.
One can question the quality of that judgment I suppose ;-)

 

[marinersince2006]

Marinerssince2006... what do you disagree with? That big names are hard to handle? Or that the right fit is important? Find for you to disagree with me, but baffled by what you're disagreeing to?

Evening Forum Pheonix,
I think that TW and coaching team can handle a big name. Disagreeing that our football dept couldn't handle say.......a new berisha and a new Broich....if they were they were recruited.

Maybe recruiting big names has not worked so well with us. Eg JO.

We don't have an owner who forces players on club/team. Like Jets!

Right fit with our young core......agree with you.I would love to know what Ange recruitment strategy was based on and who helped him/supported him with the way he turned Roar around.It seems like some teams use Visa spots very differently. Maybe right fit is also major about luck and timing.

 

[marinersince2006]

On the YA podcast MC specifically said that they were looking for "one or two experienced players" (bear in mind that this predates most of the articles).
When questioned me closely about it he said that when he said "experienced" he didn't mean NPL or a semi-pro league and that they were actively engaged in talks.
He puts a lot in TW hands I think, but he sounded pretty confident that there was at least one experienced player to come out of it... It sounded to me like they're looking overseas.
He also made a pretty big deal of acknowledging that we need those experienced players to help the boys mature.
It left me with the feeling that Bosnar and Reddy genuinely took them by surprise - in the sense that I think they'd hoped that they'd provide some of that experience.
One can question the quality of that judgment I suppose ;-)

Impression from MC on podcast.
Thought international 25/29year olds....experienced battle hardened recruits who were leaders.
Was surprised he was so forthright admitting what part of our squad problems were.....and that it was close to being addressed.

Peter Storrie....with recruits you would think he would be able,to advise TW and coaching team ......this is where he has serious knowledge from Hammers/Pompey international recruits/scouting....and should have serious contacts in Europe that we don't have. This is where he should be earning his fee.....what do you think his fees are?....It was the main reason I thought MC hired him.....recruitment of visa players.

We have a shocking recent record of visa player recruitment.

I was really impressed with MC on podcast.May be in the minority but we are pretty fortunate to have him right now. Pretty clear he has made some huge mistakes since taking over ........but strategically he has got it right....in 10'years time we will still be on CC.

 

[Forum Phoenix]

Evening Forum Pheonix,
I think that TW and coaching team can handle a big name. Disagreeing that our football dept couldn't handle say.......a new berisha and a new Broich....if they were they were recruited.

Maybe recruiting big names has not worked so well with us. Eg JO.

We don't have an owner who forces players on club/team. Like Jets!

Right fit with our young core......agree with you.I would love to know what Ange recruitment strategy was based on and who helped him/supported him with the way he turned Roar around.It seems like some teams use Visa spots very differently. Maybe right fit is also major about luck and timing.

Ok gotcha. I wasn't saying they "couldn't" just rather that big names and personalities are hard to handle even for established coaches. I'm sure they could handle a Broich etc,,, was think more like a Del Piero or Fowler etc.

I think Anges time with the Aus youth set up clearly put him in a good spot when it came time to recruiting and a bit like Lawrie mentioned in his AMA the other day on recruiting, about how his links helped him find players like Bernie and Matty Ryan and how you just have to get down to games and put in the hard yards yourself.

MC has made some mistakes, but if we can fix the balance of having a strong squad and breaking even - home games and for sale games (which there now seems) clear commitment to staying on the coast - which I now believe there is... then yeah. I'm with you, grateful for the bail out, optimistic about becoming financially viable, and think we could do a lot worse.

 

[Forum Phoenix]

http://outside90.com/walmsley-aware-dialogue-cfg-143/

Despite the transfer talk, Walmsley did not rule out a return to the first team for Caceres after he was dropped for the Mariners’ New Year’s Day win over Wellington Phoenix and admitted he would be sad to see the 23-year-old depart.

“There’s always a chance (of a return). Whenever contracted players are putting in 100% here, they’ve brought into the division, then they’re always a chance.

“Of course (I’d be sad to see him go). I brought Cac to the club. He came as a youth player and I saw his potential there.”

Walmsley says Caceres has not been at his best in the Mariners’ recent turbulent period having given him the “keys to the kingdom”.

“He hasn’t been at his best of late, I don’t know what happens outside of these walls … we gave him the keys to the kingdom.

“He’s had a platform to grow as a person and as a player and he’s attracted the interest of some fairly serious suitors out there.

“The saddest thing was that he didn’t stay around to finish his contract and see out his potential here if he does go.

“I’m sure whatever deal is struck will be in the club’s best interests.”

Seems like Tony has said it all. Interested to get your thoughts on this Bell?

 

[Rowdy]

Maybe recruiting big names has not worked so well with us. Eg JO.

JO ???

 

[scoober]

JO ???

Jamie Oliver

 

[FFC Mariner]

JA?

Thought that worked quite well if you mean Aloi$i

 

[radar]

Does anyone else read that as overseas players playing o/s or here domestically?

Are we in line to pick up a current visa player e.g. Perth need to drop an o/s player to fit in their Irishman or do SFC need to offload to fit in new players? Just please not be Piovarcari from WSW.
Or do you read it as domestic strikers?

sounds to me like it's visa players, one of whom is currently here in Australia already. Letting Heff go would clear up a spot so that makes sense.

 

[Gratis]

"I can confirm we have been approached by Manchester City about a potential move and we are in discussions," Caceres' manager, Tony Rallis told Fox Sports.

"We also understand that Mike Charlesworth, the Mariners chairman, has agreed a fee with City.

"However we need to ascertain what the long-term future would hold for Anthony in this situation, and where all parties see him ending up. Making decisions based on romance or short-term financial considerations is in nobody's interest."
http://www.espnfc.com/story/2781782/manchester-city-make-move-for-mariners-anthony-caceres

 

[FFC Mariner]

"Making decisions based on romance or short-term financial considerations is in nobody's interest."

From the same agent who has been whoring his client to all and sundry?

GET IN THE f**kING SEA

 

[adz]

Haha. Sounds like the manager wants him to be playing first team football at Manchester City. Or something.
Even if he ends up washing the team bus you would think the club name on his resume would only be a good thing for his future.

 

[Bell]

We don't believe ANYTHING we hear from CCM (Pikey MC & Storrie) but we believe what we see with our own eyes and that is two players that have been over indulged by a soft and cheapskate club.
Fitz can never be pulled up for his work effort, which is exceptional. He cops stick for his poor decision making and lack of composure. For me I'd keep him as a useful squad player and I don't think you can blame him for Tony playing him out of position at times.
Cacares, on the other hand, while probably our most technically gifted player, is such a frustrating young man. He achieves almost nothing, in possibly the 2nd most important posse on the pitch. His failure this season has a direct impact on our failure each week.
I've seen more grunt and desire in a Holden Captiva!! Having quick feet counts for little if your don't have the smarts to use them.
Clearly he is a nice fella but he needs to grow into a man and set an example......the best player (clearly Monty has smashed him for that mantle this season) needs to lead the team and MAKE THINGS HAPPEN like Gazza used to in a shit Newcastle team. You can only do this if your truly believe in yourself.
My 17yo came home yesterday after training for a few hours of MMA and asked if i fancied sparring 3 rounds with him. (I didn't really but could see he was keen)
Ive always had an over-inflated opinion of my ability to hold my hands up and was given a good lesson in actual ability and OUTPUT versus reality.
Like Caceras I failed the acid test.
Hopefully Cac has the humility and wisdom to see where he is going wrong and take his game to the next level.

I think that's my major issue with what the club has done (and the whole pea heart FC crap from some forumers) thus far, dragging the guys names through the dirt by harping on about attitude etc, when from what I've seen on the field Sim and Fitzys workrate/attitude can't be questioned. Ability aside, neither have ever intentionally let the side down. Caceres is a arguable one but I personally don't believe he hasn't given 100% when wearing the shirt. He just loses confidence quickly. At the end of the day they're young kids and I'd hate to think this will impact on their future career opportunities.

 

[Gratis]

I think that's my major issue with what the club has done (and the whole pea heart FC crap from some forumers) thus far, dragging the guys names through the dirt by harping on about attitude etc, when from what I've seen on the field Sim and Fitzys workrate/attitude can't be questioned. Ability aside, neither have ever intentionally let the side down. Caceres is a arguable one but I personally don't believe he hasn't given 100% when wearing the shirt. He just loses confidence quickly. At the end of the day they're young kids and I'd hate to think this will impact on their future career opportunities.

I've got all the time in the world for Fitzy and Heff and have said so numerous times. It's a shame for both them and us, they could have done nothing more and I thank them for their efforts. I have not seen a word from the club dragging their names through the mud.

Once Caceres' manager started publicly talking about wanting a free release so he can go to Sydfc that annoyed me. He's not performed despite his good technical control and yet has been given 10x as many 1st team starts as any other club would have given him. To then want a freebie to go to one of our biggest rivals who constantly use their money to poach our success in the way of players and coaching staff - well it's disrespectful, shows no respect or faith for the club who did everything they could for you and is downright rude.
Thanks for everything and don't let the door hit you on the way out.
Despite all this - again I have not seen a word from the club dragging his name through the mud. There was talk of a 'lack of effort' in midfield - which fans have been talking about for weeks and weeks - but no names mentioned. This is entirely fair and what all coaches in every club does if players consistently don't perform.

 

[dibo]

I think that's my major issue with what the club has done (and the whole pea heart FC crap from some forumers) thus far, dragging the guys names through the dirt by harping on about attitude etc, when from what I've seen on the field Sim and Fitzys workrate/attitude can't be questioned. Ability aside, neither have ever intentionally let the side down. Caceres is a arguable one but I personally don't believe he hasn't given 100% when wearing the shirt. He just loses confidence quickly. At the end of the day they're young kids and I'd hate to think this will impact on their future career opportunities.

When he ignores a teammate's run and takes on three blokes, loses the ball and then doesn't track back, leaving his defence overloaded, I think he's letting the side down. And that has happened a bit.

If he winds up being unable to tie up a move, he's gotta come in, train his arse off and demand his place in the squad. He's still got 18mths on his contract; if he kicks arse for the remainder of this season he could still engineer a good move in the off-season.

 

[FFC Mariner]

Correction: Peaheart FC was a twitter thing coined by people who went to watch the dumped seniors in NYL.

 

[style_cafe]

For mine I like Caceres.
I think he gives us 100% every game, however, he does have huge fluctuations in his biorhythms.
I don`t think the problem is with him wanting to go, it`s more like his management have had offers & are looking for their slice of the transfer.